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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2018 0:57:27 GMT
👭 Autumn Witch 🎄 @dragon_Age_Fans Do you come from a more creative background or business/management back ground career wise?
John Epler @eplerjc Absolutely creative - I've been in QA, then cinematic design and narrative presentation for 11 years. I can speak business, and I know management reasonably well, but I'm a creative.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 13, 2018 0:57:53 GMT
midnight teaDid it escape your notice that the one murder knife the Inquisitor IS allowed to have is in a narratively crowded busy Val Royouex market place? Because that is the most obvious "in front of everyone" there could be. Short of the Sham Inquisition Court we get to play. Organized murder is a okay. Wait, when is this? In the Dorian romance, you can shank the merchant who has his amulet.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 0:59:46 GMT
In the Dorian romance, you can shank the merchant who has his amulet. Ah, okay. It’s been so long I forgot that was an option.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 13, 2018 1:00:03 GMT
Would be wierd if they scrapped the keep after just one game True, but a developer friend had put some doubts into my head because they thought the Keep wouldn't be necessary since the next DA game will be on Frostbite still. So in theory, you could import saves from DAI directly into DA4 without issues like there would have been between DAO/DA2 and DAI. Yea, but the Keep isn't there just to record the game-states from our saves, but also set up new world-states without the necessity to replay all of the games, including DAI - which is one of the things I like the Keep for, and I suspect I'm not the only one. I mean, even if I replay DAI multiple times prior to DA4, I don't think I'll have the time or will to replay any scenario I'd like to potentially use in TDWR and that would certainly impact my willingness to then replay DA4 or any other future game. Nevermind that I don't think there are many games in recent memory which utilize game saves from one game or another...? I think that's a thing of the past. The DA Keep is just a more modern and less bug-prone way to do that.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 13, 2018 1:06:57 GMT
In the Dorian romance, you can shank the merchant who has his amulet. Explains why it slipped my mind. But it ends up with an end to a romantic relationship with Dorian (nevermind that friendship with Dorian is viewed as politically inconvenient, so that's a bag of problems on its own... and also something that further proves my point)...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 13, 2018 1:09:54 GMT
Being "toned down" from what? DA4 doesn't exist yet. Exactly this. I'm seeing some outrage click baiters making ad hominem attacks fearing 'agendas' in a game 3 years from launch. There's a solid team of writers on the case including experienced BioWare writers going back many many years. If there was a 'story problem' we wouldn't know about it until the reviews hit and nor would the troglodytes on the internet have any actual advance insight. It may rumble on, but there's no way BioWare can actually 'answer' the concerns at this stage. In my view. TONED DOWN FROM WHAT?! *agressively repetitive synth beat*
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2018 1:12:31 GMT
Witchy @witchyonviviOh! That's actually really interesting Thanks for sharing, John! So you're the "feels insurer", basically xD John Epler @eplerjcSort of. More like... if you play a game like Yakuza (which I will reference any time I can), there's a consistent narrative experience. The gameplay supports the story, and vice versa. Everything feels like it flows well into the next thing. Some of what I do is just planning around story, but I'm also the person who is, ultimately, responsible for the 'narrative experience'. Do your gameplay actions have the same emotional heft as when you go into the next cutscene? Does a single mission feel cohesive? And beyond that, are we prioritizing the right features and content? Are we ignoring cutscenes and moments that are narratively important, are we saying 'good enough' when in reality we should be doubling down somewhere, etc. [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 13, 2018 1:28:53 GMT
Witchy @witchyonviviOh! That's actually really interesting Thanks for sharing, John! So you're the "feels insurer", basically xD John Epler @eplerjcSort of. More like... if you play a game like Yakuza (which I will reference any time I can), there's a consistent narrative experience. The gameplay supports the story, and vice versa. Everything feels like it flows well into the next thing. Some of what I do is just planning around story, but I'm also the person who is, ultimately, responsible for the 'narrative experience'. Do your gameplay actions have the same emotional heft as when you go into the next cutscene? Does a single mission feel cohesive? And beyond that, are we prioritizing the right features and content? Are we ignoring cutscenes and moments that are narratively important, are we saying 'good enough' when in reality we should be doubling down somewhere, etc. I do like reading all that I've always appreciated efforts to merge gameplay with narrative and any emotion-impacting content there is, even though I - even as an amateur - see that it's not always easy, in fact oftentimes difficult and sometimes the results are... awkward (speaking overall, not just about DA). Being able to merge narrative and gameplay into a cohesive whole is an art in itself.
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Post by bshep on Dec 13, 2018 1:33:43 GMT
BSN BioWare forums @bsnforumsThanks. ok, so would 'narrative' also play a role in the branching choices (for example) with how what happens to Krem and Bull's Chargers plays out in Trespasser with, er, the Iron Bull's behavior? Or am I thinking too narrowly? 😀 John Epler @eplerjcI mean, technically, I can say 'I'd rather we do X or Y', but that's largely the domain of @patrickweekes and his team. I try to be as non-invasive as possible when it comes to that stuff - let experts work.
That said, sometimes if I feel strongly about something, I'll pitch it and we'll talk it over. Patrick is a better writer than I'll ever be, it would be really stupid of me not to take advantage of that. BSN BioWare forums @bsnforumse Got it. But in that case, a companion from a gameplay perspective has to become an NPC foe, presumably balanced to be defeatable. 🤔 John Epler @eplerjcOh, for sure. But that's a gameplay question to answer - in that case, we would say 'hey, this follower can betray you, how do we want that to work?' and they'd figure out what to do with stats, equipment, etc. So if someone break our protagonist heart and then stab them in the back we already know who to blame...again.
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Post by Gecko on Dec 13, 2018 2:03:48 GMT
And this is when we all calm the fuck down.
This thread is to discuss DA Tweets, not this to and throw bullshit about EA, sales and Andromeda...
Stay on topic.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 13, 2018 2:16:52 GMT
The Dragon Age Twitter thread is currently locked for some "clean up".
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And we're now open again. A number of posts have been removed. A post of yours may have been moved if it was in response to or quoting an "offending" post, even if there is nothing objectionable about the content of your post specifically.
This thread is for Dragon Age related tweets and brief discussion of those tweets.
If a tweet proves worthy of prolonged discussion - in your view - make a thread for it. Do not attempt to have lengthy conversations here.
This is not a suggestion, nor a request.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 3:42:05 GMT
Uh, you pretty much have, Mr. Weekes. Hey! It could be... something else.
Like, um...
DRAGON AGE: THE COMMEMORATIVE 4-PIECE TEA SET
Or they intend their hash tag more euphemistically and Bioware is branching out into men's health pharmaceuticals...
But seriously, though, its obviously DA4, Patrick.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 13, 2018 5:55:35 GMT
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 13, 2018 8:12:02 GMT
In the Dorian romance, you can shank the merchant who has his amulet. Interesting, I'm guessing a fair share of the crowd lamenting the "loss" of murderknife in DAI never found this knife.
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Post by apollexander on Dec 13, 2018 8:49:59 GMT
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Post by Zemgus on Dec 13, 2018 10:27:32 GMT
Witchy @witchyonviviOh! That's actually really interesting Thanks for sharing, John! So you're the "feels insurer", basically xD John Epler @eplerjcSort of. More like... if you play a game like Yakuza (which I will reference any time I can), there's a consistent narrative experience. The gameplay supports the story, and vice versa. Everything feels like it flows well into the next thing. Some of what I do is just planning around story, but I'm also the person who is, ultimately, responsible for the 'narrative experience'. Do your gameplay actions have the same emotional heft as when you go into the next cutscene? Does a single mission feel cohesive? And beyond that, are we prioritizing the right features and content? Are we ignoring cutscenes and moments that are narratively important, are we saying 'good enough' when in reality we should be doubling down somewhere, etc. This reminds of DA2 when Hawke's mother is kidnapped by a serial killer and while Hawke is nearly losing his mind trying to find her, his companions basically just make casual jokes about the whole thing. I always found that to be very odd. Or when Lavellan's entire clan is wiped out in DAI and no one says anything about it, not even the adviser whose advice got them killed.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 13, 2018 14:01:55 GMT
azyt To @aazytto Hey john, in the magical world of dragon age, why can't elves have beards?
John Epler @eplerjc Elves grow beards, they just grow them on the inside. It's very uncomfortable.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 13, 2018 15:21:08 GMT
DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI see Bioware/EA did not learn from Mass Effect andromeda and Battlefield 5. Good to know I can market the new Dragon Age game off my list of games to buy. Sadly I am not going to cry when EA close Bioware in 2019. John Epler @eplerjcThanks for your feedback. Have a great holiday season! DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI do with you the best of luck. I am massive fan of the first Dragon Age game. I thought the second game was fine. The third was where I felt the game series was going in the wrong direction. I would like a game where I can forget the real world exist. To enjoy a new world. John Epler @eplerjcAnd what I want to build is an awesome story and great game where folks can lose themselves. I have no interest in hitting people over the head with clumsy messages. DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonok. So I jumped the gun and did not look at the big picture. I am sorry for jumping the gun. I am just really tired about RL being dragged into everything I see and hear. I am tired of the real world. I want another world I can jump into and escape to. John Epler @eplerjcEscapism is a big reason I play games - DayZ has kept me engaged for years because it's immersive and it pulls me in. So I get it. Hopefully we can start talking more about it in the New Year! [HASH]DAT ____________________________________ Oh, I hope so too...
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Post by phoray on Dec 13, 2018 15:30:07 GMT
That exchange looks like there was a conversation in private message halfway through
I hate your games!
Have a nice Christmas
I loved Origins, DAI was bad. I play games.to escape my life!
Escapism is kewl, I getcha.
Sorry, I jumped the gun
Eh?
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 13, 2018 15:44:36 GMT
That exchange looks like there was a conversation in private message halfway through
I hate your games! Have a nice Christmas I loved Origins, DAI was bad. I play games.to escape my life! Escapism is kewl, I getcha. Sorry, I jumped the gun
Eh? It's all about Epler's post about politics, "DA4 going full SJW/woke", drawing parallels with EA's handling of BF5. blah blah blah. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_V#ReceptionJust Google " Dragon Age politics", have a field day.
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Post by LazarusV2 on Dec 13, 2018 15:49:49 GMT
DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI see Bioware/EA did not learn from Mass Effect andromeda and Battlefield 5. Good to know I can market the new Dragon Age game off my list of games to buy. Sadly I am not going to cry when EA close Bioware in 2019. John Epler @eplerjcThanks for your feedback. Have a great holiday season! DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI do with you the best of luck. I am massive fan of the first Dragon Age game. I thought the second game was fine. The third was where I felt the game series was going in the wrong direction. I would like a game where I can forget the real world exist. To enjoy a new world. John Epler @eplerjcAnd what I want to build is an awesome story and great game where folks can lose themselves. I have no interest in hitting people over the head with clumsy messages. DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonok. So I jumped the gun and did not look at the big picture. I am sorry for jumping the gun. I am just really tired about RL being dragged into everything I see and hear. I am tired of the real world. I want another world I can jump into and escape to. John Epler @eplerjcEscapism is a big reason I play games - DayZ has kept me engaged for years because it's immersive and it pulls me in. So I get it. Hopefully we can start talking more about it in the New Year!____________________________________ Oh, I hope so too... Well, I will pray and really hope that John Epler is speaking the "pure" truth and we will hear a lot more about this #DreadWolfRises alias DA4, once the Anthem will launch in February. I still want to believe my personal theory, that DA4 will ship between Fall 2019 - Fall 2020. Right now I am just really terrified of another years full of "SOON, really SOON, COMING SOON" etc.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 16:31:55 GMT
DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI see Bioware/EA did not learn from Mass Effect andromeda and Battlefield 5. Good to know I can market the new Dragon Age game off my list of games to buy. Sadly I am not going to cry when EA close Bioware in 2019. John Epler @eplerjcThanks for your feedback. Have a great holiday season! DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI do with you the best of luck. I am massive fan of the first Dragon Age game. I thought the second game was fine. The third was where I felt the game series was going in the wrong direction. I would like a game where I can forget the real world exist. To enjoy a new world. John Epler @eplerjcAnd what I want to build is an awesome story and great game where folks can lose themselves. I have no interest in hitting people over the head with clumsy messages. DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonok. So I jumped the gun and did not look at the big picture. I am sorry for jumping the gun. I am just really tired about RL being dragged into everything I see and hear. I am tired of the real world. I want another world I can jump into and escape to. John Epler @eplerjcEscapism is a big reason I play games - DayZ has kept me engaged for years because it's immersive and it pulls me in. So I get it. Hopefully we can start talking more about it in the New Year!____________________________________ Oh, I hope so too... Well, I will pray and really hope that John Epler is speaking the "pure" truth and we will hear a lot more about this #DreadWolfRises alias DA4, once the Anthem will launch in February. I still want to believe my personal theory, that DA4 will ship between Fall 2019 - Fall 2020. Right now I am just really terrified of another years full of "SOON, really SOON, COMING SOON" etc. With Anthem coming out in February, it's almost certain that at the very least they'll talk about DA4 at EA Play in June since they'll need something to show off. And they may even talk about it before then.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that the "3 years away" thing is dead wrong. Even if I do see a lot of people quoting it as if its a certainty now. lol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 16:41:28 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that the "3 years away" thing is dead wrong. Even if I do see a lot of people quoting it as if its a certainty now. lol While it could be true, I'm thinking more 2 years. From the sounds of things they've had at least some people working on it for a while. I doon't think 2019 since they'll probably want that to be Anthem's year, so I think 2020. Plus technically you can say the leak is right if you look at it as the last month of 29018 counting as a year: 2018, 2019, 2020.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 13, 2018 16:54:54 GMT
DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI see Bioware/EA did not learn from Mass Effect andromeda and Battlefield 5. Good to know I can market the new Dragon Age game off my list of games to buy. Sadly I am not going to cry when EA close Bioware in 2019. John Epler @eplerjcThanks for your feedback. Have a great holiday season! DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonI do with you the best of luck. I am massive fan of the first Dragon Age game. I thought the second game was fine. The third was where I felt the game series was going in the wrong direction. I would like a game where I can forget the real world exist. To enjoy a new world. John Epler @eplerjcAnd what I want to build is an awesome story and great game where folks can lose themselves. I have no interest in hitting people over the head with clumsy messages. DoomBlackDragon @doomblackdragonok. So I jumped the gun and did not look at the big picture. I am sorry for jumping the gun. I am just really tired about RL being dragged into everything I see and hear. I am tired of the real world. I want another world I can jump into and escape to. John Epler @eplerjcEscapism is a big reason I play games - DayZ has kept me engaged for years because it's immersive and it pulls me in. So I get it. Hopefully we can start talking more about it in the New Year! ____________________________________ Oh, I hope so too... it sounds like a paranoid guy who listens to too many YouTube videos about BioWare being “woke.”
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