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Post by PhroX on Aug 24, 2016 16:22:09 GMT
Dude your talking about Mesopotamia. ._. A country that 90% of the world has no idea existed at all tbh.  It would be like me complaining about the collapse of the Fairhair dynasty of the line of Harald. I wouldn't really call Mesopotamia a country. It's a region - one which dozens, maybe hundreds of countries have existed in or conquered throughout human history. Though, certainly, it's one that people should know more about. Where people do know of the region, it's mainly either modern (Iraq) or ancient (Babylon) completely missing out the intervening millenia. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 16:31:51 GMT
Dude your talking about Mesopotamia. ._. A country that 90% of the world has no idea existed at all tbh. It would be like me complaining about the collapse of the Fairhair dynasty of the line of Harald. I wouldn't really call Mesopotamia a country. It's a region - one which dozens, maybe hundreds of countries have existed in or conquered throughout human history. Though, certainly, it's one that people should know more about. Where people do know of the region, it's mainly either modern (Iraq) or ancient (Babylon) completely missing out the intervening millenia. I was presuming he was talking about a specific dynasty of the Kingdom of Mesopotamia. In relation to lost archives and libraries. I was simply cut and dry in my approach that, you are talking a specific country in this region's history that no one outside of academia likely knows was a thing to begin with, little lone specific kingdoms. Hence my bringing up Harold and his dynasty. Its a apt comparison, because in Norway itself, my homeland he is scarcely brought up in historical text outside of what is taught of the Sagas. |
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Post by PhroX on Aug 24, 2016 16:37:08 GMT
I wouldn't really call Mesopotamia a country. It's a region - one which dozens, maybe hundreds of countries have existed in or conquered throughout human history. Though, certainly, it's one that people should know more about. Where people do know of the region, it's mainly either modern (Iraq) or ancient (Babylon) completely missing out the intervening millenia. I was presuming he was talking about a specific dynasty of the Kingdom of Mesopotamia. In relation to lost archives and libraries. I was simply cut and dry in my approach that, you are talking a specific country in this region's history that no one outside of academia likely knows was a thing to begin with, little lone specific kingdoms. Hence my bringing up Harold and his dynasty. Its a apt comparison, because in Norway itself, my homeland he is scarcely brought up in historical text outside of what is taught of the Sagas. What "Kingdom of Mesopotamia"? There have been a myriad of polities that ruled either from or over the region, none of which are typically described with that name. The only time Mesopotamia is used to describe an administrative entity instead of the geographical region is the Roman/Byzantine province/theme. |
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Post by Larry-3 on Aug 24, 2016 16:43:50 GMT
Well on the subject of history, the time period that interest me most is 1880s all the way to the mid 1930s. The invention of the plane, World War I, and the Roaring Twenties. Speaking of the airplane, I did read a biography of the Wright Brothers this past year. It was pretty interesting. Random factoid: Apparently Wilbur was horribly beaten with a bat in high school which put an end to his plans to attend university as he spent most of the next three years at home in chronic pain. The guy who did it went on to become a serial killer. I have to tell you... That just sounds completely terrible. The word renegade comes to mind. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 16:45:41 GMT
I was presuming he was talking about a specific dynasty of the Kingdom of Mesopotamia. In relation to lost archives and libraries. I was simply cut and dry in my approach that, you are talking a specific country in this region's history that no one outside of academia likely knows was a thing to begin with, little lone specific kingdoms. Hence my bringing up Harold and his dynasty. Its a apt comparison, because in Norway itself, my homeland he is scarcely brought up in historical text outside of what is taught of the Sagas. What "Kingdom of Mesopotamia"? There have been a myriad of polities that ruled either from or over the region, none of which are typically described with that name. The only time Mesopotamia is used to describe an administrative entity instead of the geographical region is the Roman/Byzantine province/theme. Are we splitting hairs of naming? The title of King of Kings of the Sasanian Empire, a ruling political body of that region seems to indicate they were rather feudalistic in their approach to governing. I am simply pointing out that had basically monarchy after monarchy in this region until Islamic conquest, so I call them all just as I do in Egypt, the Kingdoms of Mesopotamia. As they existed throughout recorded history. The dynasties aren't directly tied sure in some cases, and often times there is a bit of a gap between them but all the same. Its a succession of Kingdoms and Empires, and what have you until the ending of its history. This extends back to the Sumerians and founders of what would be this series of dynasties. So honestly when I label it kingdom of Mesopotamia it doesn't feel inaccurate to me. |
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Post by PhroX on Aug 24, 2016 16:52:22 GMT
I'd say your terminology is unnecessarily confusing (my earlier post wasn't trying to be pedantic or such, I genuinely didn't understand what you were referring to) and not one I have ever seen used before. "Kingdom of Mesopotamia" implies a degree of political continuity that simply didn't exist.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 17:06:58 GMT
That's a fair point.
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 24, 2016 17:16:46 GMT
Speaking of the airplane, I did read a biography of the Wright Brothers this past year. It was pretty interesting. Random factoid: Apparently Wilbur was horribly beaten with a bat in high school which put an end to his plans to attend university as he spent most of the next three years at home in chronic pain. The guy who did it went on to become a serial killer. I have to tell you... That just sounds completely terrible. The word renegade comes to mind. It was terrible. Wilbur had aspired to attend Yale (He was a bit of a genius). The guy who did it later killed both his own parents and an estimated twelve others. |
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 24, 2016 17:23:19 GMT
The Persian period (6th century BC - 7th century AD) was the better period for Mesopotamia with no or low slavery and most religious freedom. Though there was a Seleucid (Greek) rule over Mesopotamia and Persia for about 150 years in between which wasn't too bad!
Both, much better than the Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian rule over there or the Islamic rule since 7th century.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 20:05:19 GMT
Some very impressive early film work here. I mean I can list off the accolades it won but I'd rather folks just enjoy this for what it is.
The work of a brilliant director who was given sufficient freedom and resources to produce in my eye the greatest film in the entirety of the 1930s.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 24, 2016 20:17:41 GMT
The last Nazi era good movie:  (1942) |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 20:26:50 GMT
Olympia is just a good movie, it just happens to have significance. Both in the realms of filmography and history.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 24, 2016 21:40:51 GMT
Up until the Russian/Japanese war, disease killed more soldiers in every war than enemy action.
It's really easy to forget just how big a factor bacteria and viruses used to be in our equations.
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Post by Lorn on Aug 24, 2016 21:59:17 GMT
Dude your talking about Mesopotamia. ._. A country that 90% of the world has no idea existed at all tbh. It would be like me complaining about the collapse of the Fairhair dynasty of the line of Harald. Well he us credited with creating Norway. Thanks Crusader Kings 2 for teaching me that! |
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Post by dzejkob on Aug 24, 2016 22:00:52 GMT
Up until the Russian/Japanese war, disease killed more soldiers in every war than enemy action. It's really easy to forget just how big a factor bacteria and viruses used to be in our equations. But on serious note they really are, black death caused estimated amount of 75 to 200 millions deaths, (so between 30 and 60 percent of Europe population) took 300 years for population to recover. The history would be completely different at current time even if one of diseases that was deadly didn't exist or had a different effect. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 22:03:36 GMT
Dude your talking about Mesopotamia. ._. A country that 90% of the world has no idea existed at all tbh. It would be like me complaining about the collapse of the Fairhair dynasty of the line of Harald. Well he us credited with creating Norway. Thanks Crusader Kings 2 for teaching me that! ...Harold credited who? Note you are speaking about a man who has so little known impact in written history, his own mentions come from skaldic verse and saga written centuries after his death. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 23:07:04 GMT
Well he us credited with creating Norway. Thanks Crusader Kings 2 for teaching me that! ...Harold credited who? Note you are speaking about a man who has so little known impact in written history, his own mentions come from skaldic verse and saga written centuries after his death. In Crusader Kings II Harald Fairhair is both credited as in later starts and the most likely candidate TO in the start where he's alive to form Norway or "Norge" as it's called when ruled by the Norse. Paradox gives him some pretty decent stats so he's a reasonably popular character to play during the Old Gods bookmark. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 24, 2016 23:37:11 GMT
Oooh he's credited.
Yeah he's the first King of Norway.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 25, 2016 4:34:00 GMT
Not the first time (a Harald appears) in a video game...  Oh well, it seems he actually was from Denmark who conquered the Norway land. |
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Post by jmac1424 on Aug 25, 2016 13:57:49 GMT
Yes, it is British. This idea of a British POV is something I only see from Neo Nazis on butthurt YouTube comments though. Along with the standard "Jews are running the world" criticism. These people don't seem to like any documentary made. I hope you're not barking up that tree. No it just argues a very, very, very Allies and British perspective. Defense of Dresden, Churchill, Operation Market Garden, all these stupid choices and decisions that if undertaken by the AXIS would result in war crimes tribunals or you being laughed out of a classroom. I mean if I recall correctly it argued that despite Market Garden's ridiculous failure, it somehow aided the Allies in some capacity. When in reality all it did was cause the starvation of a bunch of dutch people and give the Germans something to shoot at that wasn't Russian for a day or two. Along with the deaths of 10,000 soldiers. I have studied that flop a little bit, and I can tell you that it was a rushed mess because the Allies did not respect the capabilities of their opponents in defensive war. And oh God would learn the stupidity of that in 1944. Personally? I am the stance that if capable I would make my own documentary on the subject. Operation Market Garden was a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Arguments could definitely be made that the disaster could have totally cost Allies the Western Front. But, it pretty much gets ignored for being the disaster that it was. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 25, 2016 15:31:42 GMT
Oh well, it seems he actually was from Denmark who conquered the Norway land. Yeah Bluetooth is another king. And there are more then a few centuries separating these men in life, just pointing that out. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Aug 26, 2016 2:34:00 GMT
Today marks the 4th anniversary of the death of Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Aug 28, 2016 16:20:02 GMT
Today marks the 4th anniversary of the death of Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon. Who didn't know till his death if he seen stars in the sky while on the moon. Actually none of them remember. They look like they are on death row. |
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 28, 2016 22:25:02 GMT
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It would be like me complaining about the collapse of the Fairhair dynasty of the line of Harald.
