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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 11, 2018 1:26:45 GMT
IGN @ignWe pore over everything in that mysterious Dragon Age 4 teaser, and break down who the Dread Wolf is: go.ign.com/nyZHqPm Really... IGN? I Yeah... Like, the idol is of Andraste? Pretty sure its too old for that. And there are 11 elven gods? I mean... I understand forgetting Fen'harel (Most people do, afterall), but who are the other 2 we forgot, I wonder? lol
And Solas' goal in giving the orb to Cory being to wake the Evanuris...
I'm glad they're into it, at least. Even if the article has holes. Press is press.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 11, 2018 1:29:56 GMT
Robert B. Warren @robertbwarren1 Loved DAO & DA2. But I didn't get a sense of home in DA:I, as there were no effective points of comparison. In the previous games, we experienced losing our homes. We wanted to regain some semblance of what we lost. In DA:I we're told of what we've lost. It feels as bit shallow.
John Epler @eplerjc I think that's fair - we absolutely could've developed it better. In DAI it was more about the characters themselves than the protagonist.
Robert B. Warren @robertbwarren1 I suppose that in some ways, de-emphasizing the main protag can be considered a theme itself. Throughout the game, his/her true self is essentially overshadowed by the perceptions of the masses. It touches on the responsibility and sacrifice that comes with being a public figure.
John Epler @eplerjc Yeah, DA2 and Trespasser, at least, are in part about what happens when you become overshadowed by the perception of you, and how that can spiral out of control.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 11, 2018 1:32:43 GMT
Robert B. Warren @robertbwarren1
Loved DAO & DA2. But I didn't get a sense of home in DA:I, as there were no effective points of comparison. In the previous games, we experienced losing our homes. We wanted to regain some semblance of what we lost. In DA:I we're told of what we've lost. It feels as bit shallow. John Epler @eplerjc
I think that's fair - we absolutely could've developed it better. In DAI it was more about the characters themselves than the protagonist. Robert B. Warren @robertbwarren1
I suppose that in some ways, de-emphasizing the main protag can be considered a theme itself. Throughout the game, his/her true self is essentially overshadowed by the perceptions of the masses. It touches on the responsibility and sacrifice that comes with being a public figure. John Epler @eplerjc
Yeah, DA2 and Trespasser, at least, are in part about what happens when you become overshadowed by the perception of you, and how that can spiral out of control. That's how I read it as well - it was thematic because identity vs public perception and struggles related to it were part of a major theme in DAI (which we may yet see extended in the future title).
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2018 1:33:50 GMT
I think some Bioware developers would be facepalming hard after reading this article..
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2018 1:35:57 GMT
I think the situation in DAI would’ve better with just a prologue at the start where you have the chance to interact with some of the people on your group.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 11, 2018 1:36:07 GMT
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Artorius @artoriusdivinus Seems we have that last part in common. I used to consider BioWare one of the very few devs I felt comfortable preordering a game from. Hell, getting burned as hard as I was with Andromeda has pretty much permanently put me off from preordering or day one purchases.
John Epler @eplerjc Ultimately, I don't blame anyone for not preordering. Games are expensive, and I've certainly been burned enough times that I tend to wait - unless it's a Souls game or something else I'm 100% sure about.
Artorius @artoriusdivinus It's generally a wise thing to do. Especially if your pool of disposable income isn't that large. I'm personally not of the ''BioWare is dead to me'' mindset yet, despite Andromeda. But I will wait and see what reviews say before I decide, as I do with any game now.
To add shortly onto the last part of my previous tweet. Yes, I strongly dislike Andromeda. For the quality of it on it's own. But especially when I saw E3 2017's Anthem reveal.. seeing it get what I had been expecting to see for 5 years with the next Mass Effect.. was.. vexing.
John Epler @eplerjc I was only tangentially involved with MEA (five months of nothing but bugfixing at the end), so I can't really comment. I understand being disappointed in a sequel, though. Hopefully we can give you something worth playing and buying in the next DA.
Artorius @artoriusdivinus I am cautiously optimistic about the next Dragon Age. I know you guys can make the magic happen, so I'm also hoping it'll be good. I quite liked DAI personally. As of now I've got fairly good hopes and am interested in seeing what we ultimately get.
John Epler @eplerjc Awesome. I'm glad to hear that! I think we've got some good things cooking, and I can't wait until we can show folks more.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 11, 2018 1:44:05 GMT
I don't see why the developers don't just block any troll whining about Andromeda on sight. These people don't care about BioWare games and never have.
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2018 1:51:07 GMT
Because a lot of time they are representing Bioware on those accounts, they need to be polite with people, not adopt a scorched earth policy with anyone who disagrees with their games. That said they do block people who tend to call them names and other immature stuff.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 11, 2018 2:54:39 GMT
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to.
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Post by majesticjazz on Dec 11, 2018 2:55:05 GMT
In my experience when people complain about politics, It's usually just politics they disagree with.
Would you mind if I were the exception?
Because politics fucking suck.
It's nice when you find people you agree with in that way.
But that doesn't make them suck any less.
That shit just brings friends apart. Which is exactly why I told one of my close friends to just stop talking about them with me recently. And I ain't gonna talk to you even about stuff we agree on. Just because it's not worth opening that can of worms.
Politics are opinions. We're better off chatting facts.
Political may be opinions, but they shape our life and surroundings and you cannot run away from that.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 11, 2018 3:20:29 GMT
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to. At this point, I'm buying it even if it's bundled with Ferrari.
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2018 3:22:28 GMT
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to. At this point, I'm buying it even if it's bundled with Ferrari. Then give me the ferrari later.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2018 3:22:57 GMT
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to. Depends if the Inquisitor is the protagonist or not. If they are, then instant preorder of their biggest collector's edition. If they aren't, quite likely won't be getting the game.
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Post by Avejajed on Dec 11, 2018 3:32:53 GMT
The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. Plato
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 11, 2018 3:42:30 GMT
At this point, I'm buying it even if it's bundled with Ferrari. Then give me the ferrari later. Who needs Ferrari anyway... I'll have the game!
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Post by Sifr on Dec 11, 2018 4:02:02 GMT
The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. Plato "Apathy is death" - KOTOR2
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Post by apollexander on Dec 11, 2018 4:18:34 GMT
I have watched several videos about Bioware devs talking about how they work on the game. The presentation John Epler and Patrick Weekes gave on GDC (Building to an Emotional Theme) is the best one. They made their points clearly and convincingly. I trust these partners.
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2018 4:37:36 GMT
I have trusted the next Dragon Age will be great because Origins, 2, and I were all amazing melt my face off good. (other than my first day in the Hinterlands, gotta admit, I had to take my doubts to the internet and be like, what is up. And we all know what they said ) Since Weekes gave me amazing on DAI and he's still lead writer, I trust more amazing will follow. Andromeda wasn't great but ai didn't regret my purchase. I'd buy MEA2 on sale. DA4 tho. I would preorder that bundled with whatever they want to sell me. Would serious over pay for glitchy buggy awesome (some of those glitches look hilarious) . Please and thank you.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 11, 2018 4:44:16 GMT
I think the situation in DAI would’ve better with just a prologue at the start where you have the chance to interact with some of the people on your group. Yeah. Or just a prologue involving the Conclave. (Unless that's what you meant? Cus I guess the only background that didn't really have a group at the conclave was Lavellan... Huh. Hadn't realized that before.)
But yeah, I think the Conclave pre-explosion would have been a better starting point than completely in medias res. It'd have made what was lost with the creation of the Breach more concrete. Instead you are just thrown into the scenario, threatened with death until you act nicely, and shown a bunch of people you may not even recognize being upset about this explosion.
And I mean, yeah, explosion bad, obviously. Demons bad. But you aren't really able to decide or appreciate how bad it is to you. You're left trying to gauge how bad it is to everyone else and then making the judgement about how you feel about it based off how they feel about it.
There's that whole "show, don't tell" thing in writing and the choice of opening feels very tell, instead of show in a way.
I don't hate the start of DAI. But then, I get invested in most narratives rather easily. And I'd already been invested in the previous series' entries as well. And the books. So I came into the game caring about the conclave and the mage/templar stuff and Justinia/Leliana/Cassandra/Varric's well being and circumstances.
I would have preferred an intro to get my bearings, is all I'm saying. And they could have done it while still keeping all the mystery and the memory loss and everything by just fading out as the protag opens the door after hearing a cry for help inside and opens the door. So nothing that's now in the end result of the game had to be lost to do it.
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to. Yeah, there's almost no way I'm not buying this game. lol
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Post by ellawyn on Dec 11, 2018 5:12:01 GMT
I had my qualms with Inquisition, but Trespasser was pretty great. tbh if they can just give me more of that with a different story/characters (And ideally a satisfying conclusion to Solas' arc) then I'll be a happy camper.
Edit: That awkward moment where your throwaway opinion post ends up at the top of the page. Look at me, everyone! Witness my opinions!!!!
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 11, 2018 7:36:10 GMT
I think the situation in DAI would’ve better with just a prologue at the start where you have the chance to interact with some of the people on your group. Yeah. Or just a prologue involving the Conclave. (Unless that's what you meant? Cus I guess the only background that didn't really have a group at the conclave was Lavellan... Huh. Hadn't realized that before.)
But yeah, I think the Conclave pre-explosion would have been a better starting point than completely in medias res. It'd have made what was lost with the creation of the Breach more concrete. Instead you are just thrown into the scenario, threatened with death until you act nicely, and shown a bunch of people you may not even recognize being upset about this explosion.
And I mean, yeah, explosion bad, obviously. Demons bad. But you aren't really able to decide or appreciate how bad it is to you. You're left trying to gauge how bad it is to everyone else and then making the judgement about how you feel about it based off how they feel about it.
There's that whole "show, don't tell" thing in writing and the choice of opening feels very tell, instead of show in a way.
I don't hate the start of DAI. But then, I get invested in most narratives rather easily. And I'd already been invested in the previous series' entries as well. And the books. So I came into the game caring about the conclave and the mage/templar stuff and Justinia/Leliana/Cassandra/Varric's well being and circumstances.
I would have preferred an intro to get my bearings, is all I'm saying. And they could have done it while still keeping all the mystery and the memory loss and everything by just fading out as the protag opens the door after hearing a cry for help inside and opens the door. So nothing that's now in the end result of the game had to be lost to do it.
Hey I'm preordering DA4 when it becomes available. If its bundled with the PS 5 then I'll pre order that to. Yeah, there's almost no way I'm not buying this game. lol
Yeah, dai's beginning was like starting dao waking up in flemeths hut and finding out about the king and a bunch of soldiers dying and Alistair grieving some guy named Duncan. Starting before the precipitating crisis of the protagonist's journey allows you to experience the drama of it with them. Starting after the crisis, or in the middle of it, means you start out not on the same page as your character. Instead of feeling what their feeling your trying to figure out whats going on. I hope they give da4 a proper beginning where you get to establish your character before shit goes down.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 11, 2018 7:47:16 GMT
Yeah. Or just a prologue involving the Conclave. (Unless that's what you meant? Cus I guess the only background that didn't really have a group at the conclave was Lavellan... Huh. Hadn't realized that before.)
But yeah, I think the Conclave pre-explosion would have been a better starting point than completely in medias res. It'd have made what was lost with the creation of the Breach more concrete. Instead you are just thrown into the scenario, threatened with death until you act nicely, and shown a bunch of people you may not even recognize being upset about this explosion.
And I mean, yeah, explosion bad, obviously. Demons bad. But you aren't really able to decide or appreciate how bad it is to you. You're left trying to gauge how bad it is to everyone else and then making the judgement about how you feel about it based off how they feel about it.
There's that whole "show, don't tell" thing in writing and the choice of opening feels very tell, instead of show in a way.
I don't hate the start of DAI. But then, I get invested in most narratives rather easily. And I'd already been invested in the previous series' entries as well. And the books. So I came into the game caring about the conclave and the mage/templar stuff and Justinia/Leliana/Cassandra/Varric's well being and circumstances.
I would have preferred an intro to get my bearings, is all I'm saying. And they could have done it while still keeping all the mystery and the memory loss and everything by just fading out as the protag opens the door after hearing a cry for help inside and opens the door. So nothing that's now in the end result of the game had to be lost to do it.
Yeah, there's almost no way I'm not buying this game. lol
Yeah, dai's beginning was like starting dao waking up in flemeths hut and finding out about the king and a bunch of soldiers dying and Alistair grieving some guy named Duncan. Starting before the precipitating crisis of the protagonist's journey allows you to experience the drama of it with them. Starting after the crisis, or in the middle of it, means you start out not on the same page as your character. Instead of feeling what their feeling your trying to figure out whats going on. I hope they give da4 a proper beginning where you get to establish your character before shit goes down. holy crap DAI started with the inciting incident.
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Post by Aozora on Dec 11, 2018 9:35:20 GMT
Yeah. Or just a prologue involving the Conclave. (Unless that's what you meant? Cus I guess the only background that didn't really have a group at the conclave was Lavellan... Huh. Hadn't realized that before.)
But yeah, I think the Conclave pre-explosion would have been a better starting point than completely in medias res. It'd have made what was lost with the creation of the Breach more concrete. Instead you are just thrown into the scenario, threatened with death until you act nicely, and shown a bunch of people you may not even recognize being upset about this explosion.
And I mean, yeah, explosion bad, obviously. Demons bad. But you aren't really able to decide or appreciate how bad it is to you. You're left trying to gauge how bad it is to everyone else and then making the judgement about how you feel about it based off how they feel about it.
There's that whole "show, don't tell" thing in writing and the choice of opening feels very tell, instead of show in a way.
I don't hate the start of DAI. But then, I get invested in most narratives rather easily. And I'd already been invested in the previous series' entries as well. And the books. So I came into the game caring about the conclave and the mage/templar stuff and Justinia/Leliana/Cassandra/Varric's well being and circumstances.
I would have preferred an intro to get my bearings, is all I'm saying. And they could have done it while still keeping all the mystery and the memory loss and everything by just fading out as the protag opens the door after hearing a cry for help inside and opens the door. So nothing that's now in the end result of the game had to be lost to do it.
Yeah, there's almost no way I'm not buying this game. lol
Yeah, dai's beginning was like starting dao waking up in flemeths hut and finding out about the king and a bunch of soldiers dying and Alistair grieving some guy named Duncan. Starting before the precipitating crisis of the protagonist's journey allows you to experience the drama of it with them. Starting after the crisis, or in the middle of it, means you start out not on the same page as your character. Instead of feeling what their feeling your trying to figure out whats going on. I hope they give da4 a proper beginning where you get to establish your character before shit goes down. I like that comparison and I agree that an introduction would have been nice, but when thinking of the fact that the Inquisitor has partial amnesia, the player is on the same page and is also surprised by certain outcomes and figures things out together with his character. Getting back your memories in the Fade would not have been that meaningful then imo. (I just don't like knowing, I dunno, important things before my character learns about them in general? Like knowing beforehand that Solas is the Dreadwolf. Not knowing anything is not good for immersion as well though, I know that first-hand... I would give a lot to play DA:I + Trespasser with my current knowledge of lore again for the first time. I am just really sad that I sat through Trespasser and was not really affected by all the revelations 😭 the only thing that triggered a reaction was seeing Sora had lost his arm. I am still waiting for an explanation on how that happened exactly btw. I am confused. Some people say Solas did it, but he just did some magic that did not look like petrifying the arm to me before walking of.)
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Post by mfr001 on Dec 11, 2018 10:09:31 GMT
Yeah, dai's beginning was like starting dao waking up in flemeths hut and finding out about the king and a bunch of soldiers dying and Alistair grieving some guy named Duncan. Starting before the precipitating crisis of the protagonist's journey allows you to experience the drama of it with them. Starting after the crisis, or in the middle of it, means you start out not on the same page as your character. Instead of feeling what their feeling your trying to figure out whats going on. I hope they give da4 a proper beginning where you get to establish your character before shit goes down. I like that comparison and I agree that an introduction would have been nice, but when thinking of the fact that the Inquisitor has partial amnesia, the player is on the same page and is also surprised by certain outcomes and figures things out together with his character. Getting back your memories in the Fade would not have been that meaningful then imo. (I just don't like knowing, I dunno, important things before my character learns about them in general? Like knowing beforehand that Solas is the Dreadwolf. Not knowing anything is not good for immersion as well though, I know that first-hand... I would give a lot to play DA:I + Trespasser with my current knowledge of lore again for the first time. I am just really sad that I sat through Trespasser and was not really affected by all the revelations 😭 the only thing that triggered a reaction was seeing Sora had lost his arm. I am still waiting for an explanation on how that happened exactly btw. I am confused. Some people say Solas did it, but he just did some magic that did not look like petrifying the arm to me before walking of.) The origins in Origins did a very good job of letting you get a grasp of the different groups in the world of Thedas and their natures, but the mage origin made me feel that I had to choose between decisions, none of which I liked, so that was a turn off at first. I nearly gave up on the game, but after a few false starts I discovered the Dwarven Noble origin with a female character (all the male faces I made could have been prototypes for the back of a bus). Things improved better in the market where you meet the first love of your life - leading to a "You bloody men are all the same!" moment.
I found the "tabula rasa" start gave me more control over choices at the beginning. My elven mage had a bad day, blown up, chased by large armoured spiders who wanted to grab a piece of my ass, and not in a nice way, regaining consciousness in irons and with everyone out to get me, on the "It was an elf what done it!" principle. It was not difficult to take on the role of total bemusement, and keep on going from there.
In the end, of course, many decisions are forced on the player, especially "save the world" or "don't save the world", but if you make the second choice it will be a short game, but I prefer not to feel completely railroaded down a particular path.
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Post by mfr001 on Dec 11, 2018 10:15:33 GMT
Forgive the ProBoards-newbish question, but why do some of Hrungr's posts end in [HASH]DAT? I just picture them snapping their fingers in a music video and ending a song with it. The hastag is used to mark tweets/news, and it creates a link to a page that will only show posts with that hashtag. There's one for Anthem and Mass Effect as well.
See the link in my signature for a more details. " hastag"? Does that mean there is also a hasn'ttag which takes you somewhere totally irrelevant?
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