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Post by marikahaliwell on Dec 12, 2018 17:13:19 GMT
OMG! the last Deception entry broke my heart!!
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 18:21:40 GMT
Alain Baxter @alainbaxterBetween the Anthem team finaling the game and the DA:4 team powering ahead, it's nice to see everyone taking a break and smashing things... #AnthemGame #DA4 #BioWare [HASH]DAT
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Post by cribbian on Dec 12, 2018 19:27:27 GMT
ladyiolanthe ladyiolanthe DiscoBabaloo It's probably too early to say yet, but will using the DA Keep (or something like it) be possible for #dreadwolfrises? I've seen some DA players who are concerned they won't be able to import save states since they lost their saves when computers crashed, etc. Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooStill too early. But we know it exists Would be wierd if they scrapped the keep after just one game
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Post by mfr001 on Dec 12, 2018 19:36:29 GMT
KattAnira🎁🎄 @kattaniraA not so in-depth analysis of the idol. #TheDreadWolfRises Penny for your thoughts, @patrickweekes @dragonage Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOH MY GOD Well, it might just be piles, but then again "red piles" = a massive stock of red lirium?! That would make the Red Templars the good guys! Just remember, you read it here first. Happy nightmares.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 12, 2018 19:57:02 GMT
Alain Baxter @alainbaxterBetween the Anthem team finaling the game and the DA:4 team powering ahead, it's nice to see everyone taking a break and smashing things... #AnthemGame #DA4 #BioWare Powering ahead... I like the sound of that
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 12, 2018 20:00:03 GMT
I don’t know why that wouldn’t be a question as I would say a majority of dragon age followers want a partial return to what makes dao so memorable. There were a lot of bad deeds commited. I came across that video as dragon age related topics pop up I don’t want to attack any developer I would just Like to know that A-nothing is off the table B-you will never be able to the the deeds that you commited in dao as we have evolved and that is no longer
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 12, 2018 20:06:44 GMT
Alain Baxter @alainbaxterBetween the Anthem team finaling the game and the DA:4 team powering ahead, it's nice to see everyone taking a break and smashing things... #AnthemGame #DA4 #BioWare Powering ahead... I like the sound of that It does sound like they’re further along than “not even started” doesn’t it?
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 20:09:13 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes With respect, when we say "All art is political," that's not a statement of intent, or how we want it to be. All art IS political, whether you want it to be or not. If you don't notice that, usually it's because it's reinforcing the status quo.
Jamie @wardentweets A interesting and Valid point to put across and most certainly real or fake almost every game has underlying politics, but where do you strike a balance of politics, in which doesn’t swing too far to one side, alienating the other? That I feel is the issue in DA4 particularly...
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes A ) It's an issue in every game B ) We have not announced DA4 C ) The only option that lets me sleep at night is to make a game I would be proud to stand in front of a crowd of 1500 people and defend, so those are the games I try to make.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 12, 2018 20:21:21 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesB ) We have not announced DA4 Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 20:26:22 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesB ) We have not announced DA4 Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Hey! It could be... something else.
Like, um...
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 12, 2018 20:30:40 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesB ) We have not announced DA4 Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Yeah, specially when we have another BioWare guy talking about powering ahead with DA4, just earlier in the thread, i'd say the gigs up
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 12, 2018 20:33:58 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesB ) We have not announced DA4 Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Maybe there's a difference between announcing and teasing something?
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 20:38:05 GMT
Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Maybe it there's a difference between announcing and teasing something?
Yeah, we still haven't gotten an "official game announcement". The trailer is still technically a non-specific teaser.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 12, 2018 20:44:02 GMT
Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Maybe it there's a difference between announcing and teasing something?
lol, if there is one that difference is lost on me, I'm confuzzled.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 12, 2018 20:58:21 GMT
Maybe it there's a difference between announcing and teasing something?
Yeah, we still haven't gotten an "official game announcement". The trailer is still technically a non-specific teaser. I guess we can’t say it’s “announced” until they give us a title
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 12, 2018 21:00:18 GMT
I don’t know why that wouldn’t be a question as I would say a majority of dragon age followers want a partial return to what makes dao so memorable. There were a lot of bad deeds commited. I came across that video as dragon age related topics pop up I don’t want to attack any developer I would just Like to know that A-nothing is off the table B-you will never be able to the the deeds that you commited in dao as we have evolved and that is no longer Evil choices are just as important as good, neutral, silly, or stupid ones. If the current Dragon Age writing staff has a problem with providing players exploring the fictional options that they would never even *consider* in real life, then they need to be honest, make the PCs set characters, and drop any pretense of making genuine role playing games.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 12, 2018 21:06:24 GMT
Sergio Magallan @magalla19 So, to take you out of the "everything is political" argument for a sec, do you guys at Bioware read or have any say on the run of comics that have been coming out? Just read Deception and it was great, hope they tie into DA4 like some of the books did with DAI.
John Epler @eplerjc We do - or at least, this time we did! Our writers and artists are consulted, and there's a fair amount of back-and-forth.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 12, 2018 21:08:08 GMT
Yeah, we still haven't gotten an "official game announcement". The trailer is still technically a non-specific teaser. I guess we can’t say it’s “announced” until they give us a title Yeah, an official announcement would include a proper press release with the full title and other details.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 12, 2018 21:09:03 GMT
I think the question that needs to be asked to today’s da team. Is dao to offensive now or is some of daos heroes actions no longer acceptable for future games Yep, because we couldn't strip mages of their emotions in the previous game, or sell a companion into slavery in the one before that. (Your use of "offensive" tells us all exactly what kind of "being an awful person" you want in the next game.)
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 12, 2018 21:09:40 GMT
I wish BioWare would stop playing games with my heart. I already fear Anthem will be a big flop and cause EA to cancel DA4, this word play is not needed.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 12, 2018 21:37:21 GMT
I'm curious about what specific choices people could make in DAO that they feel were missing in DAI.
While certainly true that you can't randomly murderknife as many people as you did in Origins, there are still moments when you can be ruthlessly pragmatic: letting Celene be killed, being harsh in your various judgements and making a deal with Imshael spring to mind.
I do think that the 'ruthless pragmatism' gage could be tipped a bit further over in that direction than it was in Inquisition. But I also think that there were a bunch of 'evil' choices in Origins that just didn't make a lot of sense and seemed to be there just to let the player be a bastard for no particular reason. (The one that stands out for me is always killing the greedy merchant in Lothering. How is that any kind of sensible response to the situation???) Better to stick to things like 'preserve the Anvil or destroy it?' where there's a genuine up side to the more ruthless choice and you're not just being a jerk for the hell of it.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 12, 2018 21:40:15 GMT
And yet the people in charge then are no longer in charge watership Down is being toned down for today’s audience. Is it not a fair question would dao or is dav4 being toned down for today’s audience
The warden or even the hero origin in dao commits many things that would be discouraged in today’s environment. The tranquilis a harsh sentence but allowed by a ruler. but in da4 will the creative team steer the ship back to a dao dark setting.
I do apologize if this is off topic. Felt like it was on topic due to recent twitter talk
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Post by bshep on Dec 12, 2018 21:40:38 GMT
I wish BioWare would stop playing games with my heart. I already fear Anthem will be a big flop and cause EA to cancel DA4, this word play is not needed. I wish people would stop spreading this kind of nonsense rumor.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 12, 2018 21:52:47 GMT
I'm curious about what specific choices people could make in DAO that they feel were missing in DAI. While certainly true that you can't randomly murderknife as many people as you did in Origins, there are still moments when you can be ruthlessly pragmatic: letting Celene be killed, being harsh in your various judgements and making a deal with Imshael spring to mind. I do think that the 'ruthless pragmatism' gage could be tipped a bit further over in that direction than it was in Inquisition. But I also think that there were a bunch of 'evil' choices in Origins that just didn't make a lot of sense and seemed to be there just to let the player be a bastard for no particular reason. (The one that stands out for me is always killing the greedy merchant in Lothering. How is that any kind of sensible response to the situation???) Better to stick to things like 'preserve the Anvil or destroy it?' where there's a genuine up side to the more ruthless choice and you're not just being a jerk for the hell of it. While I mostly agree, I don't think an RPG should necessarily restrict itself to the ruthlessly pragmatic, in terms of more 'evil' choices. We slaughter hundreds to thousands of NPCs, and that's even considering story/gameplay segregation. No developer needs put on the pretense that their story must be a morally good experience, or otherwise 'pragmatic' but often discouraged decisions. Maybe it is distasteful to you (and at least oftentimes, me) to be a 'jerk for the hell of it', but that's on Bioware for making a realistic enough setting that we can understand that a protagonist may indeed be someone who is a jerk for the hell of it. When you create the most gruesome of murderous monsters of people/creature-races in it, yes, the perception of protagonist capacity for evil is going to be there. Darker settings either have darker people present overall, or a black/white morality that good writers tend to abhor. That was a lot of the notion of the Wardens in DAO itself, mind you. They were the saviors of Thedas. They were also often filled with people who could be called the worst scum of Thedas. That scummyness doesn't, and shouldn't necessarily fall off because they become a Warden, so protagonist choices that reflect this potential is appreciated. Sometimes scummy means weird things like murderous impulses that don't seem to make a lot of sense, IMO. I don't hate that these sort of choices have been falling away from the series, but I do think the series loses something more than just the choices alone, by falling them away. The Inquisitor, no matter what I did in the 'worst ways', was always someone I could either say was a 'good person' or at least 'someone trying to be a good person'. Not necessarily the case with Hawke (but somewhat), and not the case with the Warden. Similar compare between Ryder and Shepard.
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Post by ajensis on Dec 12, 2018 22:00:47 GMT
Right, because no one who chooses evil, ruthless, desperate, pragmatic, trollish, silly, insane, and /or stupid choices in a fictional RPG does so because they want to see how the story plays out. No one who plays dark characters do so as a creative outlet, using the games like collaborative fan fiction. No one has their PCs do these things because of tortured pasts, or because the events of the game broke them. No one uses these choices to explore how their characters might look upon their actions and seek to change and atone. None of them are capable of playing characters completely unlike themselves, instead of only self inserts. Most importantly, none of them know the difference between fantasy and reality.
Computer RPGs can never cover everything. Bioware's games are clearly focused on creating heroic characters - there are other RPGs (I think Tyranny is one?) that allow for more morally grey or downright evil PCs. Even better, though, would be Dungeons & Dragons. That would allow you all the freedom you seem to desire. Until then, I recommend role-playing someone less judgmental and presuming of your fellow players' playstyles and motivations I admit I play a lot of kind, empathetic, selfless PCs in my Dragon Age playthroughs. Some would call it boring, and I totally understand that viewpoint, but it's what resonates most deeply with me. At the end of the day, we all play for different reasons, all of which are valid. One of the most useless things you can spend your time on is convincing other people that their fun is wrong.
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