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Post by melbella on Dec 4, 2018 20:21:02 GMT
In January, I reported that BioWare pushed aside Dragon Age to focus on Anthem. The studio started pre-production on a new Dragon Age, but EA threw out most of that work. At that time, the publisher was shifting its games to live services. That Dragon Age project wasn’t going to fit into that business model. As a result of that reboot, Dragon Age writer Mike Laidlaw — who had an outline prepared for the new game — left BioWare. This is the part that's most frustrating, if true. Not loot-boxy enough for them, I guess?
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 4, 2018 20:23:53 GMT
In January, I reported that BioWare pushed aside Dragon Age to focus on Anthem. The studio started pre-production on a new Dragon Age, but EA threw out most of that work. At that time, the publisher was shifting its games to live services. That Dragon Age project wasn’t going to fit into that business model. As a result of that reboot, Dragon Age writer Mike Laidlaw — who had an outline prepared for the new game — left BioWare. This is the part that's most frustrating, if true. Not loot-boxy enough for them, I guess? That’s the part I doubt most honestly. A 2-3 year timeline seems reasonable, but this seems to be rumors.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 20:24:40 GMT
In January, I reported that BioWare pushed aside Dragon Age to focus on Anthem. The studio started pre-production on a new Dragon Age, but EA threw out most of that work. At that time, the publisher was shifting its games to live services. That Dragon Age project wasn’t going to fit into that business model. As a result of that reboot, Dragon Age writer Mike Laidlaw — who had an outline prepared for the new game — left BioWare. This is the part that's most frustrating, if true. Not loot-boxy enough for them, I guess? Anthem won't have loot boxes so there's no reason to assume DA will have. Also, we did have a response from Casey about that specific rumor, and he explained that the live services they're implementing are story-related.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 20:26:38 GMT
While I don’t expect too much from this week in terms of what they’ll show, and I do think there’s good chances DA4 will be released at least in 2020, the article doesn’t sound too trustworthy. No software house decides the name of a game a week before they announce it, just for the sake of announcing. My biggest fear is in any case the live service bit, regardless if the article is accurate or not, because a DA Anthem-style would certainly means I won’t buy it. Yea, I also found it weird when some of the news outlets said that the title would be... tentative? (so is the purported release window). Were there many games announced that had placeholder titles (aside from number in the series), or names that were changed during the production after the game was officially announced? Lol... it'd be funny though... "Ladies and gents we announce DRAGON AGE: PLACEHOLDER TITLE!"
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Post by melbella on Dec 4, 2018 20:32:57 GMT
we did have a response from Casey about that specific rumor, and he explained that the live services they're implementing are story-related. Yes, of course. Which is where the reboot comes in? I'm just not buying it. If they aren't doing anything different than before, there would be no reason to reboot anything.
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Post by Serza on Dec 4, 2018 20:34:18 GMT
TRUST IN OUR HAHREN, MY FELLOW ELVES.
AND MAY THE DREAD WOLF TAKE THE NAYSAYERS.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 20:37:07 GMT
we did have a response from Casey about that specific rumor, and he explained that the live services they're implementing are story-related. Yes, of course. Which is where the reboot comes in? I'm just not buying it. If they aren't doing anything different than before, there would be no reason to reboot anything. Well, was DAI's extended development a reboot or no? They've added all the playable races and a few romances at that time and that's a significant change that required more work from grounds up.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 4, 2018 20:39:33 GMT
Yep. Before Trespasser I thought we were pretty much done with Inquisitor. That either they're going to be eliminated, vanished somewhere or we're moving far enough for them to be an echo in the background - but nope. Trespasser kinda made it clear that they're there to stay and, apparently - and I quote Inky - save the world... again. Strangely enough, I thought Tresspasser was far more of a conclusion than the base game ended.
Yeah, Inky's still leading, but from the shadows. The world at large isn't supposed to know the Inquisitor is active at all (My own Inquisitor even said to the Divine and the Ferelden & Orlesian representatives "my adventuring days are over")
And so I strongly believe that the Inquisitor will not be wielding a sword, bow, or staff in the future, but will be deploying agents, directing other adventurers to missions that further the goal of foiling Solas's plans.
And so the Inquisitor will, I think, go from Authority Equals Asskicking to Guile Hero
I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as I get to play he Guile Hero segments. lol I just want to control my Lavellan. She doesn't have to be in combat (at least not all the time). It could actually be interesting playing the hero who covertly discovers some intel or something and then decides what objectives to give the other hero, then deciding as that hero how to go abotu accomplishing them. It has potential to be bad if they change gameplay too much btwn protagonists and make one side too tedious, but it could also be done well, ie Geralt and Ciri.
Could also easily be a guile hero who is out and about in the open world b/c, 1) its Tevinter and not everyone is gonna know the former inquisitor on sight so you can still stay low profile when you wish, and 2) prosthetic are a possible thing, so combat isn't off the table.
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Post by melbella on Dec 4, 2018 20:41:30 GMT
Well, was DAI's extended development a reboot or no? Are you being dense on purpose? Of course not. Now, if they'd tossed out everything they'd done up to that point and *replaced it with* what they did afterwards, then, yes, it would have been.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 4, 2018 20:43:21 GMT
Strangely enough, I thought Tresspasser was far more of a conclusion than the base game ended.
Yeah, Inky's still leading, but from the shadows. The world at large isn't supposed to know the Inquisitor is active at all (My own Inquisitor even said to the Divine and the Ferelden & Orlesian representatives "my adventuring days are over")
And so I strongly believe that the Inquisitor will not be wielding a sword, bow, or staff in the future, but will be deploying agents, directing other adventurers to missions that further the goal of foiling Solas's plans.
And so the Inquisitor will, I think, go from Authority Equals Asskicking to Guile Hero
I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as I get to play he Guile Hero segments. lol I just want to control my Lavellan. She doesn't have to be in combat (at least not all the time). It could actually be interesting playing the hero who covertly discovers some intel or something and then decides what objectives to give the other hero, then deciding as that hero how to go abotu accomplishing them. It has potential to be bad if they change gameplay too much btwn protagonists and make one side too tedious, but it could also be done well, ie Geralt and Ciri.
Could also easily be a guile hero who is out and about in the open world b/c, 1) its Tevinter and not everyone is gonna know the former inquisitor on sight so you can still stay low profile when you wish, and 2) prosthetic are a possible thing, so combat isn't off the table.
I suspect paying four more VA for a major role (the Inquisitor) would be hella expensive.
I'm actually surprised we got four voices for the Inquisitor in DAI!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 4, 2018 20:46:55 GMT
In January, I reported that BioWare pushed aside Dragon Age to focus on Anthem. The studio started pre-production on a new Dragon Age, but EA threw out most of that work. At that time, the publisher was shifting its games to live services. That Dragon Age project wasn’t going to fit into that business model. As a result of that reboot, Dragon Age writer Mike Laidlaw — who had an outline prepared for the new game — left BioWare.
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Does the timeline of things actually back this claim up?
Also, did they mean Gaider? Cus Mike was in on the creative stuff to a degree, obviously, but he wasn't a writer or in charge of outlines. Right?
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 4, 2018 20:48:02 GMT
If any of this turns out to be true I will never forgive EA, and I've been very forgiving up to this point. Don't even *dare* ruin Dragon Age with some stupid Micro transactions or no single-player!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2018 20:49:09 GMT
1) its Tevinter and not everyone is gonna know the former inquisitor on sight so you can still stay low profile when you wish Yeah. After all even many of the nobles in Orlais didn’t even know what race you were until you arrived at the Winter Palace and that was after months of being very high profile and at least weeks of operating in Orlais directly.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2018 20:50:36 GMT
In January, I reported that BioWare pushed aside Dragon Age to focus on Anthem. The studio started pre-production on a new Dragon Age, but EA threw out most of that work. At that time, the publisher was shifting its games to live services. That Dragon Age project wasn’t going to fit into that business model. As a result of that reboot, Dragon Age writer Mike Laidlaw — who had an outline prepared for the new game — left BioWare.
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Does the timeline of things actually back this claim up?
Also, did they mean Gaider? Cus Mike was in on the creative stuff to a degree, I'm sure, but he wasn't a writer or in charge of outlines. Right?
As a game director, Laidlaw wasn’t a writer but was above then and in chargeback of the whole project. In pre-production the game designer works with the lead writer for the story concept, or so Gaider stated in his blog. Though it seems he left the reins from Trespasser already.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 20:50:52 GMT
Well, was DAI's extended development a reboot or no? Are you being dense on purpose? Of course not. Now, if they'd tossed out everything they'd done up to that point and *replaced it with* what they did afterwards, then, yes, it would have been. The dense thing would be assuming that "they tossed out everything they'd done up to that point and *replaced it with* what they did afterwards" or "they want to add loot-boxes" is what actually happened - but all we have are rumors, conjecture and one journalist that used the word 'reboot' once to describe something he himself admitted wasn't that sure about. For all we know they may as well be re-configuring stuff in similar way they did during DAI's extended development - adding story elements that they can expand post-launch, now that Dragon Age will be more live-servicey, which is basically what Bioware's current GM said has happened.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 4, 2018 20:52:48 GMT
how much water do you guys think that article holds? the stuff about sources close to the studio, the time length, stuff about the WHY of Laidlaw leaving and comments about "what darrah and hudson want" (passion wise) etc? theres a similar article here that seems based on that one : www.pcgamesn.com/dragon-age-4/dragon-age-4-game-awards sorry on mobile legit or just writers spitballing/guessing or makin stuff up? My guess? Patch-worked article from press releases, podcasts, blog updates, and some people "loosely" connected to the studio, if that. My guy tells me it's 2 years away...fall release with new consoles. And my guy (who is a girl. And invisible.) tells me its being released in two weeks. I really should go into video game journalism, apparently.
lol I think I'm gonna wait and see the announcement. It may just give us a "When its ready." ala Cyberpunk. Who knows.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 20:55:04 GMT
Does the timeline of things actually back this claim up?
Also, did they mean Gaider? Cus Mike was in on the creative stuff to a degree, I'm sure, but he wasn't a writer or in charge of outlines. Right?
As a game director, Laidlaw wasn’t a writer but was above then and in chargeback of the whole project. In pre-production the game designer works with the lead writer for the story concept, or so Gaider stated in his blog. Though it seems he left the reins from Trespasser already. Yea, but we also know from Mike Laidlaw himself that he didn't leave because they scrapped his DA plans or something, but because he saw the slow-down as an opportunity to do something he's been considering for a while then (also - we have recently been discussing that he left Trespasser in hands of other leads because he was already gearing for the exit... and that was a while before he left).
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 4, 2018 20:55:52 GMT
seems relevant lol
AnaisAndStuff @anaisandstuff Man, if I die before this game is out, I am haunting bioware,
pens will mysteriously disappear. Saved files will move. The printer will be out of ink... until someone else uses it. Your PC will break, and after you try everything and call the tech. Suddenly it'll work.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 4, 2018 20:56:01 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderHappy #dragon4geday, everyone! I’ve always been annoyed at the whole N7 brilliance, so if it means Dragon Age gets a day I’ll overlook the “let’s turn the A into a 4” thing. 😉 ALIX WILTON REGAN @alixwiltonreganDAVID! Come chat to us! @kessel_run and I are on at 6pm EST or 11pm UK time (also I may be a little blue and distracted with all this Brexshit nonsense. Would be just FAB if you could do the talking!) David Gaider @davidgaiderErr... chat to you where, exactly? Is there a chat? Mae/Kessel Runs @kessel_runShe's talking about our "D4" celebration, Q&A and charity livestream tonight on my Twitch channel. David Gaider @davidgaiderAha! I might pop by then. 😀 [HASH]DAT
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2018 20:59:47 GMT
As a game director, Laidlaw wasn’t a writer but was above then and in chargeback of the whole project. In pre-production the game designer works with the lead writer for the story concept, or so Gaider stated in his blog. Though it seems he left the reins from Trespasser already. Yea, but we also know from Mike Laidlaw himself that didn't leave because they scrapped his DA plans or something, but because he saw the slow-down as an opportunity to do something he's been considering for a while then (also - we have recently been discussing that he left Trespasser in hands of other leads because he was already gearing for the exit... and that was a while before he left). My post was more about explaining his role then on its relevance to the article, though I agree with what you said.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 4, 2018 21:05:36 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderHappy #dragon4geday, everyone! I’ve always been annoyed at the whole N7 brilliance, so if it means Dragon Age gets a day I’ll overlook the “let’s turn the A into a 4” thing. 😉 ALIX WILTON REGAN @alixwiltonreganDAVID! Come chat to us! @kessel_run and I are on at 6pm EST or 11pm UK time (also I may be a little blue and distracted with all this Brexshit nonsense. Would be just FAB if you could do the talking!) David Gaider @davidgaiderErr... chat to you where, exactly? Is there a chat? Mae/Kessel Runs @kessel_runShe's talking about our "D4" celebration, Q&A and charity livestream tonight on my Twitch channel. David Gaider @davidgaiderAha! I might pop by then. 😀 Welp, I can see I won't like Alix's politics. lol But good to see they're embracing Dragon Age day.
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Post by Serza on Dec 4, 2018 21:14:21 GMT
Politics are shit.
But it seems me and you would agree on some things.
I try to ignore them, because these days, all that stuff about equality and discrimination is part of them. I wish it were like a few years back...
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 4, 2018 21:32:17 GMT
Nice to see so much interest in Dragon Age (moving on)
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 21:54:07 GMT
Just in time!
John Epler @eplerjc Happy Dragon Age day to our wonderful fans. Here's to many more.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 23:24:33 GMT
how much water do you guys think that article holds? the stuff about sources close to the studio, the time length, stuff about the WHY of Laidlaw leaving and comments about "what darrah and hudson want" (passion wise) etc? theres a similar article here that seems based on that one : www.pcgamesn.com/dragon-age-4/dragon-age-4-game-awards sorry on mobile legit or just writers spitballing/guessing or makin stuff up? As I mentioned in the other thread, if it happens to be way off-base, I'm sure we'll hear from BW about it. Especially since the major gaming sites are running with it now. Or - IF we indeed will get something juicy on the Game Awards concerning DA4 - all they need to do is just air the announcement trailer at it with name and year Only 2 days from now... will likely feel like forever.
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