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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 22:36:02 GMT
The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Nope. Maybe not, but it sure is miles above Andromeda. People are complaining because Andromeda is a massive step backwards from the trilogy and from BioWare's promises of moving forward. Because I love the franchise so much for a number of reasons, I tend to leave a lot of its problems alone, but so far I'm not at all seeing how this game is any worse written, and a lot of it has to do with ME2, a game that is brilliant in setting its tone, but is downright frakking retarded when it comes to actually moving the trilogy forward. It's one of the reasons why I play it the least out of the 3. Its saving grace is basically how often it tries to avoid its own ridiculousness by padding the game considerably with unrelated character stories. I could not say that the trilogy's overarching plot is really miles above anything and keep a straight face, but the game survives so well because of its immensely charming personality. It reminds me of my feelings on Abrams' Trek movies. They get such great reviews, but the stories therein are pants on head stupid. Ironically, the lowest reviewed one actually has the most sensible story but is so poorly executed it barely matters.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 22:36:21 GMT
The writing is on par with other Bioware games. Nope. Maybe not, but it sure is miles above Andromeda. People are complaining because Andromeda is a massive step backwards from the trilogy and from BioWare's promises of moving forward. I think this is the main thing that I got from my trial and from what I'm reading about. All I will say is that 5 years in the making and this is the best CC they can come up with? UI? Different Aliens? Writing?
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 22:42:09 GMT
Nope. Maybe not, but it sure is miles above Andromeda. People are complaining because Andromeda is a massive step backwards from the trilogy and from BioWare's promises of moving forward. Because I love the franchise so much for a number of reasons, I tend to leave a lot of its problems alone, but so far I'm not at all seeing how this game is any worse written, and a lot of it has to do with ME2, a game that is brilliant in setting its tone, but is downright frakking retarded when it comes to actually moving the trilogy forward. It's one of the reasons why I play it the least out of the 3. Its saving grace is basically how often it tries to avoid its own ridiculousness by padding the game considerably with unrelated character stories. I could not say that the trilogy's overarching plot is really miles above anything and keep a straight face, but the game survives so well because of its immensely charming personality. You can go far with Charming personality . Maybe that's what MEA is missing eh? Still for 5 years in the making I would expect them to do better than what I've seen, played and read. We've all our opinions on the writhing but so far the 3 hours I played, I thought the dialogue was terrible whereas at least the dialogue in MET was charmingly ok
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 22:45:07 GMT
Funny thing is, some of the stuff we look back on fondly were some of the dumbest things (other than the ending) in the trilogy. Saren was as menacing as a batarian hobo. The Sovereign speech was senseless nonsense that, in my mind, diminished the reapers, and then was one-upped by Harbinger, who was galactic clown shoes. Every silly Harby battle cry was a cool point subtracted.
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Post by areskeith on Mar 22, 2017 22:48:14 GMT
Funny thing is, some of the stuff we look back on fondly were some of the dumbest things (other than the ending) in the trilogy. Saren was as menacing as a batarian hobo. The Sovereign speech was senseless nonsense that, in my mind, diminished the reapers, and then was one-upped by Harbinger, who was galactic clown shoes. Every silly Harby battle cry was a cool point subtracted. His voice made up for it
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 22:49:31 GMT
Sovereign had a better voice.
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Post by areskeith on Mar 22, 2017 22:50:18 GMT
Sovereign had a better voice. Heresy and lies
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 22, 2017 22:54:54 GMT
Actually Mass Effect Andromeda has the potential to be my 2nd favorite game out of the four games. I'm in the minority here It's topping my list out of all of them. All I wanted was a much better version of the first game, which is what I personally think we got. I feel sorry for the fence sitters because they are stuck with reviewers and fans that are either praising it or hanging it up in a knot. The amount of stuff to do in this game is ridiculous lol
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Post by goishen on Mar 22, 2017 22:55:22 GMT
Nope. Maybe not, but it sure is miles above Andromeda. People are complaining because Andromeda is a massive step backwards from the trilogy and from BioWare's promises of moving forward. Because I love the franchise so much for a number of reasons, I tend to leave a lot of its problems alone, but so far I'm not at all seeing how this game is any worse written, and a lot of it has to do with ME2, a game that is brilliant in setting its tone, but is downright frakking retarded when it comes to actually moving the trilogy forward. It's one of the reasons why I play it the least out of the 3. Its saving grace is basically how often it tries to avoid its own ridiculousness by padding the game considerably with unrelated character stories. I could not say that the trilogy's overarching plot is really miles above anything and keep a straight face, but the game survives so well because of its immensely charming personality. It reminds me of my feelings on Abrams' Trek movies. They get such great reviews, but the stories therein are pants on head stupid. Ironically, the lowest reviewed one actually has the most sensible story but is so poorly executed it barely matters. I take it that you don't like character studies, then do you? Take, for example... The first season of True Detective. ME2 was intended to move the plot forward, but only by inches, whereas ME1 was intended (and did) go by miles. I mean, it's fine if you don't like character studies, some people don't.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 22:55:56 GMT
Funny thing is, some of the stuff we look back on fondly were some of the dumbest things (other than the ending) in the trilogy. Saren was as menacing as a batarian hobo. The Sovereign speech was senseless nonsense that, in my mind, diminished the reapers, and then was one-upped by Harbinger, who was galactic clown shoes. Every silly Harby battle cry was a cool point subtracted. You think too much. You're playing a computer game set in space. I personally just enjoyed the ride and have enjoyed the ride many times every time I play it. The points you mention I like. I like Saren, I liked the Sovereign speech because of the his voice and what he said. Guess you don't even like it when Sheps made a Spectre with all the great music, speech an all. . MET is full of cheese however it's not that crappy cheesy string type stuff with no cheese in it, it's more of a Pule cheese So far... and I will say again, so far, the trial I played wasn't good. The dialogue wasn't good. The animation wasn't good. These are my opinions on why I will not be buying the game right now. Later who knows. Edit... I saw Star Wars in 77 and it blew my mind. There's nothing wrong with liking the dumbest things if they give you enjoyment or at that time gave you enjoyment.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 23:05:48 GMT
Because I love the franchise so much for a number of reasons, I tend to leave a lot of its problems alone, but so far I'm not at all seeing how this game is any worse written, and a lot of it has to do with ME2, a game that is brilliant in setting its tone, but is downright frakking retarded when it comes to actually moving the trilogy forward. It's one of the reasons why I play it the least out of the 3. Its saving grace is basically how often it tries to avoid its own ridiculousness by padding the game considerably with unrelated character stories. I could not say that the trilogy's overarching plot is really miles above anything and keep a straight face, but the game survives so well because of its immensely charming personality. It reminds me of my feelings on Abrams' Trek movies. They get such great reviews, but the stories therein are pants on head stupid. Ironically, the lowest reviewed one actually has the most sensible story but is so poorly executed it barely matters. I take it that you don't like character studies, then do you? Take, for example... The first season of True Detective. ME2 was intended to move the plot forward, but only by inches, whereas ME1 was intended (and did) go by miles. I mean, it's fine if you don't like character studies, some people don't. I did say that the character stories was the game's saving grace. I actually like character studies, but that doesn't really change my feeling that ME2's central plot is a seriously dumb mess.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 23:08:39 GMT
Funny thing is, some of the stuff we look back on fondly were some of the dumbest things (other than the ending) in the trilogy. Saren was as menacing as a batarian hobo. The Sovereign speech was senseless nonsense that, in my mind, diminished the reapers, and then was one-upped by Harbinger, who was galactic clown shoes. Every silly Harby battle cry was a cool point subtracted. You think too much. You're playing a computer game set in space. I personally just enjoyed the ride and have enjoyed the ride many times every time I play it. The points you mention I like. I like Saren, I liked the Sovereign speech because of the his voice and what he said. Guess you don't even like it when Sheps made a Spectre with all the great music, speech an all. . MET is full of cheese however it's not that crappy cheesy string type stuff with no cheese in it, it's more of a Pule cheese So far... and I will say again, so far, the trial I played wasn't good. The dialogue wasn't good. The animation wasn't good. These are my opinions on why I will not be buying the game right now. Later who knows. Edit... I saw Star Wars in 77 and it blew my mind. There's nothing wrong with liking the dumbest things if they give you enjoyment or at that time gave you enjoyment. I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:17:06 GMT
I take it that you don't like character studies, then do you? Take, for example... The first season of True Detective. ME2 was intended to move the plot forward, but only by inches, whereas ME1 was intended (and did) go by miles. I mean, it's fine if you don't like character studies, some people don't. I did say that the character stories was the game's saving grace. I actually like character studies, but that doesn't really change my feeling that ME2's central plot is a seriously dumb mess. Dumb mess? Stop a race from stealing colonists, recruit some of the most bad ass people in the galaxy, get enough level, resources and stuff to get through to the final stage, kill, maim destroy. What's so dumb about that? I'm sure I read a post where you didn't like Thane or was I mistaken? I think Thane was one of the best characters in the whole MET and I loved his story and back story. Loved how he helped out in ME3 and was disappointed you couldn't have him again as a squad member. We are worlds apart in our ME opinions me thinks. What I'm saying is that you seem to be trying to convince people that MEA writing is on par with or is better than or is equally as poor as MET. Your working extremely hard to trying and get people to over analyse MET when people or maybe just me doesn't care, as right now MEA is the game that I'm not happy about and from the reviews so are many others. Well I don't think writing is good it is (so far) and from what I've read from those who's completed or got hours under there belt, it doesn't get any better.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 22, 2017 23:18:01 GMT
Shepard was made spectre way too soon.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:23:24 GMT
You think too much. You're playing a computer game set in space. I personally just enjoyed the ride and have enjoyed the ride many times every time I play it. The points you mention I like. I like Saren, I liked the Sovereign speech because of the his voice and what he said. Guess you don't even like it when Sheps made a Spectre with all the great music, speech an all. . MET is full of cheese however it's not that crappy cheesy string type stuff with no cheese in it, it's more of a Pule cheese So far... and I will say again, so far, the trial I played wasn't good. The dialogue wasn't good. The animation wasn't good. These are my opinions on why I will not be buying the game right now. Later who knows. Edit... I saw Star Wars in 77 and it blew my mind. There's nothing wrong with liking the dumbest things if they give you enjoyment or at that time gave you enjoyment. I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:26:32 GMT
Shepard was made spectre way too soon. How? He's was already a hero and the first words are talking about Shepard and if he's ready. The council had already sent another spectre to review Shepard so they were thinking about it. Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Put it this way, it was a damn sight longer than becoming a Pathfinder eh
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Post by areskeith on Mar 22, 2017 23:26:40 GMT
I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Lol offended much?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:30:35 GMT
I can argue that if you're going to dock points because ME;A has these issues then you damn well better dock other games for having the same issues, which many fans and critics do not do. Have you actually read what you've posted? I've underlined it so you can see. The aggression in your post and the way you're telling another foruminte what they should and shouldn't be doing... Well if you're going to dock ME:A for having bugs and crashes then you might as well dock the other big games for having the same things.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 22, 2017 23:30:45 GMT
I take it that you don't like character studies, then do you? Take, for example... The first season of True Detective. ME2 was intended to move the plot forward, but only by inches, whereas ME1 was intended (and did) go by miles. I mean, it's fine if you don't like character studies, some people don't. I did say that the character stories was the game's saving grace. I actually like character studies, but that doesn't really change my feeling that ME2's central plot is a seriously dumb mess. This. I hear a lot that people think ME2 was the high point of the series, which maybe is true and I don't want to debate. But considered the central narrative of ME2 to be the weakest, or maybe the least important of the series. I think people aren't bothered by it because it was written to be character driven, and they did a good job of that. But seriously, the story of ME2 is almost completely irrelevant to the trilogy, nothing would have changed if Shepard said fuck it to the Omega Relay and just went back to the Alliance. ME2's success is lightning in a bottle, I don't see it happening again, because in theory it shouldn't have been that good. A game that you go around recruiting people, just so you can gain their loyalty is absurd on its face. And all to do what? Fight the collectors? A single ship with a rag tag of crew fight an entire species of alien? If the collectors had even the remotest sense of putting a freaking door with a good lock somewhere in their home base Shepard would have failed. Kudos to Bioware for making it work, proving that good story telling is can be done even if the basic premise is suspect. But we should acknowledge ME2's story for what it is.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:31:44 GMT
I liked when Shepard was made Spectre, but I do have to ignore the silly mechanics of proving Saren's guilt, because the Council refuses to believe an eyewitness, but will just accept an audio file from a drifting space gypsy. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Just because he's criticizing the trilogy doesn't mean he's not a fan. Didn't you call out a poster for being too aggressive? You're doing it with him.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:33:29 GMT
Calling another people's opinions 'bitching' is a very good way to have a meaningful conversation. What is the purpose of the thread? To validate OP's opinion?) Does he feel insecure about his thoughts? To wonder what the backlash is all about?
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:42:25 GMT
From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Just because he's criticizing the trilogy doesn't mean he's not a fan. Didn't you call out a poster for being too aggressive? You're doing it with him. Lol. You think what I said was aggressive? Wow.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:43:37 GMT
From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET. Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't. Lol offended much? Not by nameless people on an internet forum I'm not. Nice try though.
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Post by solomace on Mar 22, 2017 23:46:02 GMT
Calling another people's opinions 'bitching' is a very good way to have a meaningful conversation. What is the purpose of the thread? To validate OP's opinion?) Does he feel insecure about his thoughts? To wonder what the backlash is all about? Then maybe the OP needs to read and listen more and then they might know what all the backlash is about? Not sure why you don't think it's odd to say people are bitching when people are stating why they're not happy. I take it you like the game?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 23:52:37 GMT
Just because he's criticizing the trilogy doesn't mean he's not a fan. Didn't you call out a poster for being too aggressive? You're doing it with him. Lol. You think what I said was aggressive? Wow. From your posts, I find it hard to believe you're a MET fan. You seem to be taking great pleasure in trying to rip apart MET.
Good job it's not working and your posts are just trying to hide the fact that you're enjoying MEA and don't like it that others don't.
You accuse him of enjoying ME: A and said that he doesn't like it the fact that people don't like it. Not only that's a baseless claim but that comes as aggressive.
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