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Post by geezer117 on Aug 21, 2016 19:14:05 GMT
Awhile back I noticed something about semi-auto guns when there is lag. The local computer and host computer mis-connect about the guns magazine load. At least, I surmise. So my wraith would sometimes only fire once, then reload, or it might fire 4 or 5 times before reloading. Black widow too. And other guns, if I paid close attention. But the Wraith worst of all, don't know why. Anyway, great, I thought, 4 or 5 shots is worth the one shot times.
But not so. I have paid more close attention. Recent gold/cerberus game had me shooting 8 or ten times point blank to kill a phantom. This was wraith/HVB/warp4 ammo. So I started paying attention to the magazine. I might fire 5-1-4-4-1 shots at an atlas, and not kill it, but the magazine with 28 rounds would show 5 rounds spent, but an instant later snap back to 28, with no damage done, or 27 with slight damage. Then one round and reload, now down to 26 in the mag. Then 4 shots done and reload, but only 2 gone. Then 4 more shots and reload, but only one gone. Then one shot and reload. And so on.
So my computer was showing me shooting like a madman, but the host was only scoring a few shots made. That is why the wraith was not doing much damage.
I followed that with a solo, and the wraith behaved normally and did a lot of killing as expected. Two shots and reload every time, and a lot of damage done.
Since a lot of PUG games now are with hosts across the world, and I'm starting to pay attention to this, I find it happens even with full-auto guns like H'cane and Eagle. It makes it a lot harder to stay alive in CQC.
Hate to go this way, but I'll have to do more hosting for gold. In silver, it doesn't matter.
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Post by bauzabauza on Aug 21, 2016 19:19:17 GMT
problems with your guns? use a KRROOOGGGGAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deerber on Aug 21, 2016 20:14:04 GMT
I don't get that "+ lag"
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2016 20:15:00 GMT
I don't get that "+ lag" Ye, lag is always awful by itself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 20:16:16 GMT
I don't get that "+ lag" Ye, lag is always awful by itself. I think he means the wraith sucks more than Lisa Ann
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Post by Deerber on Aug 21, 2016 20:18:38 GMT
Ye, lag is always awful by itself. I think he means the wraith sucks more than Lisa Ann Yeah but he ain't wrong either.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 21, 2016 20:50:19 GMT
inb4 packet loss
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Post by akots on Aug 21, 2016 23:20:28 GMT
Yesterday, I had 5 bullets in magazine of my black widow. It was consistent. None of the shots hit anything. Ping to host was 45 msec. So, as SMR said, packet loss is to blame. Then, on Av3nger's host with ping around 150 msec, black widow behaved absolutely normal. There were some rubberbanding involved though not that bad. So, it is not lag, it is packets.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Aug 21, 2016 23:38:43 GMT
This game's netcode is a joke. I played with a guy who's living like 50km from me, we both have excellent connections in both download and upload, yet, sometimes the game just craps itself out.
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Post by akots on Aug 22, 2016 1:09:20 GMT
This game's netcode is a joke. I played with a guy who's living like 50km from me, we both have excellent connections in both download and upload, yet, sometimes the game just craps itself out. Dunno, I'm about probably 20 miles from Stinky, and it is the best host I ever hope to have. Better than hosting myself as there is no phantom bs.
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Post by Clyde on Aug 22, 2016 1:33:06 GMT
If you think that's bad, you should try the Raider off host. You'll get Scimitar sized magazines out of it regularly
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 22, 2016 9:17:39 GMT
Once I had such a bad connection - I was unable to hit anything. Rubberbanding all over the place. But I was unkillable. Lag was so bad - even the AI had written me off and ignored me completely. Most of my contribution was doing objectives and reviving the rest of the scurbs.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 22, 2016 9:42:43 GMT
yesterday the lag was so bad i missiled a swarmer and got killfeed credit for two
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 22, 2016 16:51:59 GMT
Distance Causes Lag. (tm)
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Literally every time I play with the Raider off host I am secretly praying for an extra-laggy extra-packet-lossy game so I can get more than two shots out of it. It's *so* much more fun that way.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Aug 22, 2016 18:09:11 GMT
Distance Causes Lag. (tm) This is a smart man if ever I've seen one.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 22, 2016 18:22:03 GMT
Ye, lag is always awful by itself. I think he means the wraith sucks more than Lisa Ann What a woman. I mean come dumpster... Yes, that'll do.
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Post by capn233 on Aug 23, 2016 23:41:03 GMT
At least it isn't a projectile weapon with lag.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 11:14:11 GMT
I get that mostly when playing the Krysae off-host - but Wraith too, I can confirm. Could be worse, though - you might get disconnected instead...
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Post by budhalen on Aug 25, 2016 17:34:51 GMT
I think the Wraith just sucks period. Reader's choice regarding how to interpret 'period'.
Don't get me wrong, it hits pretty hard. No denying that. I just hate how I'm always looking & wondering what I'm 'waiting' for in its firing cycle.
Do I have another shot in the chamber? Am I waiting for the reload animation to start? I look at my ammo status with that weapon more than any other in the game. Fuck all that.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Aug 25, 2016 21:28:25 GMT
I think the Wraith just sucks period. Reader's choice regarding how to interpret 'period'. Don't get me wrong, it hits pretty hard. No denying that. I just hate how I'm always looking & wondering what I'm 'waiting' for in its firing cycle. Do I have another shot in the chamber? Am I waiting for the reload animation to start? I look at my ammo status with that weapon more than any other in the game. Fuck all that. Yeah, the ROF can pretty annoying and it's not that much faster than a reload canceled Claymore. It syncs pretty well with powers though. Shoot -->Power-->Shoot-->Power - this combo pretty much kills any enemy excluding the bosses (and maybe Fantums on host )
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 25, 2016 22:21:01 GMT
I worship the High Lord, and although I enjoy all the shotguns of Mass Effect, Claymore Claymore Claymore.
That said, the Wraith is absurdly OP and if you can aim is a better mook killer and almost as deadly as the Claymore overall.
The delay, while frustrating early on, isn't something I ever notice anymore. Delay issue seems like just a L2P situation.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 25, 2016 23:17:52 GMT
I think the Wraith just sucks period. Reader's choice regarding how to interpret 'period'. Don't get me wrong, it hits pretty hard. No denying that. I just hate how I'm always looking & wondering what I'm 'waiting' for in its firing cycle. Do I have another shot in the chamber? Am I waiting for the reload animation to start? I look at my ammo status with that weapon more than any other in the game. Fuck all that. If there's nothing to shoot, just default to reloading, regardless of whether or not there's still a shot left.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Aug 26, 2016 12:09:11 GMT
Re: the Wraith, There are a lot of characters for whom Power, shoot, shoot, Power is going to line up almost perfectly with cooldowns. And that's without any of your fancy shmancy reload canceling.
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Post by xassantex on Aug 26, 2016 15:20:37 GMT
the day i decided i was a good player i started noticing lag even when hosting.
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Post by Heroicmass on Aug 26, 2016 17:01:07 GMT
the wraith is just awful period. sure it kills enemies, but the rate of fire is miserably slow and it sounds like one of my son's farts. Use a real man's weapon instead, like the Eagle.
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