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Post by darkstorne on Mar 23, 2017 8:34:26 GMT
So here's something that's been bothering me for a while.
The Reapers - created almost a billion years ago by an ancient civilization known as "Leviathans", the Reapers were tasked with finding a solution to the recurring problem of organic and synthetic life always trying to kill each other. Logic of this solution aside, the Reapers have been wiping out all technologically advanced life in the Milky Way galaxy every 50 thousand years for the past billion years. As a result, the Milky Way galaxy and its species have been eternally stunted in growth and development. Much like a bonsai tree that is permanently pruned to ensure it remains small instead of growing larger (they aren't a unique species of small tree, just normal tree species that have their growth carefully managed and restricted). The Milky Way galaxy has been practically eternally defined by the Reaper's management, with the Mass Relays that their creator's civilization developed almost a billion years ago defining how and where species will develop, and even the Citadel defining where they will rule from once space flight is achieved. And as soon as a civilization is on the cusp of advancing technologically in a way that would make them a threat to the Reapers, they are wiped out. The Milky Way is reset, and the technological development of intelligent life begins anew.
Now let's cut to Andromeda - a brand new galaxy that, we're told, is free from Reaper influence. My first thoughts on this game's announcement were "How will a galaxy free from this 'reset button' every 50k years differ from the Milky Way?" Because on the grand scale of things, that reset button should have ensured that the Milky Way species are severely stunted technologically compared to life in other galaxies. And yet... if anything we're more advanced than life in Andromeda? We are after all the species that travelled to their galaxy, and not vice versa. And we seem to be the ones posing the threat and horror of being an alien invasion force intent on settling another galaxy's planets and terra-forming them to meet our own needs, often with little to no regard for the life that already calls these planets home.
The Big Question - Why is it that without the presence of the Reapers, this galaxy's species are, so far, not unlike our own? Both physically and technologically. The species in this galaxy have had, potentially, up to 20 THOUSAND times longer to develop than the current Milky Way races have. As far as I can see this has three different explanations:
1) Bioware's writers have made yet another big mistake. And with the quality of writing on display in Andromeda, this might even be the most likely explanation, as depressing as that would be...
2) The Reapers didn't just harvest life in the Milky Way and then chill out in Dark Space doing nothing for 50k years. They carried out a 50k year tour of multiple galaxies in our universe, harvesting and resetting life across more galaxies than just our own, with Andromeda being one of them. If the Milky Way races could develop the technology to reach another galaxy in just 50k years, then it seems impossible that the Reapers couldn't also achieve the same space flight distances with their significantly more advanced technology. Perhaps we'll find evidence of the Reaper's past actions in Andromeda in the future?
3) Another Reaper-like event befell Andromeda in the past. It may not have been an event that regularly recurred like the Reapers did, but something may have happened in the past that wiped out all technologically advanced life in Andromeda and caused a reset event not dissimilar to the reset events the Milky Way galaxy endured for the past billion years. Possibly a galaxy-wide extinction event that reset all life.
What are your thoughts on this? For those of you far enough into Andromeda's story to have picked up on any clues as to why technology is so bizarrely stunted here in line with the Milky Way's technology (if any such clues can be found, that is) then please remember to SPOILER the relevant info for the benefit of those still playing the game. Otherwise, I think this is something that could definitely use some more speculation. In the (hopefully) unlikely event that Bioware didn't even consider this topic when they developed ME:A, it could at least become a topic they address in sequels if we make them aware of it.
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Post by woodrow on Mar 23, 2017 9:11:33 GMT
I wondered the same thing. I actually wondered what the point of travelling to another galaxy is. There are over a hundred billion stars in the milky way. Its not possible for all the races in the ME universe to have even explored a tiny fraction of them. And if we were somehow running out of room in the milky way, why wouldnt we assume that Andromeda was full too.
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Post by darkstorne on Mar 24, 2017 10:51:58 GMT
I wondered the same thing. I actually wondered what the point of travelling to another galaxy is. There are over a hundred billion stars in the milky way. Its not possible for all the races in the ME universe to have even explored a tiny fraction of them. And if we were somehow running out of room in the milky way, why wouldnt we assume that Andromeda was full too. Yeah, that was odd too. At least I can think of that as a drive for exploration though. We've always wanted to know what's over the next horizon, and to see how far we can push the limits of technology. I'm just not sure why the team haven't taken the Reapers into account given how much they defined the Milky Way, and how big a contrast there should be between these two different galaxies if the Reapers weren't also systematically resetting technological advancement in Andromeda every 50k years. And that really makes me wonder if the Reapers had indeed being targeting multiple galaxies (although if that's the case, why no mass relays in Andromeda?)
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Post by solustein on Mar 24, 2017 11:16:40 GMT
i might have an answer to that from personal view. The reapers go on this tour over and over right? So milky way was next but they were destroyed. Thus no more resets. The Andromeda galaxy is behind in technology because maybe they were the last galaxy or second to last that was cleansed. protheans & Builders were similar to each other just different galaxies. Also this scourage may be the equivlent of reapers, since everyone seems to say its not natural (still didnt finish game )
My main question is, why would you settle a new galaxy that is in the process of being destroyed by an active black hole?
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 24, 2017 11:35:07 GMT
If I were a writer for Bioware , I would strive to make this new experience entirely 'new' for the players.If we are going to another galaxy , I'd go full 10000% with it. Since in Andromeda we have no Reapers,I 'd have the residing species be far superior and more advanced that MW species.I'd even introduce species who have transcended the physical realm. It would be so awesome if we were the 'primitives' there.
I'd try make Andromeda like extremely 'alien'.
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Post by solustein on Mar 24, 2017 11:38:31 GMT
If I were a writer for Bioware , I would strive to make this new experience entirely 'new' for the players.If we are going to another galaxy , I'd go full 10000% with it. Since in Andromeda we have no Reapers,I 'd have the residing species be far superior and more advanced that MW species.I'd even introduce species who have transcended the physical realm. It would be so awesome if we were the 'primitives' there. I'd try make Andromeda like extremely 'alien'. that will never work and shouldn't work. Otherwise the reapers would of been stopped by this other galaxies. If they are so advanced then they would of been able to come to the milky way galaxy sooner and provide assistance. The whole Universe/world must depend on the reaper cleansing otherwise, ME1-3 are all useless and just pointless.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 24, 2017 11:49:27 GMT
Why do people keep assuming that civilization is something which inevitably moves in linear fashion towards godhood and Reapers is the only thing which stops it?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 24, 2017 12:06:50 GMT
Why do people keep assuming that civilization is something which inevitably moves in linear fashion towards godhood and Reapers is the only thing which stops it? This, and this guy isn't even that much fond of the game. Also, Scourge, it's been implied the Remnant's fall was caused by it, same for the Angara, who were regressing by the time we got there.
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Post by solustein on Mar 24, 2017 12:33:42 GMT
Why do people keep assuming that civilization is something which inevitably moves in linear fashion towards godhood and Reapers is the only thing which stops it? because thats what you learn in ME3, Reapers are their to reset the universe so that they dont build a synthetic race that will destroy them. Play the ME3 DLC leviathan, squid guy says something along those lines.
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Post by egeslean05 on Mar 24, 2017 12:40:11 GMT
It is not only possible, but very likely that many species have become technologically advanced up to at least where we are as a species today. It is also very possible that they wiped themselves out before they were able to move onto and colonize other planets (something we will end up doing unless we change our ways).
IIRC Eezo is how the Milky Way species travel FTL, ignoring the Mass Relays, and it also gives people the ability to be biotic. I don't think I've seen anyone in Andromeda, who isn't from the Milky Way, using any sort of biotics. In fact, I believe an Angaran doctor says something like, 'I'd like to study this botics'. It is quite possible that Eezo or whatever they use for FTL travel in Andromeda is very scarce/rare. In that case it may not be possible for some intelligent life to be able to travel FTL in Andromeda until long after they spent hundreds of years traveling through space to reach planets that had the needed material for FTL travel.
Oh, yeah, the Mass Relays, they don't exist in Andromeda (as far as I know that is), so traveling form system to system would take much longer than it does for those in the Milky Way.
Again, IIRC, Leviathan said that they gave the AI (that became the reapers) the directive to preserve organic life from synthetic life in this galaxy (the Milky Way), and that is what it has been doing the whole time. As much as it came up with its own solution for accomplishing that task (one that makes no sense and that I doubt any real AI would ever come up with), even after so many cycles, it is still following its directives.
Given all that, I don't believe Reapers had any contact with the Andromeda galaxy, or any other galaxy for that matter, besides the Milky Way.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 24, 2017 12:49:44 GMT
Why do people keep assuming that civilization is something which inevitably moves in linear fashion towards godhood and Reapers is the only thing which stops it? because thats what you learn in ME3, Reapers are their to reset the universe so that they dont build a synthetic race that will destroy them. Play the ME3 DLC leviathan, squid guy says something along those lines. *sigh* This again? I don't want to go into that rabbit hole again or Arcian will show up, but whatever Star Brat says shouldn't be treated as absolute truth.
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Post by solustein on Mar 24, 2017 16:34:36 GMT
because thats what you learn in ME3, Reapers are their to reset the universe so that they dont build a synthetic race that will destroy them. Play the ME3 DLC leviathan, squid guy says something along those lines. *sigh* This again? I don't want to go into that rabbit hole again or Arcian will show up, but whatever Star Brat says shouldn't be treated as absolute truth. Dont know why your being so dramatic about this. It is what it is and thats how the story is supported. Also, only reason species in the milky way were able to achieve space travel was because most found the Prothean tech and the mass relays helped cover large distances. So im personally not surprised that space travel isnt as far advanced here. However im surprised to find only 2 new races in the game as far as i am.
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Post by chris2365 on Mar 24, 2017 17:38:20 GMT
The whole discussion of the Reapers harvesting other galaxies is useless. A Bioware lead developer (I think Mac Walters) confirmed about a month before release via Twitter that the Reapers are Milky Way only. They don't go venture outside to other galaxies.
It's not outright confirmed in the trilogy, but the word of the lead writer is basically as good as it gets.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 24, 2017 18:25:43 GMT
*sigh* This again? I don't want to go into that rabbit hole again or Arcian will show up, but whatever Star Brat says shouldn't be treated as absolute truth. Dont know why your being so dramatic about this. It is what it is and thats how the story is supported. Also, only reason species in the milky way were able to achieve space travel was because most found the Prothean tech and the mass relays helped cover large distances. So im personally not surprised that space travel isnt as far advanced here. However im surprised to find only 2 new races in the game as far as i am. Actually the prothean tech only made most races achieve spaceflight faster. If we had not found it we may have created a different tech and that is what the Reapers wanted to avoid. And the reason that we are only seeing two races (excluding the Remnant) is because it is only one cluster. If the ability to travel between cluster is limited it is not strange that we are only seeing two races.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 24, 2017 18:51:34 GMT
Why do people keep assuming that civilization is something which inevitably moves in linear fashion towards godhood and Reapers is the only thing which stops it? Because "it is inevitable" we are supposed to take the Catalyst as absolute truth.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 24, 2017 18:55:15 GMT
So here's something that's been bothering me for a while. The Reapers - created almost a billion years ago by an ancient civilization known as "Leviathans", the Reapers were tasked with finding a solution to the recurring problem of organic and synthetic life always trying to kill each other. Logic of this solution aside, the Reapers have been wiping out all technologically advanced life in the Milky Way galaxy every 50 thousand years for the past billion years. As a result, the Milky Way galaxy and its species have been eternally stunted in growth and development. Much like a bonsai tree that is permanently pruned to ensure it remains small instead of growing larger (they aren't a unique species of small tree, just normal tree species that have their growth carefully managed and restricted). The Milky Way galaxy has been practically eternally defined by the Reaper's management, with the Mass Relays that their creator's civilization developed almost a billion years ago defining how and where species will develop, and even the Citadel defining where they will rule from once space flight is achieved. And as soon as a civilization is on the cusp of advancing technologically in a way that would make them a threat to the Reapers, they are wiped out. The Milky Way is reset, and the technological development of intelligent life begins anew. Now let's cut to Andromeda - a brand new galaxy that, we're told, is free from Reaper influence. My first thoughts on this game's announcement were " How will a galaxy free from this 'reset button' every 50k years differ from the Milky Way?" Because on the grand scale of things, that reset button should have ensured that the Milky Way species are severely stunted technologically compared to life in other galaxies. And yet... if anything we're more advanced than life in Andromeda? We are after all the species that travelled to their galaxy, and not vice versa. And we seem to be the ones posing the threat and horror of being an alien invasion force intent on settling another galaxy's planets and terra-forming them to meet our own needs, often with little to no regard for the life that already calls these planets home. The Big Question - Why is it that without the presence of the Reapers, this galaxy's species are, so far, not unlike our own? Both physically and technologically. The species in this galaxy have had, potentially, up to 20 THOUSAND times longer to develop than the current Milky Way races have. As far as I can see this has three different explanations:1) Bioware's writers have made yet another big mistake. And with the quality of writing on display in Andromeda, this might even be the most likely explanation, as depressing as that would be... 2) The Reapers didn't just harvest life in the Milky Way and then chill out in Dark Space doing nothing for 50k years. They carried out a 50k year tour of multiple galaxies in our universe, harvesting and resetting life across more galaxies than just our own, with Andromeda being one of them. If the Milky Way races could develop the technology to reach another galaxy in just 50k years, then it seems impossible that the Reapers couldn't also achieve the same space flight distances with their significantly more advanced technology. Perhaps we'll find evidence of the Reaper's past actions in Andromeda in the future? 3) Another Reaper-like event befell Andromeda in the past. It may not have been an event that regularly recurred like the Reapers did, but something may have happened in the past that wiped out all technologically advanced life in Andromeda and caused a reset event not dissimilar to the reset events the Milky Way galaxy endured for the past billion years. Possibly a galaxy-wide extinction event that reset all life. What are your thoughts on this? For those of you far enough into Andromeda's story to have picked up on any clues as to why technology is so bizarrely stunted here in line with the Milky Way's technology (if any such clues can be found, that is) then please remember to SPOILER the relevant info for the benefit of those still playing the game. Otherwise, I think this is something that could definitely use some more speculation. In the (hopefully) unlikely event that Bioware didn't even consider this topic when they developed ME:A, it could at least become a topic they address in sequels if we make them aware of it. #2 would make the most sense. But obviously Bioware won't go that route. They want to start fresh without actually admitting they screwed up. #3 is at least possible. But a hell of a coincidence. Most likely is #1. Bioware simply did not think through the ramifications of their story, and just went "when you push a button, something awesome needs to happen"
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Post by colfoley on Mar 24, 2017 18:57:29 GMT
So here's something that's been bothering me for a while. The Reapers - created almost a billion years ago by an ancient civilization known as "Leviathans", the Reapers were tasked with finding a solution to the recurring problem of organic and synthetic life always trying to kill each other. Logic of this solution aside, the Reapers have been wiping out all technologically advanced life in the Milky Way galaxy every 50 thousand years for the past billion years. As a result, the Milky Way galaxy and its species have been eternally stunted in growth and development. Much like a bonsai tree that is permanently pruned to ensure it remains small instead of growing larger (they aren't a unique species of small tree, just normal tree species that have their growth carefully managed and restricted). The Milky Way galaxy has been practically eternally defined by the Reaper's management, with the Mass Relays that their creator's civilization developed almost a billion years ago defining how and where species will develop, and even the Citadel defining where they will rule from once space flight is achieved. And as soon as a civilization is on the cusp of advancing technologically in a way that would make them a threat to the Reapers, they are wiped out. The Milky Way is reset, and the technological development of intelligent life begins anew. Now let's cut to Andromeda - a brand new galaxy that, we're told, is free from Reaper influence. My first thoughts on this game's announcement were " How will a galaxy free from this 'reset button' every 50k years differ from the Milky Way?" Because on the grand scale of things, that reset button should have ensured that the Milky Way species are severely stunted technologically compared to life in other galaxies. And yet... if anything we're more advanced than life in Andromeda? We are after all the species that travelled to their galaxy, and not vice versa. And we seem to be the ones posing the threat and horror of being an alien invasion force intent on settling another galaxy's planets and terra-forming them to meet our own needs, often with little to no regard for the life that already calls these planets home. The Big Question - Why is it that without the presence of the Reapers, this galaxy's species are, so far, not unlike our own? Both physically and technologically. The species in this galaxy have had, potentially, up to 20 THOUSAND times longer to develop than the current Milky Way races have. As far as I can see this has three different explanations:1) Bioware's writers have made yet another big mistake. And with the quality of writing on display in Andromeda, this might even be the most likely explanation, as depressing as that would be... 2) The Reapers didn't just harvest life in the Milky Way and then chill out in Dark Space doing nothing for 50k years. They carried out a 50k year tour of multiple galaxies in our universe, harvesting and resetting life across more galaxies than just our own, with Andromeda being one of them. If the Milky Way races could develop the technology to reach another galaxy in just 50k years, then it seems impossible that the Reapers couldn't also achieve the same space flight distances with their significantly more advanced technology. Perhaps we'll find evidence of the Reaper's past actions in Andromeda in the future? 3) Another Reaper-like event befell Andromeda in the past. It may not have been an event that regularly recurred like the Reapers did, but something may have happened in the past that wiped out all technologically advanced life in Andromeda and caused a reset event not dissimilar to the reset events the Milky Way galaxy endured for the past billion years. Possibly a galaxy-wide extinction event that reset all life. What are your thoughts on this? For those of you far enough into Andromeda's story to have picked up on any clues as to why technology is so bizarrely stunted here in line with the Milky Way's technology (if any such clues can be found, that is) then please remember to SPOILER the relevant info for the benefit of those still playing the game. Otherwise, I think this is something that could definitely use some more speculation. In the (hopefully) unlikely event that Bioware didn't even consider this topic when they developed ME:A, it could at least become a topic they address in sequels if we make them aware of it. tldr: but since I've read about fifty different iterations so far i have to ask...have you bothered playing the game yet?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 19:47:53 GMT
Well, I don't have an in-game reason for you as I have not finished Mass Effect: Andromeda yet. However, I have some thoughts.
First, you are assuming that all life in the universe must have started at around the same time. This would be an (unassumingly) incorrect assumption, as the time-frame for planets to develop the correct atmosphere and topography to develop life, and the improbable odds of life spontaneously generating, could be very different depending on solar system, cluster, or galaxy. Also, notice how we only encounter 2 new living species in the Helius Cluster. The Andromeda Galaxy is very very large, and so there could be super-intelligent highly-advanced life in other clusters in the Andromeda Galaxy, they just choose to not go to the Helius Cluster or haven't reached it yet, since Andromeda is soooo huge.
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Post by MassEffectTechie on Mar 24, 2017 21:20:02 GMT
Well you've got to consider why the Leviathan created the reapers. To resolve the problem that organic life would always create synthetic life, which would then rebel leading to conflict between organic and synthetic life.
Why shouldn't this be true in Andromeda also? Organics creating synthetics which then rebel? Only in Andromeda, there was no Leviathan or reapers. So we can only assume that the 'natural' course of events happened. Given that the Leviathan tried to stop this in the Milky Way, I'd argue the consequences in Andromeda would be far worse than reaper harvesting.
Exactly what would happen is unknown, but it's possible that organics and synthetics would wipe each other out completely, setting back all life to pre-microbial form. Or maybe synthetics would win and then something else unexpected happens. In any case, there are possible explanations for the current situation in Andromeda, so I wouldn't say there's a plot hole here. But whether these are the most likely outcomes is uncertain.
I'd say more 'narrative convenience' than a glaring plot hole.
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Post by shroomofdoom on Mar 24, 2017 23:43:22 GMT
Because the reapers didn't cull other galaxies. As has been stated by bioware writers. Within the games it's not really been alluded to yet.
From a reality point of view, it could come down to location more than anything. The milky way is, by galactic standards, pretty tame, in terms of size and conditions. Andromeda is much larger, with a much larger super massive blackhole at it's core. Andromeda has "swallowed" alot of other galaxies and the merging of supoer massive blackholes tends to be... messy. lots of energy and radiation released in the eating process, so much so that Andromeda is much more radioactive and the galaxy was likely biologically cleansed a few times in its history from the radiation that was put out. Bioware could use that as an explaination as to why biological life has only begun developing somwhat recently (as such things are reckoned on the universal time scale) The background radiation only having recently dropped sufficiently to allow complex biological life to form without being ripped apart at the molecular level by background radiation.
So just as life was being constantly reset by the reapers, every billion years or so, Andromeda had to endure a radioactive wipe, that destryoed those few species, that had achieved any form of technoligcal development that would allow them to expand within that galaxy. Even the reapers would have suffered extinction if the super massive blackhole at the milky ways core had entered a period of "active feeding" the resultant stream of super heated matter and gamma radiation that gets shot into space, would have sterilised the entire galaxy, rendering all complex organic molecules to pieces and destroying the source of the reapers energy and growth.
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Post by constructman on Mar 25, 2017 0:02:40 GMT
I can't speak for the Kett, but: It's heavily implied that the Angara are artificial/synthetic lifeforms created by the Jardaan (the race that built the Remnant vaults). How long ago they were created isn't mentioned during the Meridian control center level, but since much of Angara history is oral tradition, they may be less than 1000 years old as a sapient civilization.
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Post by kerg on Mar 25, 2017 0:15:14 GMT
There are billions of stars in the Milky Way. There are billions of galaxies. The idea that the reapers could travel to and find and wipe it all out in even one galaxy is pretty silly if you think about it, let alone do it to multiple galaxies. On that note, why even travel to another galaxy to begin with, when it's likely that 99% of the Milky Way is still unexplored? People don't or can't grasp the numbers involved, the sheer vastness of space. So most people buy it for the same reason they buy lottery tickets. Bioware knows this and so they write what's convenient.
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Post by jalis on Mar 25, 2017 0:22:13 GMT
Forget the reapers. They were needed for the trilogy, but are no more useful. Like Shepard, they had done good service but are now old story.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2017 0:27:03 GMT
There are billions of stars in the Milky Way. There are billions of galaxies. The idea that the reapers could travel to and find and wipe it all out in even one galaxy is pretty silly if you think about it, let alone do it to multiple galaxies. On that note, why even travel to another galaxy to begin with, when it's likely that 99% of the Milky Way is still unexplored? People don't or can't grasp the numbers involved, the sheer vastness of space. So most people buy it for the same reason they buy lottery tickets. Bioware knows this and so they write what's convenient. Why not? Ever species they wipe out becomes one or more Reapers. Their numbers grow with every cycle. And if synthetic life can be developed here, it can be developed there, and advance to the point where it can come here, and ...kill everyone. What if those Remnant thingees got advanced enough to surpass even the Reapers and decide to cleanse the Milky Way? Some relatively recent cosmic disaster wiping out all life (including Reapers) in Andromeda is an interesting idea. The Milky Way being 99% unexplored could just as easily apply to the Andromeda Initiative. The relay network still hasn't been fully mapped out.
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Post by kerg on Mar 25, 2017 0:49:05 GMT
There are billions of stars in the Milky Way. There are billions of galaxies. The idea that the reapers could travel to and find and wipe it all out in even one galaxy is pretty silly if you think about it, let alone do it to multiple galaxies. On that note, why even travel to another galaxy to begin with, when it's likely that 99% of the Milky Way is still unexplored? People don't or can't grasp the numbers involved, the sheer vastness of space. So most people buy it for the same reason they buy lottery tickets. Bioware knows this and so they write what's convenient. Why not? Ever species they wipe out becomes one or more Reapers. Their numbers grow with every cycle. And if synthetic life can be developed here, it can be developed there, and advance to the point where it can come here, and ...kill everyone. What if those Remnant thingees got advanced enough to surpass even the Reapers and decide to cleanse the Milky Way? Some relatively recent cosmic disaster wiping out all life (including Reapers) in Andromeda is an interesting idea. The Milky Way being 99% unexplored could just as easily apply to the Andromeda Initiative. The relay network still hasn't been fully mapped out. How many reapers are there? Hundreds? How many mass relays are there? Hundreds? There are billions of stars in just the Milky Way. Just the number of stars and the distances between them makes it unlikely to me that the reapers could have explored every part of the galaxy, let alone every part of another galaxy. Possible, I suppose, over billions of years, if they've been around that long, although the lore says the reapers don't do anything except sit around in dark space in their down time. I guess the original Leviathan empire could have spanned the galaxy, if they had a billion years or whatever to explore it.... because that's how long it would probably take without the relays already in place. Point is the numbers and time involved in exploring and mapping an entire galaxy is immense, and not graspable my most people. So I don't think Bioware cares if it makes logical sense that Andromeda is the way it is. Their answer is... that was the Milky Way, this is Andromeda, different place, and it's like this because we say so.
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