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Post by empirex on Mar 23, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
The recent events have got me thinking of how Bioware can make a massive change to fix Andromeda.
In 2007, CD Projekt RED (WAIT COME BACK. THIS ISN'T ANOTHER WITCHER THREAD) released The Witcher 1 to middling reviews. There was praises for the narrative and choices but it was severely unstable, the UI was a mess, and the VA was frankly terrible.
The developers took the feedback before a year later released an enhanced edition (for free) that fixed many of the games outerlying issues. It was an investment that paid off and it won CD Projekt RED the support that to this day they have cultivated and built since then.
I want to see Bioware pull something similar. Obviously EA is unlikely going to spend too much on revamping the game but I would love to see fans pushing Bioware to a move that can be crucial in demonstrating a level of passion and commitment that I believe Bioware still have.
I want this game to be more. One can argue that you can't really fix some of the poor writing but Bioware can address the technical issues that have plagued the game (e.g fixing the facial animation, make traveling to planets not be a chore/toggle option, adding quality of life changes in the gameplay).
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Post by fenris on Mar 23, 2017 14:15:30 GMT
I actually support this completely. I think just fixing the face animation + a little revamped UI for some of the menus, and this game is GotY material.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 23, 2017 14:23:01 GMT
I actually support this completely. I think just fixing the face animation + a little revamped UI for some of the menus, and this game is GotY material. ...and clean up/expend on all the plot and quest inconsistencies.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 23, 2017 14:23:05 GMT
OP, a similar thought had crossed my mind. However, I would be frankly extremely surprised if anything like the enhanced editions of TW1 & TW2 actually came to be.
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Post by empirex on Mar 23, 2017 14:23:50 GMT
They said they wanted to support the game for a while.
Obviously some patches here and there can help but I want to see a bolder move to tackle the bigger technical issues surrounding the game.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 23, 2017 14:42:26 GMT
They said they wanted to support the game for a while. Obviously some patches here and there can help but I want to see a bolder move to tackle the bigger technical issues surrounding the game. Yea, that's nice and all, but I doubt they even are aware of all the little problems this game suffers from...
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 23, 2017 15:38:05 GMT
Lol, still remember the 11GB TW2 enhance edition (patch). It basically re-do 30% of chapter 2 and 60% of chapter 3 with new characters story lines, game modes and much better overall experiences with the price tag of $0.
I'm honestly would not believe EA will approve any attempt like that.
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Post by empirex on Mar 23, 2017 15:47:15 GMT
They said they wanted to support the game for a while. Obviously some patches here and there can help but I want to see a bolder move to tackle the bigger technical issues surrounding the game. Yea, that's nice and all, but I doubt they even are aware of all the little problems this game suffers from... Oh? I see no reason to think they don't. I am utterly skeptical that they didn't know that the facial animation doesn't suck. They simply ran out of time.
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Post by sky on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:21 GMT
Lol, still remember the 11GB TW2 enhance edition (patch). It basically re-do 30% of chapter 2 and 60% of chapter 3 with new characters story lines, game modes and much better overall experiences with the price tag of $0. I don't. Why? Because most people have moved on. TW2 will largely be remembered for its notorious performance issues and the 'supersampling' feature that was supposed to future proof the game and push modern hardware. Sure it's nice that they still continued to work on it bigly and all, but they also have the benefit of owning only one IP. The good thing is that they have more time to focus their time and resources on the franchise. The bad thing is that the future of their company pretty much rests on that franchise, so they sort of had to fix it up or people would have permanently lost faith in them. While it would be nice for EA/BW to do this somewhere down the line, it is mostly wishful thinking, and comparing apples to oranges.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 23, 2017 16:15:57 GMT
Yea, that's nice and all, but I doubt they even are aware of all the little problems this game suffers from... Oh? I see no reason to think they don't. I am utterly skeptical that they didn't know that the facial animation doesn't suck. They simply ran out of time. Yea, that's the big stuff though... I stopped counting how many small plot progression, journal, codex and UI errors there are.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 23, 2017 16:21:09 GMT
Lol, still remember the 11GB TW2 enhance edition (patch). It basically re-do 30% of chapter 2 and 60% of chapter 3 with new characters story lines, game modes and much better overall experiences with the price tag of $0. I don't. Why? Because most people have moved on. TW2 will largely be remembered for its notorious performance issues and the 'supersampling' feature that was supposed to future proof the game and push modern hardware. Sure it's nice that they still continued to work on it bigly and all, but they also have the benefit of owning only one IP. The good thing is that they have more time to focus their time and resources on the franchise. The bad thing is that the future of their company pretty much rests on that franchise, so they sort of had to fix it up or people would have permanently lost faith in them. While it would be nice for EA/BW to do this somewhere down the line, it is mostly wishful thinking, and comparing apples to oranges. Indeed, TW2's failure just happened to save CDPR from bankruptcy, established loyal fan base, and tune out the fantastic RedEngine 2.0 and eventually lead to the legendary TW3. I would pay for any failures from CDPR since TW2.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 23, 2017 16:32:51 GMT
I wouldn't expect them to fix up things like certain facial animations, because that would require them re-doing the animation work entirely.
As other people noted with CDPR The Witcher was their only series at the time(even now, Cyberpunk has little more than an announcement that they're making it) and everything they had was riding on that series doing well.
As much as I'd hate to see it die, BioWare has ditched IPs plenty of times before and still has Dragon Age as well as their new IP in the making on top of being a well established brand(something that CDPR wasn't at the time of TW1). They could probably stop making Mass Effect and be just fine.
Some of the other technical issue could end up being fixed in a patch at some point, though.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 23, 2017 18:05:05 GMT
It's probably going to be a patch improvements and free content vs an enhanced edition.
Makes the most sense really. Increasing bits and pieces here and there to make the game a bit more palatable for people.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
Frankly I'd be just ok if they managed to fix the troublesome issues with facial animation, but I may be one of those few ridiculous people that love the space travel animation.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 23, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
It's probably going to be a patch improvements and free content vs an enhanced edition. Makes the most sense really. Increasing bits and pieces here and there to make the game a bit more palatable for people. Although, an outright EE would sound better in marketing... but it would take quite some time (I guess at least a year, especially if they plan on doing other stuff on the side too), so I dunno if it would be forth it.
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Post by Rannik on Mar 23, 2017 18:36:43 GMT
I would rather see them move on to (hopefully) ME:Andromeda 2 after some post-ending DLC / small expansions.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 23, 2017 18:41:09 GMT
Then again... maybe they should fix the game first.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 23, 2017 18:43:00 GMT
Frankly I'd be just ok if they managed to fix the troublesome issues with facial animation, but I may be one of those few ridiculous people that love the space travel animation. I love the space travel system too. The only thing I find a bit annoying is the "close up/fade back" one you arrive/depart a destination. It's a bit too long and feels clunky.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 23, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
Same suggestion I wrote to the guys on Twitter and in topics. Give the animations an extra pass, polish up the game, rearrange some of the UI and stuff.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 18:52:30 GMT
Same suggestion I wrote to the guys on Twitter and in topics. Give the animations an extra pass, polish up the game, rearrange some of the UI and stuff. I can agree with this. I keep complaining about options for controller configuration, but unless I'm doing something wrong, I'm sure catching my ass to find a setup I'm truly comfortable with. I'd be happy as a pig in clover if I could map indivual functions to each button as I see fit.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 23, 2017 18:54:34 GMT
Same suggestion I wrote to the guys on Twitter and in topics. Give the animations an extra pass, polish up the game, rearrange some of the UI and stuff. I can agree with this. I keep complaining about options for controller configuration, but unless I'm doing something wrong, I'm sure catching my ass to find a setup I'm truly comfortable with. I'd be happy as a pig in clover if I could map indivual functions to each button as I see fit. If you're on PC you can, and if you use Accessibility on PS4 you can. Dunno about XB1.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2017 18:55:12 GMT
I'll have to give that a try. Thanks Linkguy.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 23, 2017 19:43:05 GMT
I would rather see them move on to (hopefully) ME:Andromeda 2 after some post-ending DLC / small expansions. Don't. If they gonna half ass a game, as sad as I am to say it, let the franchise die and focus on the new IP or the 4th Dragon Age (has a much much MUCH better setup than ME:A btw) if only to restore some of the reputation at least if they can after what they did to Mass Effect.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 23, 2017 19:43:32 GMT
It's probably going to be a patch improvements and free content vs an enhanced edition. Makes the most sense really. Increasing bits and pieces here and there to make the game a bit more palatable for people. Although, an outright EE would sound better in marketing... but it would take quite some time (I guess at least a year, especially if they plan on doing other stuff on the side too), so I dunno if it would be forth it. Considering the announcement already...not happening.
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Post by Rannik on Mar 23, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
I would rather see them move on to (hopefully) ME:Andromeda 2 after some post-ending DLC / small expansions. Don't. If they gonna half ass a game, as sad as I am to say it, let the franchise die or the 4th Dragon Age (has a much much MUCH better setup than ME:A btw) if only to restore some of the reputation at least if they can after what they did to Mass Effect. Like they let Dragon Age die after the vastly bigger DA2 clusterfuck? If they didn't drop a franchise after a game that was a meme as whole, they won't drop another after a perfectly fine game with meme animations.
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