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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 5:53:28 GMT
I said it in my review: unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2017/03/mass-effect-andromeda-review.htmlThis is an apology game for ME3. It makes up for all of the common complaints about ME3 but doesn't really do anything new. Hell, it feels very much like ME1. Almost identical in some places. All designed to make fans of the series comfortable with the new direction and wash the bad taste out of fan's mouths.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 5:57:19 GMT
Wait, are you saying this is a good thing or a bad thing because I liked the Force Awakens, and I like MEA as well?
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Post by The Sith Emperor on Mar 30, 2017 6:06:34 GMT
The Force Awakens was better received than Mass Effect Andromeda. The only legitimate criticism for TFA is the fact that the director played it too safe. Criticism for MEA is directed towards the half-assery of the game's animation, story, and world building.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 30, 2017 6:07:47 GMT
Okay first of TFA was a homage to fans of the old trilogy while giving us a new story with new characters and a new direction to go in. ME:A was an attempt to make another mass effect game in the same universe. It doesn't pay homage to the OT (well there's the odd cameo but that's not the same thing). Andromeda feels like "a brand new world" it takes more steps to separate from the OT than to harmonize with it.
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Post by House Targaryen on Mar 30, 2017 6:08:13 GMT
Yes, I know its a great game.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 6:15:27 GMT
Okay first of TFA was a homage to fans of the old trilogy while giving us a new story with new characters and a new direction to go in. ME:A was an attempt to make another mass effect game in the same universe. It doesn't pay homage to the OT (well there's the odd cameo but that's not the same thing). Andromeda feels like "a brand new world" it takes more steps to separate from the OT than to harmonize with it. * Zaeed's son * Conrad Verner's sister * The N7 armor * The fact the whole game actually wholesale incorporates all of the aliens from the Milky Way * The fact the Tempest is Normandy lite * The Nomad is Mako 2.0 * The Nexus is literally the Citadel 2.0 in feel * You have two human squadmates, an Asari Archaeologist, a renegade Turian, a veteran Krogan, and an odd Alien out * You have your second Scottish engineer * The Kett are very Collectory * Lots of exploring old Prothean Remnant Ruins. It feels very very Mass Effect.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 30, 2017 6:36:59 GMT
Okay first of TFA was a homage to fans of the old trilogy while giving us a new story with new characters and a new direction to go in. ME:A was an attempt to make another mass effect game in the same universe. It doesn't pay homage to the OT (well there's the odd cameo but that's not the same thing). Andromeda feels like "a brand new world" it takes more steps to separate from the OT than to harmonize with it. * Zaeed's son * Conrad Verner's sister * The N7 armor * The fact the whole game actually wholesale incorporates all of the aliens from the Milky Way * The fact the Tempest is Normandy lite * The Nomad is Mako 2.0 * The Nexus is literally the Citadel 2.0 in feel * You have two human squadmates, an Asari Archaeologist, a renegade Turian, a veteran Krogan, and an odd Alien out * You have your second Scottish engineer * The Kett are very Collectory * Lots of exploring old Prothean Remnant Ruins. It feels very very Mass Effect. So what I see is 1) small side quest that referances a dlc squadmate 2) extremely small cameo that people can miss 3) This on is fair as N7 armor is damned iconic 4) Except quarians, volus, hanar. drell, and bartarians. 5) Fair but I don't really see how you avoid that. 6) Yep that's what they wanted, a better mako. 7) I agree that's what they intended but in my opinion they failed. 8) Bioware loves archetypes with squadmates 9) I wasn't aware Gil was scottish? 10) Kett feel more like borg to me 11) Did we explore a lot of prothean ruins in the OT? outside of ME1 ofc. All in all, Yes, some things are like Mass effect as it should be but is it an intentional homage to the OT? No. The force awakens clearly shows its roots in the original trilogy of star wars at every turn you don't have to take a film studies class to see that. Now ME:A takes more turns away from the OT in my opinion it very clearly makes a mark with starting over and exploring a new galaxy. The OT was more about saving the galaxy.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 6:40:38 GMT
You're welcome to disagree.
But I point out you still save the entire Helius Cluster too.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 30, 2017 7:02:25 GMT
They're both rehashed & tired run of the mill, popcorn mass market productions. Both a collection of a bland barage of old worn out tropes. Science fiction for people who dont actually like science fiction etc... So yeah i'd agree that MEA is the TFA of the Mass Effect series. You definitly got a point there OP.
Although i dont agree its an apology game for ME3. I say that as in some ways some of the underlying core game design & mechanics and above all the general direction(ie too many shit tier fetch quests, crap writing, cut-down dialogue trees, hardly any meaty side missions, hardly any/no side missions where we got to land & explore on unknown worlds found whilst randomly scanning a planet(and not just collect some statue or some junk crap), few hubs, multiplayer, half-assed and rushed in many places etc) that ME3 was taking the Mass Effect franchise in have been continued on and even got worse in Andromeda. If there is an apology its a very small one.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 7:15:24 GMT
They're both rehashed & tired run of the mill, popcorn mass market productions. Both a collection of a bland barage of old worn out tropes. Science fiction for people who dont actually like science fiction etc... So yeah i'd agree that MEA is the TFA of the Mass Effect series. You definitly got a point there OP. Although i dont agree its an apology game for ME3. I say that as in some ways some of the underlying core game design & mechanics and above all the general direction(ie too many shit tier fetch quests, crap writing, cut-down dialogue trees, hardly any meaty side missions, hardly any/no side missions where we got to land & explore on unknown worlds found whilst randomly scanning a planet(and not just collect some statue or some junk crap), few hubs, multiplayer, half-assed and rushed in many places etc) that ME3 was taking the Mass Effect franchise in have been continued on and even got worse in Andromeda. If there is an apology its a very small one. I don't think that "science fiction for people who don't like science fiction" is a terribly meaningful description when trying to criticize a piece of work, because all that really says is that it's more accessible, but it doesn't speak to the quality. It's more of a snobbish descriptor that gets more regard than it deserves, to be frank. There is a certain irony, however, in criticizing a game for using old tropes when its predecessors are basically a collage of old scifi tropes of classic films and television. In any case, I wouldn't agree that MEA is really an apology game, insofar that it simply seals the Milky Way's fate away to our collective imaginations by ignoring the outcomes of the endings altogether now centuries later.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 30, 2017 7:17:18 GMT
Unless you're saying TFA was full of gameplay bugs this doesn't make sense. This seems less like an apology and more like something that deserves an apology.
Fun combat though.
*Thumbs up*
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Post by vanillah on Mar 30, 2017 7:22:14 GMT
Except, you know, Force Awakens is actually good.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 7:23:18 GMT
Except, you know, Force Awakens is actually good. According to this forum it's actually terrible. But then, if I learned anything from this forum, it's that everything is kind of terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 7:26:47 GMT
but the game is nowhere near as good as mass effect 1. It's just an average game with a terrible game engine.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 7:33:57 GMT
but the game is nowhere near as good as mass effect 1. It's just an average game with a terrible game engine. ME1 is a shit storm of a game when it comes to combat and general game play. The only things I really care about.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 30, 2017 7:43:35 GMT
but the game is nowhere near as good as mass effect 1. It's just an average game with a terrible game engine. ME1 is a shit storm of a game when it comes to combat and general game play. The only things I really care about. I have to agree ME1 had a good story everything else was not fun or poorly done.
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Post by neoiceman on Mar 30, 2017 8:00:47 GMT
Okay first of TFA was a homage to fans of the old trilogy while giving us a new story with new characters and a new direction to go in. ME:A was an attempt to make another mass effect game in the same universe. It doesn't pay homage to the OT (well there's the odd cameo but that's not the same thing). Andromeda feels like "a brand new world" it takes more steps to separate from the OT than to harmonize with it. * Zaeed's son * Conrad Verner's sister * The N7 armor * The fact the whole game actually wholesale incorporates all of the aliens from the Milky Way * The fact the Tempest is Normandy lite * The Nomad is Mako 2.0 * The Nexus is literally the Citadel 2.0 in feel * You have two human squadmates, an Asari Archaeologist, a renegade Turian, a veteran Krogan, and an odd Alien out * You have your second Scottish engineer * The Kett are very Collectory * Lots of exploring old Prothean Remnant Ruins. It feels very very Mass Effect. 1) referances to an dlc squadmate 2) yes really cool 3) your father was an N7 in this game, so the armor should be implemented 4) Except 3/4 of the whole MilkyWay species 5) Like many other ships, because this design is an cooporation between Turians and Humans 6) and what about the M29a / b and VT7 7) Why not? the design is good and you dont have any weakpoint on the outside only armor 8) dont get the probleme here 9) the scotts have really good engineers, and i think it should be an homage to ST 10) they have some in comon but its an biological race compared to an cybernetic Organism 11) The cricle of life, yet you are the greatest and later on you die, ask some of the old Homo Erectus or Homo Ergaster. Use your Brain for other things than whining, please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 8:30:08 GMT
but the game is nowhere near as good as mass effect 1. It's just an average game with a terrible game engine. ME1 is a shit storm of a game when it comes to combat and general game play. The only things I really care about. MEA : Combat is good, general gameplay is boring. The story is just meh. ME1 had a very very decent story, gameplay was good, combat was poor. They should have just named MEA Mass effect Inquisition with added bugs.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 30, 2017 8:36:55 GMT
ME1 had a very very decent story Saren didn't need the conduit, he had spectre access to the chamber where the control panel is. ME1 should have been over before it started. Great story.
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Post by neoiceman on Mar 30, 2017 8:52:17 GMT
ME1 had a very very decent story Saren didn't need the conduit, he had spectre access to the chamber where the control panel is. ME1 should have been over before it started. Great story. First after all the Reaper has to know what happend and at this time this fucking thing dont know why the citadel dont answer the call, they have to figure it out and after that Saren had no Spectre status anymore.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 30, 2017 9:04:19 GMT
Saren didn't need the conduit, he had spectre access to the chamber where the control panel is. ME1 should have been over before it started. Great story. First after all the Reaper has to know what happend and at this time this fucking thing dont know why the citadel dont answer the call, they have to figure it out and after that Saren had no Spectre status anymore. Except Saren lost his status after the attack on Eden Prime which he targeted to gain access to the Prothean beacon to find the Conduit and Sovereign wanted him to find the Conduit to gain access to the Citadel because the Citadel through the Keepers weren't responding to his commands. img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/stat202/Reaction%20GIFs/DeepBreathTony.gif Basically, Saren lost his Spectre status as a result of him attempting to find the Conduit, not as a result of him investigating the loss of connection between the Keepers and Sovereign or attempting to activate the Citadel. He could have investigated the Keepers and manually activated the Citadel for Sovereign without losing his Spectre license and becoming a fugitive. He never would have needed to go after the Conduit. Conduit should only have been necessary after he became a fugitive, not before.
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Post by havox on Mar 30, 2017 9:39:57 GMT
You're right, OP. I didn't think about it but there's eerie amount of similarities between the two.
Both are poor reboots of the originals with big loyal fan base, with lots of lore-breaking nonsense. Both try to cash-in backpiggying off the originals fame. TFA stars a diversity hire for Finn whose main accomplishment is being black. MEA has Liam. TFA has a literal Mary Sue good at absolutely everything from laser sword-fighting to piloting to repairing bots the moment she tries it for the first time. Bioware has a long history of overusing the strong warrior woman trope, MEA has Cora. SW series is dead to me but I re-watch the original trilogy every few years and pretend the later titles didn't happen. Mass Effect series is dead to me but I re-play the original ME1 and pretend the later titles didn't happen. Amazing, OP!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 9:46:49 GMT
Atleast its not Attack of the Clones, am i right?
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Post by havox on Mar 30, 2017 9:49:54 GMT
At least it's not Attack of the Clones. George Lucas should get a Nuremberg Trial for Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 30, 2017 9:51:30 GMT
ME1 is a shit storm of a game when it comes to combat and general game play. The only things I really care about. I have to agree ME1 had a good story everything else was not fun or poorly done. But the story is really bad and full of plot holes and impossibilities. Tali's timeline, for instance, is absolutely impossible.
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