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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 23:53:48 GMT
yikes, guys. It's the Twitter Thread and that conversation is obviously not heading anywhere conducive to discussion. AlleluiaElizabeth arcanistranger This is what PRivate Message is made for pretty please?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 7, 2018 23:55:52 GMT
When people say “keep the politics out of gaming” they mean no people of color because “they didn’t have black people in medieval times”, keep all the women subservient and big breasted with long hair and skimpy armor, and definitely, absolutely, no homosexuals ever. 😂 that’s not what I mean if/when I say it. Though I wasn’t the one who bugged epler with the request and haven’t seen any reason in his previous work to be worried about the messaging of it. I’m also capable of ignoring politics I disagree with if they’re pushed on me if it’s not an integral part of the experience. *shrug* Or you know, I come in here and argue about it. lol I'd just like it if they kept preachy one-sided politics out the story and concentrate on a good, entertaining, story. And they do, for the most part. Same. Sorry phoray. I’m on phone or else I’d have edited that all into one reaponse post. I’ll stop now.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 8, 2018 0:06:43 GMT
You realize there are gay, trans, and cross dressers in the Witcher series, as well as other social outcast types, and Geralt is *friends* with them right? Hell his adopted daughter is canonically bi. I realize how all of those characters are treated and depicted in the story. And I'm sure you realize what Witcher fans think of all of those characters.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 8, 2018 0:16:12 GMT
You realize there are gay, trans, and cross dressers in the Witcher series, as well as other social outcast types, and Geralt is *friends* with them right? Hell his adopted daughter is canonically bi. I realize how all of those characters are treated and depicted in the story. And I'm sure you realize what Witcher fans think of all of those characters. PM me, dude. Tweet tweet.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 8, 2018 1:04:47 GMT
You realize there are gay, trans, and cross dressers in the Witcher series, as well as other social outcast types, and Geralt is *friends* with them right? Hell his adopted daughter is canonically bi. I realize how all of those characters are treated and depicted in the story. And I'm sure you realize what Witcher fans think of all of those characters. I have no idea what Witcher fans think, TBH.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 8, 2018 1:07:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure that line belonged to one of the Y-wing jocks, not Porkins.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 8, 2018 1:41:12 GMT
Lol David Gaider is incapable of saying anything nice without hiding an insult in there somewhere. Yeah, well... I guess it's easy to say when we're not on receiving end of hate and complaints being thrown at us whenever we show up somewhere we're recognized, sometimes on daily basis. Yesterday must've felt pretty good to be part/former part of DA team, but we know that things aren't always so nice. What bothers me is that Gaider has a tendency to treat the Bioware fandom as if we're (still) a toxic cesspool that needs to be bulldozed over, buried in concrete and shot into the sun.
I completely get that after DA2 and ME3 the forums weren't a fun place to be (for fans or devs) and it must have sucked to be on the receiving end of such negativity... but both this and the "Bye Felicia" tweet when the old BSN got shutdown doesn't really help matters.
The fandom is sorry that we got a little crazy for a while, but it's been over six years, could he please let it go already?
By all means, he can be upset at the part of the fandom who may have been horrendous to him and his former colleagues in the past, but he shouldn't tar the rest of us with the same brush. Because by throwing out these types of passive-aggressive comments about the fandom, he's basically treating us no differently than the very people who were awful to him.
I have nothing but respect for Gaider and his work, but these mean-spirited tweets really irk me.
But mostly they just leave me a little sad that even after all this time, this idea that we're a toxic community still seems to persist and perhaps that's why the majority of devs aren't willing to interact with us as much as they once did.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 8, 2018 1:49:22 GMT
I don't really mind Gaider's snark, tbh. This is the man that gave us Morrigan and Fenris and Dorian. Sometimes the words are a lil cutting or insensitive but really that's just Gaider Gaidering and fandoms can be hellish so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 8, 2018 1:50:24 GMT
Yeah, well... I guess it's easy to say when we're not on receiving end of hate and complaints being thrown at us whenever we show up somewhere we're recognized, sometimes on daily basis. Yesterday must've felt pretty good to be part/former part of DA team, but we know that things aren't always so nice. What bothers me is that Gaider has a tendency to treat the Bioware fandom as if we're (still) a toxic cesspool that needs to be bulldozed over, buried in concrete and shot into the sun.
I completely get that after DA2 and ME3 the forums weren't a fun place to be (for fans or devs) and it must have sucked to be on the receiving end of such negativity... but both this and the "Bye Felicia" tweet when the old BSN got shutdown doesn't really help matters.
The fandom is sorry that we got a little crazy for a while, but it's been over six years, could he please let it go already?
By all means, he can be upset at the part of the fandom who may have been horrendous to him and his former colleagues in the past, but he shouldn't tar the rest of us with the same brush. Because by throwing out these types of passive-aggressive comments about the fandom, he's basically treating us no differently than the very people who were awful to him.
I have nothing but respect for Gaider and his work, but these mean-spirited tweets really irk me.
But mostly they just leave me a little sad that even after all this time, this idea that we're a toxic community still seems to persist and perhaps that's why the majority of devs aren't willing to interact with us as much as they once did. I don't think Gaider's perception of fandom is fixated on what happened to him some time ago on forum. Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, including dragging out a tweet from 2 years back. One could think it's not much, but I don't think many of us deal with such things with any regularity.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 8, 2018 2:02:16 GMT
I don't really mind Gaider's snark, tbh. This is the man that gave us Morrigan and Fenris and Dorian. Sometimes the words are a lil cutting or insensitive but really that's just Gaider Gaidering and fandoms can be hellish so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Good point, he does tend to be as snarky as the characters he writes.
I didn't mean to suggest that creators/devs shouldn't be free to take the piss out of their fandoms/communties at times (especially if they deserve it), but sometimes it's hard to gauge whether Gaider's snark is meant as good-humoured ribbing or as meanspirited jab towards us? I hope it's the former and I'm simply misreading him, but sometimes it can come across more like the latter?
Still, it would be nice to see him frequent the community again, even though he's no longer a Bioware dev.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 8, 2018 2:07:43 GMT
I don't think Gaider's perception of fandom is fixated on what happened to him some time ago on forum. Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, including dragging out a tweet from 2 years back. One could think it's not much, but I don't think many of us deal with such things with any regularity. Ugh, well that's not good at all. No wonder he can't seemingly shake that negative view of our fandom if that's the majority of interaction he gets with us, people being arseholes on Twitter (as usual). Wasn't that the same reason he deactivated his Tumblr a few years back?
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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 2:13:31 GMT
I have nothing but respect for Gaider and his work, but these mean-spirited tweets really irk me They're part of the problem, and show that the toxicity goes both ways.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 2:14:49 GMT
I don't really mind Gaider's snark, tbh. This is the man that gave us Morrigan and Fenris and Dorian. Sometimes the words are a lil cutting or insensitive but really that's just Gaider Gaidering and fandoms can be hellish so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Being a creative genius and being an *sshole are not mutually exclusive characteristics
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Post by melbella on Dec 8, 2018 2:17:37 GMT
Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, There's a cure for that - drop Twitter. Problem solved. Ah, but then there would be no forum for the snark. So guess what? Take the bad with the good or do without.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 8, 2018 2:23:24 GMT
Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, There's a cure for that - drop Twitter. Problem solved. Ah, but then there would be no forum for the snark. So guess what? Take the bad with the good or do without. That's like saying that if somebody doesn't like Internet they just shouldn't use the Internet. I don't think it's that easy, isn't it?
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Post by doggiesnores on Dec 8, 2018 2:24:22 GMT
I don't think Gaider's perception of fandom is fixated on what happened to him some time ago on forum. Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, including dragging out a tweet from 2 years back. One could think it's not much, but I don't think many of us deal with such things with any regularity. Ugh, well that's not good at all. No wonder he can't seemingly shake that negative view of our fandom if that's the majority of interaction he gets with us, people being arseholes on Twitter (as usual). Wasn't that the same reason he deactivated his Tumblr a few years back? yep. it was a travesty....i can still remember a particular user who was an absolute cu*t to him and was proud of being a self proclaimed "social justice warrior"
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Post by melbella on Dec 8, 2018 2:30:24 GMT
That's like saying that if somebody doesn't like Internet they just shouldn't use the Internet. I don't think it's that easy, isn't it? Not really, no, since the internet encompasses much more than just Twitter. Twitter is ONE forum for communication. There are others. If I don't like a forum, I don't use it. It's pretty easy.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 8, 2018 2:34:05 GMT
I don't think Gaider's perception of fandom is fixated on what happened to him some time ago on forum. Only a few days before I saw people being really unpleasant to him on his Twitter over something Dragon Age-related, including dragging out a tweet from 2 years back. One could think it's not much, but I don't think many of us deal with such things with any regularity. Ugh, well that's not good at all. No wonder he can't seemingly shake that negative view of our fandom if that's the majority of interaction he gets with us, people being arseholes on Twitter (as usual). Wasn't that the same reason he deactivated his Tumblr a few years back? I think that was the reason. Anyway - Gaider is snarky, but still seems like a reasonable fellow. I'm also fairly sure that I saw him say once or twice that he knows that most of the unpleasantness comes from a small but vocal minority - it's just that these things keep piling up and our inherent negativity bias doesn't help :/ and people have different ways of coping with that. Gaider's appears to be through being a tad more brusque.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 8, 2018 2:34:19 GMT
I don't really mind Gaider's snark, tbh. This is the man that gave us Morrigan and Fenris and Dorian. Sometimes the words are a lil cutting or insensitive but really that's just Gaider Gaidering and fandoms can be hellish so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Being a creative genius and being an *sshole are not mutually exclusive characteristics I'm saying he writes characters with sharp tongues, so it doesn't surprise me when he lets his snark flag fly.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 8, 2018 2:37:59 GMT
That's like saying that if somebody doesn't like Internet they just shouldn't use the Internet. I don't think it's that easy, isn't it? Not really, no, since the internet encompasses much more than just Twitter. Twitter is ONE forum for communication. There are others. If I don't like a forum, I don't use it. It's pretty easy.
Twitter is one of the LARGEST forums for communications, you forgot to mention. It's not comparable to a single forum. So no, it's not easy. I don't like Facebook, but I still have an account because there are people I want/have to keep in contact with who are only available on Facebook.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 8, 2018 2:50:06 GMT
Being a creative genius and being an *sshole are not mutually exclusive characteristics I'm saying he writes characters with sharp tongues, so it doesn't surprise me when he lets his snark flag fly. He does, but he has also written less snarky characters: Aerie, Valgyar, Aribeth, Deekin, Carth, Justice, Meredith, Orsino...
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Post by melbella on Dec 8, 2018 2:51:26 GMT
Deekin (he is a bit snarky though)
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Post by phoray on Dec 8, 2018 2:55:24 GMT
Deekin (he is a bit snarky though) hmmm *does a search* OH. Before my time.
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Post by melbella on Dec 8, 2018 3:00:30 GMT
I don't like Facebook, but I still have an account because there are people I want/have to keep in contact with who are only available on Facebook. But do you spend time on Facebook wallowing in all the annoying/mean/hateful/stupid things people say that piss you off? Probably not, unless I'm giving you too much credit? It's a tool; it doesn't need to be a lifestyle. There are way more important things in life than what dumbasses on the interwebs say.
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