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Post by smilesja on Apr 3, 2017 7:57:55 GMT
Honestly if there's one criticism (positive or negative, mind you, for any game) that I disregard for most reviews, it's about the writing. Not only is it way too broad an aspect to tackle (what's good or bad? The characters? world building? The theme? the main plot? that's all ''writing''), they almost never go into any details as to why it's good/bad. At best you get a handful of cherry picked lines that usually aren't very representative. You can say it doesn't grab you, I guess, but that's not really the same thing. As you said, for all the praise it rightfully gets about its character writing, ME2's main plot writing was easily the worst in the series until the endings came along. Complaints about "the writing" are usually about what characters say, and here I agree with the review - too much of MEA's writing is anything between generic garbage and hilariously inane. Many main character interaction scenes with your team, meanwhile, are ok in that regard but tend to be a little boring. Mass Effect's writing was never what I'd call good, but MEA lowers the standards quite a bit. Also, consider the delivery. I really didn't like Jack in ME2, and I often thought she shouldn't have been on the team, but wasn't she so lifelike she almost jumped out of the screen? In ME2 and ME3 both, regardless of whether what she actually said made much sense in context? I'm not seeing any of MEA's characters even coming close to that. And don't get me started about the worldbuilding and the main plot. Another "alien" species that's just reskinned humans, and even more so than some MET species were. Another "We're turning you into X" plot. Unnecessary reinterpretations of the lore, inconsistencies, comments that make no sense. I may be a little more sensitive to that kind of thing than most people, but the angara and the main plot should be obvious as being utterly uninspired. Can't we expect something *a little* different after travelling to a new galaxy? Man I felt the interactions were among the best in ME:A . The characters took on a life of their own interacting not with you but with each other, making it feel realistic and a step up from the MET. I'd hardly find the writing (so far) to be generic garbage and hilariously inane, and I found the Angara to be unique and interesting from their concept of family and how they handle their emotions. The Remant seemed to be interesting as well, really looking forward to see how they tie up to Andromeda.
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Post by vanillah on Apr 3, 2017 7:58:14 GMT
40 hours is a long time to realize that you don't like something. I'm pretty sure a completionist playthrough of either ME2 or 3 clock well under that. It's called giving it a fair chance. I didn't stop when i was bored not having a good time, i was bored after 15 or so hours. I stopped when i literally could not stand this game any longer, that happens to be 40 hours in.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 3, 2017 7:58:42 GMT
Judging others for having a favorable opinion? Maybe you should look into why they don't find the animations or find the story good or why they easily got the crafting system. Uh, I've looked into why others don't find the animations or the story to be any good - it's because they're not good... I think your face might still be tired, as that sentence is saying two different things. Fixed my post, and why don't you talk to the people and ask why the liked rather going into insults?
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 3, 2017 8:00:42 GMT
Angry joe is an Idiot. On mankind divided he was THROWING CARBOXES on npcs. He is not skilled at all and his cattle followers believe him blindly. his fanbase sure is not going to buy this game. Same for deus ex whcih got slammed in sales. He is an Idiot. I don't really follow this guy much, but I did enjoy his Destiny review. As a fan, he was pretty spot on about that game, but I think most people agree universally on the things that game gets right and wrong, so there's that, regardless of how much they actually like or dislike it.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 3, 2017 8:01:52 GMT
40 hours is a long time to realize that you don't like something. I'm pretty sure a completionist playthrough of either ME2 or 3 clock well under that. I played for around 30 and I despised the game. What kept me going was the hope that things would get better - that Bioware was just laying the groundwork for an amazing story, and that the writing would improve, but it didn't. I would overlook all of the game's issues if I didn't find the main plot and characters to be so boring.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 3, 2017 8:02:56 GMT
Uh, I've looked into why others don't find the animations or the story to be any good - it's because they're not good... I think your face might still be tired, as that sentence is saying two different things. Fixed my post, and why don't you talk to the people and ask why the liked rather going into insults? I'll try and be nicer.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 3, 2017 8:02:59 GMT
40 hours is a long time to realize that you don't like something. I'm pretty sure a completionist playthrough of either ME2 or 3 clock well under that. It's called giving it a fair chance. I didn't stop when i was bored not having a good time, i was bored after 15 or so hours. I stopped when i literally could not stand this game any longer, that happens to be 40 hours in. I'm surprised you didn't just skip a lot of the other stuff and go straight to the central campaign just to see how it ends. It alone certainly doesn't weigh in nearly that long. But then this is sort of an issue I've been having with TW3. I know it's supposed to be a great game and it looks spectacular, but I don't know if I'll ever complete it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
I really didn't like Jack in ME2, and I often thought she shouldn't have been on the team, but wasn't she so lifelike she almost jumped out of the screen? In ME2 and ME3 both, regardless of whether what she actually said made much sense in context? I'm not seeing any of MEA's characters even coming close to that. She didn't seem lifelike to me. It's hard to convince me that she would go to work for Cerberus after what they did to her. It's also hard for me to be convinced that someone as unstable as she should have been after enduring the trauma that they said she went through from such a young age would realistically be a good candidate to have as a squadmate either.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 3, 2017 8:07:09 GMT
I really didn't like Jack in ME2, and I often thought she shouldn't have been on the team, but wasn't she so lifelike she almost jumped out of the screen? In ME2 and ME3 both, regardless of whether what she actually said made much sense in context? I'm not seeing any of MEA's characters even coming close to that. She didn't seem lifelike to me. It's hard to convince me that she would go to work for Cerberus after what they did to her. It's also hard for me to be convinced that someone as unstable as she should have been after enduring the trauma that they said she went through from such a young age would realistically be a good candidate to have as a squadmate either. Well, that's where the whole leave her to die option should have been available. Since I'm a quest fiend and always take all squadmates, I wouldn't have, but it would have made sense to decide "Nope I don't want this on my ship".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 8:13:35 GMT
She didn't seem lifelike to me. It's hard to convince me that she would go to work for Cerberus after what they did to her. It's also hard for me to be convinced that someone as unstable as she should have been after enduring the trauma that they said she went through from such a young age would realistically be a good candidate to have as a squadmate either. Well, that's where the whole leave her to die option should have been available. Since I'm a quest fiend and always take all squadmates, I wouldn't have, but it would have made sense to decide "Nope I don't want this on my ship". Or have her refuse and she escapes the place and never is recruited, or dies in the process. I understand it's a game and all that's fine, I just don't view the character in a realistic way.
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Post by vanillah on Apr 3, 2017 8:15:19 GMT
It's called giving it a fair chance. I didn't stop when i was bored not having a good time, i was bored after 15 or so hours. I stopped when i literally could not stand this game any longer, that happens to be 40 hours in. I'm surprised you didn't just skip a lot of the other stuff and go straight to the central campaign just to see how it ends. It alone certainly doesn't weigh in nearly that long. But then this is sort of an issue I've been having with TW3. I know it's supposed to be a great game and it looks spectacular, but I don't know if I'll ever complete it. Yeah, i don't play games like that, if it's in my quest log or on the map - I'm doing it. I've 100% TW3 and DLCs twice, and right after that i spent 100++hours 100% Xenoblade Chronicles X. Couldn't do it with ME:A and i didn't care about story enough to want to abandon side quests and finish it.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 3, 2017 8:24:46 GMT
I wish I had that amount of free time to waste on something I'm bored by! Those were the days.
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Post by KLGChaos on Apr 3, 2017 8:33:30 GMT
Complaints about "the writing" are usually about what characters say, and here I agree with the review - too much of MEA's writing is anything between generic garbage and hilariously inane. Many main character interaction scenes with your team, meanwhile, are ok in that regard but tend to be a little boring. Mass Effect's writing was never what I'd call good, but MEA lowers the standards quite a bit. Also, consider the delivery. I really didn't like Jack in ME2, and I often thought she shouldn't have been on the team, but wasn't she so lifelike she almost jumped out of the screen? In ME2 and ME3 both, regardless of whether what she actually said made much sense in context? I'm not seeing any of MEA's characters even coming close to that. And don't get me started about the worldbuilding and the main plot. Another "alien" species that's just reskinned humans, and even more so than some MET species were. Another "We're turning you into X" plot. Unnecessary reinterpretations of the lore, inconsistencies, comments that make no sense. I may be a little more sensitive to that kind of thing than most people, but the angara and the main plot should be obvious as being utterly uninspired. Can't we expect something *a little* different after travelling to a new galaxy? Man I felt the interactions were among the best in ME:A . The characters took on a life of their own interacting not with you but with each other, making it feel realistic and a step up from the MET. I'd hardly find the writing (so far) to be generic garbage and hilariously inane, and I found the Angara to be unique and interesting from their concept of family and how they handle their emotions. The Remant seemed to be interesting as well, really looking forward to see how they tie up to Andromeda. Agreed. There's a lot of ambient dialogue between the characters and different teams react differently to each other. Liam and Vetra don't really get along, Vetra and Peebee argue but actually like each other, Peebee and Jaal are hilarious, and Peebee and Drack have a nice bond. I use Peebee a lot because she's had the most memorable interactions for me.
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Apr 3, 2017 8:47:03 GMT
I'd personally rate ME:A 8/10 SP and 10/10 MP because most of its issues are either exaggerated or have no impact on my enjoyment of the game. Worst thing I've encountered is that one achievement, Hang Time, apparently cannot be completed on PC without controller. Everything else were just minor glitches that I don't give a single fuck about, error message Tampering Detected, Game Will Now Exit even amused me.
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Post by blaw on Apr 3, 2017 10:17:33 GMT
Ah, Angry Joe. He might be one of the only reviewer that says his honest opinion and also gives shit to publisher/developers, but I stopped caring about his opinions on games a long time ago. He is either so emotional about franchises he loves that he completely ignores problems (Skyrim 10/10, Fallout 8/10 seriously? ) or he blows things out of porpotion. But I liked that he took his time with Andromeda, unlike other youtubers who came up with reviews before lunchday.
By the way, you don't even have to read the comments on his video to know that it is full of small minds complaining about the existence of gays and one racist developer.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 3, 2017 10:19:19 GMT
Well, I kinda was tempted to say "git gud", because for all of MEA's faults, the combat is the one thing that is properly solid. To be perfectly frank, it seems more likely to me that perhaps you're just not good at it, and blame the game. What the fuck ever. The jumping in this game is shit if you play on anything higher than normal. The combos are shit. The cover system is shit. The only power that I've seen (and I've seen quite a bit) that seems worth a damn is biotic charge. Take a look at any video on SP MEA, and you'll see it. You've got BioWare coming out Tuesday to apologize for the game, but ya know what? You just keep on telling yourself I need to git gud.Git good or play on a lower level. Simple enough. I haven't had any problems except maybe the singularity could be buffed just a bit. The game plays more like 3rd person destiny with the option to use cover. If you're playing it like the old mass Effect games, you're not going to do very well.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 3, 2017 10:20:53 GMT
Ah, Angry Joe. He might be one of the only reviewer that says his honest opinion and also gives shit to publisher/developers, but I stopped caring about his opinions on games a long time ago. He is either so emotional about franchises he loves that he completely ignores problems (Skyrim 10/10, Fallout 8/10 seriously? ) or he blows things out of porpotion. But I liked that he took his time with Andromeda, unlike other youtubers who came up with reviews before lunchday. By the way, you don't even have to read the comments on his video to know that it is full of small minds complaining about the existence of gays and one racist developer. Fallout 4 was a closer to a 9/10 IMO. The complaints from people were so petty
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Post by blaw on Apr 3, 2017 10:28:32 GMT
Ah, Angry Joe. He might be one of the only reviewer that says his honest opinion and also gives shit to publisher/developers, but I stopped caring about his opinions on games a long time ago. He is either so emotional about franchises he loves that he completely ignores problems (Skyrim 10/10, Fallout 8/10 seriously? ) or he blows things out of porpotion. But I liked that he took his time with Andromeda, unlike other youtubers who came up with reviews before lunchday. By the way, you don't even have to read the comments on his video to know that it is full of small minds complaining about the existence of gays and one racist developer. Fallout 4 was a closer to a 9/10 IMO. The complaints from people were so petty Well, to quote my F4 Review on Steam -ridiculously bad facial expressions - No big side quests like in Skyrim - bad writing in the main story line: Forced choices and dialoge options (and that from a company that holds player freedom precious) F4 tries to be moraly grey but sacrifices player freedom, a coherent story and pacing for it. Feels like a last minute addition to the game (someone at Bethesda was playing to much Witcher3? ) - retcons -In general to many plot holes and too few well written plot points to make up for it -Too many loading screens. Even for small buldings -Dumbing down of the level system - No atmosphere or feeling (at least for me): The world of F4 doesn't feel brutal or unforgiving like FNW or F3 does. Companions and some NPCs don't die, there is a power armor behind every corner, exploration doesn't feel dangerous and thrilling. I think it is by far worse than Andromeda.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 3, 2017 10:48:41 GMT
I'd personally rate ME:A 8/10 SP and 10/10 MP because most of its issues are either exaggerated or have no impact on my enjoyment of the game. Worst thing I've encountered is that one achievement, Hang Time, apparently cannot be completed on PC without controller. Everything else were just minor glitches that I don't give a single fuck about, error message Tampering Detected, Game Will Now Exit even amused me. How can you say on one hand you haven't experienced many bugs or glitches, and then on the other say the issues are being exaggerated?
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Post by Archangel on Apr 3, 2017 10:49:54 GMT
AJ has really gone down hill IMHO. He spreads himself too thin doing stupid shit movie reviews and rapid fire reviews and tabletop game reviews and whatever.
Joe seems to follow the herd these days. He panned Quantum Break which was an amazing game. It got a bad rap though because it was more story than fragging mooks...and no multiplayer.
The herd has decided to whine about MEA, so he falls in line with them.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 3, 2017 10:53:26 GMT
Yeah, if I had to rate ME:A I would give it something like 6 or 7. Without the bad animations I would give it 7 or 8. The facial animations were the reason I ended up buying this game, as Joe says, best laugh I've ever had in Mass Effect.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 3, 2017 11:14:31 GMT
I agree with his friend more than him. 7/10 is what I would give it and I liked the Angarrans once I learned more about them from side content, also the Angarran leaders seemed stronger characters to me than the milky way leaders. It's kinda telling Joe says he wants the aliens to be more alien and then talks about how gross Jaal and Turians are naked, the more alien a character is the harder it is to make them relatable. Bioware could maybe have gone with a bit more alien than they did but I don't really agree that it's an issue.
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Post by Archangel on Apr 3, 2017 11:15:38 GMT
Angry joe is an Idiot. On mankind divided he was THROWING CARBOXES on npcs. He is not skilled at all and his cattle followers believe him blindly. his fanbase sure is not going to buy this game. Same for deus ex whcih got slammed in sales. He is an Idiot. He seems to not be good at any games that are more intellectual than "frag everything".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 11:18:39 GMT
Angry joe is an Idiot. On mankind divided he was THROWING CARBOXES on npcs. He is not skilled at all and his cattle followers believe him blindly. his fanbase sure is not going to buy this game. Same for deus ex whcih got slammed in sales. He is an Idiot. He seems to not be good at any games that are more intellectual than "frag everything".
to be fair, his review does give the game some credit. His overall score is imo bang on.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 3, 2017 11:28:24 GMT
It is ironic how people fail to see the main reason behind Joe's criticism, which is as many of us stated again and again are terrible character and dialogue writing, and impossibility to relate to protagonist on screen. If that was not the issue, this game could have scored a solid 8 or even 9, if story and characters were that good, out of 10 even with all its bugs, ui and animation problems, which all can be fixed unlike writing and dialogues. So 6/10 is where this game indeed stands - fun combat, beautiful environment, good performance, a solid foundation for a good game - all that makes half of the game hence half of the score, and its all more or less solid, put animations, some bugs and UI clankyness aside - 5/5 or (4.5/5 if you count in bugs), as for the second half of the score - story, characters, protagonist etc., it is clear 1 or 1.5 out of 5 at best. So 6/10 is what Andromeda really deserves.
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