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Post by laudable11 on Apr 3, 2017 23:55:04 GMT
Cora. She's all on that Asari dick.
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Post by Biodron on Apr 3, 2017 23:57:31 GMT
Liam, i still like him tho.
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Post by helx on Apr 4, 2017 0:14:37 GMT
Are there any human male squadmates in ME that aren't universally hated or ignored by this community? *armchair shrink mode on* It seems for some of you "I hate Liam" is code for "my fragile masculinity is threatened by another human male". Either that or racism (comparing him to Jacob? Really?) I like Peebee, but she fucked up big time too. But that's ok cuz she's a booblilicious space nymph, right? I don't dislike Liam. He just doesn't have any skills that impress or help me much. Same problem Jacob had. Better talk to Bioware on that bit of discrimination. ...and their characters were flat. I get the lack of impressive skills bit, but how is Liam's personality dull? His party banter is funny and his loyalty mission is amazing. Maybe Bioware should consider giving him a firm pair of breasts in the DLC to make him more intriguing. Also my comment about masculinity was obviously tongue-in-cheek, why is everyone so defensive all of a sudden? Am I onto something? Even if it was true, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way. I do however think it's wrong to justify your indifference by badmouthing the writing. In short: I think it's ok to say " I don't care about Liam because because he's a dude and I find other dudes boring" as opposed to "I don't care about Liam because he is badly written".
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Post by applesaucebandit on Apr 4, 2017 0:16:52 GMT
I could only vote for one, so I picked Jaal, but Liam is irritating, although I don't hate him. Sad to see my girl peebs in 3rd place
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Post by Nayawk on Apr 4, 2017 0:17:10 GMT
I don't actively hate any of the companions but I do like talking to Cora the least. I think its the fact she won't stop talking about bloody Asari commandos. If I had to pick a crew member that actually annoyed me it would be Suvi.
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Post by timebean on Apr 4, 2017 0:24:06 GMT
I don't dislike Liam. He just doesn't have any skills that impress or help me much. Same problem Jacob had. Better talk to Bioware on that bit of discrimination. ...and their characters were flat. I get the lack of impressive skills bit, but how is Liam's personality dull? His party banter is funny and his loyalty mission is amazing. Maybe Bioware should consider giving him a firm pair of breasts in the DLC to make him more intriguing. Also my comment about masculinity was obviously tongue-in-cheek, why is everyone so defensive all of a sudden? Am I onto something? Even if it was true, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way. I do however think it's wrong to justify your indifference by badmouthing the writing. In short: I think it's ok to say " I don't care about Liam because because he's a dude and I find other dudes boring" as opposed to "I don't care about Liam because he is badly written". Fair enough...except that I think Liam IS badly written. His actions make no sense given his position as part of the pathfinder team. He is supposed to RESPOND to crises (as he tells us in almost every single line of dialogue), not make them. The fact that he is such a liability makes him annoying, rather than endearing. And it is painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make him your best buddy who speaks from the heart, but I find his tone and words are rather heartless and selfish (and juvenile). I am woman, and I most definitely do not find dudes boring. I personally liked that ole meathead James Vega from the trilogy, because instead of trying to be your "brah", he had a bit of depth to him that was genuine (masculine and genuine all at once...one of the few times Bioware has pulled that one off). I think it is unfair to assume that all the 'hate' for Liam is from guys have 'other guy' issues. That is not what I have been reading in these posts at all. Aside from a few snide remarks here and there, most have been quite eloquent on the subject. So I am not sure where you are getting this idea from.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 4, 2017 0:34:42 GMT
I could only vote for one, so I picked Jaal, but Liam is irritating, although I don't hate him. Sad to see my girl peebs in 3rd place I adore Peebee, but I'm not surprised to see her in 3rd place. She's written to be polarizing and to push people's buttons, like Sera in DA:I.
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 4, 2017 0:44:09 GMT
Cora just annoys me. Shame too because that ass...
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Post by helx on Apr 4, 2017 0:44:23 GMT
I get the lack of impressive skills bit, but how is Liam's personality dull? His party banter is funny and his loyalty mission is amazing. Maybe Bioware should consider giving him a firm pair of breasts in the DLC to make him more intriguing. Also my comment about masculinity was obviously tongue-in-cheek, why is everyone so defensive all of a sudden? Am I onto something? Even if it was true, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way. I do however think it's wrong to justify your indifference by badmouthing the writing. In short: I think it's ok to say " I don't care about Liam because because he's a dude and I find other dudes boring" as opposed to "I don't care about Liam because he is badly written". Fair enough...except that I think Liam IS badly written. His actions make no sense given his position as part of the pathfinder team. He is supposed to RESPOND to crises (as he tells us in almost every single line of dialogue), not make them. The fact that he is such a liability makes him annoying, rather than endearing. And it is painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make him your best buddy who speaks from the heart, but I find his tone and words are rather heartless and selfish (and juvenile). I am woman, and I most definitely do not find dudes boring. I personally liked that ole meathead James Vega from the trilogy, because instead of trying to be your "brah", he had a bit of depth to him that was genuine (masculine and genuine all at once...one of the few times Bioware has pulled that one off). I think it is unfair to assume that all the 'hate' for Liam is from guys have 'other guy' issues. That is not what I have been reading in these posts at all. Aside from a few snide remarks here and there, most have been quite eloquent on the subject. So I am not sure where you are getting this idea from. Let's agree to disagree. I absolutely did't assume that 100% of male players feel that way, but I've seen some eyebrow raising remarks, such as "Liam is boring, but funny sometimes" (that's an oxymoron) or "I hate Liam because he fucks up" (so does Peebee. She gambles with Ryder's life for selfish reasons). Thank you for elaborating on the latter. Vega is universally despised and ranks pretty low among the OT characters btw, so there is that.
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Post by timebean on Apr 4, 2017 0:49:25 GMT
Fair enough...except that I think Liam IS badly written. His actions make no sense given his position as part of the pathfinder team. He is supposed to RESPOND to crises (as he tells us in almost every single line of dialogue), not make them. The fact that he is such a liability makes him annoying, rather than endearing. And it is painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make him your best buddy who speaks from the heart, but I find his tone and words are rather heartless and selfish (and juvenile). I am woman, and I most definitely do not find dudes boring. I personally liked that ole meathead James Vega from the trilogy, because instead of trying to be your "brah", he had a bit of depth to him that was genuine (masculine and genuine all at once...one of the few times Bioware has pulled that one off). I think it is unfair to assume that all the 'hate' for Liam is from guys have 'other guy' issues. That is not what I have been reading in these posts at all. Aside from a few snide remarks here and there, most have been quite eloquent on the subject. So I am not sure where you are getting this idea from. Let's agree to disagree. I absolutely did't assume that 100% of male players feel that way, but I've seen some eyebrow raising remarks, such as "Liam is boring, but funny sometimes" (that's an oxymoron) or "I hate Liam because he fucks up" (so does Peebee. She gambles with Ryder's life for selfish reasons). Thank you for elaborating on the latter. Vega is universally despised and ranks pretty low among the OT characters btw, so there is that. Poor Vega...I thought ole Freddie did a good job with his voice and the lines were delivered well. But he never got any love from the community.
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Post by Cannibal on Apr 4, 2017 0:54:38 GMT
Liam, or maybe Jaal.
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Post by rapscallioness on Apr 4, 2017 0:59:55 GMT
Liam is my least favorite which is a shame because he's the one I was looking most forward to....or to whom I was looking most forward..? eh
I don't like his voice acting. I don't like his lines. I don't like his character. And I really wanted to.
Cora- I think she has better voice acting than Liam, and she's okay, for reasons already stated she bothers a bit. Mind you, I don't "hate" these characters. Even Liam is fun to take out and hear some banter, but I think the human squadmates that are supposed to be your closest members, or at least important because they are a part of this whole thing-handpicked by your Dad, yet I feel they got the least amount of attention.
Vetra is my favorite. I like her subtle humor. I like them all...pretty much. I think they are all well voice acted except for Liam. Suvi and Kallo were awesome. Gil was okay.
I also think they used a different voice actor for Liam in that one trailer that has him say, "I've been waiting 600 years for this." It doesn't sound like the same voice in game when he says that line. I won't bet you $5.00 on it, but I remember thinking, "wait, that's not the same Liam I heard in the trailer.....is it? I don't think it is."
Good voice acting matters. For me, it can make or break a character, and characters can make or break story/game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 4, 2017 1:06:03 GMT
Humans are annoying. The fact that Jaal was the most commented figure before release, had the most posts in a thread (by far) in comparison to the other squadmates, may be indicative of something Bioware. Maybe people want new things instead of old ones. And surprisingly or not, that might mean species. An entire new galaxy, only two new alien species in which one of them is entirely antagonistic towards you. As reasonable as not having that many species in one cluster is, maybe that's the problem, it should not have been one cluster. Perhaps Andromeda had technology available for us to travel through the galaxy. The game isn't that bad at all, however. It just seems, as PeeBee puts it: "Been there, done that." I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Also didn't help that they went with Old Krogan Warrior again, and another Asari. I mean give us a Salarian, and if they had Quarians/Drell in from the start we could've had a squadmate extra and replaced Gil with a Quarian mechanic. So many missed oppurtunities. They played it safe, but way too safe. Gil - Replace with Quarian Engineer Liam - Rewrite Drack - Replace with Drell Peebee - Replace with Salarian Vetra - Keep for Turian female awesomeness Cora - Engineer that helped develop SAM Jaal - Stays Suvi - Stays Kallo - Stays What about Lexi?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 1:06:59 GMT
Also didn't help that they went with Old Krogan Warrior again, and another Asari. I mean give us a Salarian, and if they had Quarians/Drell in from the start we could've had a squadmate extra and replaced Gil with a Quarian mechanic. So many missed oppurtunities. They played it safe, but way too safe. Gil - Replace with Quarian Engineer Liam - Rewrite Drack - Replace with Drell Peebee - Replace with Salarian Vetra - Keep for Turian female awesomeness Cora - Engineer that helped develop SAM Jaal - Stays Suvi - Stays Kallo - Stays What about Lexi? Sorry forgot about Lexi, she gets to stay aswell.
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Post by melbella on Apr 4, 2017 1:13:36 GMT
I voted Cora as least favorite.
It took a long time in my first PT for the companions to grow on me and most of them did eventually, but Cora just comes across as annoying. She whines about Alec dying and not making her pathfinder but doesn't stop long enough to realize she's talking about YOUR DAD. You know, that whole death thing might be tough on Ryder too. That, plus her "we need the asari to save us" attitude after Ryder's been working his ass off getting things done and making places livable again. I just wanted to smack some sense into her.
Yes, finding the asari ark (and the turian and salarian arks) is important, but it's not priority number one when people are starving and literally eating each other. Ugh, that was a terrible (not badly done, just terrible) side quest.
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Post by doch on Apr 4, 2017 1:17:49 GMT
I don't dislike Liam. He just doesn't have any skills that impress or help me much. Same problem Jacob had. Better talk to Bioware on that bit of discrimination. ...and their characters were flat. I get the lack of impressive skills bit, but how is Liam's personality dull? His party banter is funny and his loyalty mission is amazing. Maybe Bioware should consider giving him a firm pair of breasts in the DLC to make him more intriguing. Also my comment about masculinity was obviously tongue-in-cheek, why is everyone so defensive all of a sudden? Am I onto something? Even if it was true, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way. I do however think it's wrong to justify your indifference by badmouthing the writing. In short: I think it's ok to say " I don't care about Liam because because he's a dude and I find other dudes boring" as opposed to "I don't care about Liam because he is badly written". So far, I think he is badly written. However, in fairness, I haven't done his loyalty mission yet. Kind of been avoiding it. Lol But I'll give him more of a chance. As I said, I don't hate the guy. Not everyone is going to become best pals. Reyes could've been that guy. His orientation doesn't bother me. Besides my "strings are attached" to Peebee.
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Post by bringbackgarrusnow on Apr 4, 2017 1:20:33 GMT
I didn't like Liam but I actually find him one of the better squadmates so far (that's not saying a lot). I'd say Cora because she's just boring and I don't like her VA. Vetra and Drack are pretty boring too. PeeBee has personality, unfortunately it's a really annoying one. Jaal's okay, like Liam. I really have not connected with any squadmates this time around though, sad to say. They all feel not fleshed out enough or just uninteresting.
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Post by Command0rk on Apr 4, 2017 1:33:17 GMT
Liam, sorry! I really wanted to like him, and I really like his VA. But I honestly had no idea what he was saying half the time, which is strange because I understand Sera clear as day. But he doesn't really say what he means. He just sort of blended into the background, the most interesting part of his character for me was his bromance with Jaal. I'm willing to give him another shot in my next playthrough, because I found with the trilogy it took multiple playthroughs for characters like Vega and Miranda to grow on me. But for now, he gets the vote by default. Everyone else is just better.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 4, 2017 1:37:50 GMT
Liam, sorry! I really wanted to like him, and I really like his VA. But I honestly had no idea what he was saying half the time, which is strange because I understand Sera clear as day. But he doesn't really say what he means. He just sort of blended into the background, the most interesting part of his character for me was his bromance with Jaal. I'm willing to give him another shot in my next playthrough, because I found with the trilogy it took multiple playthroughs for characters like Vega and Miranda to grow on me. But for now, he gets the vote by default. Everyone else is just better. That's a good point. Even Jacob grew on me over subsequent playthroughs. I liked him much, much better when playing as ManShep because I didn't have to tiptoe around the borderline sexual harassment dialogue.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 4, 2017 1:39:50 GMT
Liam, talking to him makes me want to bash my head against a wall. I want him to stop existing.
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Post by Command0rk on Apr 4, 2017 1:41:42 GMT
Liam, sorry! I really wanted to like him, and I really like his VA. But I honestly had no idea what he was saying half the time, which is strange because I understand Sera clear as day. But he doesn't really say what he means. He just sort of blended into the background, the most interesting part of his character for me was his bromance with Jaal. I'm willing to give him another shot in my next playthrough, because I found with the trilogy it took multiple playthroughs for characters like Vega and Miranda to grow on me. But for now, he gets the vote by default. Everyone else is just better. That's a good point. Even Jacob grew on me over subsequent playthroughs. I liked him much, much better when playing as ManShep because I didn't have to tiptoe around the borderline sexual harassment dialogue. This! I didn't appreciate Jacob until playing male Shepard either. And the same went for Vega, who is actually one of my favourites in the trilogy now.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 4, 2017 1:45:31 GMT
I don't dislike Liam. He just doesn't have any skills that impress or help me much. Same problem Jacob had. Better talk to Bioware on that bit of discrimination. ...and their characters were flat. I get the lack of impressive skills bit, but how is Liam's personality dull? His party banter is funny and his loyalty mission is amazing. Maybe Bioware should consider giving him a firm pair of breasts in the DLC to make him more intriguing. Also my comment about masculinity was obviously tongue-in-cheek, why is everyone so defensive all of a sudden? Am I onto something? Even if it was true, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way. I do however think it's wrong to justify your indifference by badmouthing the writing. In short: I think it's ok to say " I don't care about Liam because because he's a dude and I find other dudes boring" as opposed to "I don't care about Liam because he is badly written". I actually found Liam to be one of the major highlights to the cast. Sure, he's impulsive at times. He doesn't compare to anything Peebee does, however. Everybody seems to love her even though she almost got the Pathfinder killed. Maybe there is a double standard because she's a blue space babe with boobs? I was cracking up the entire time I was doing Liam's loyalty mission. It was an absolute blast and the Star Wars references were amazing. Unlike most of the human male companions before, Liam has A LOT of personality and was really down to earth. I don't really understand the Liam hate, but then again I thought Jacob was a cool character as well. They both seem like guys you could have a beer with and hang out.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 4, 2017 1:47:08 GMT
That's a good point. Even Jacob grew on me over subsequent playthroughs. I liked him much, much better when playing as ManShep because I didn't have to tiptoe around the borderline sexual harassment dialogue. This! I didn't appreciate Jacob until playing male Shepard either. And the same went for Vega, who is actually one of my favourites in the trilogy now. I liked Vega better with ManShep too. The "I'm flirty but we're not FLIRTING" thing might have worked for some Shepards, but not professional Paragade FemShep. It just seemed uncomfortable. But Vega and my ManShep were epic bros. Maybe I'll like Cora better with BroRyder. I haven't decided who I'm going to romance yet in that playthrough, so we'll see. Mass Effect has an unfortunate way of gating character development behind romance, though they have gotten better about this as the series goes on. I think Cora might have gotten hit a bit with this, since her dialogue seemed to update the least when I was playing SisRyder.
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 4, 2017 1:48:42 GMT
I knew some might not like Liam. How he handled some things were not proper responses for a crisis response person and ended up actually causing crises. That part irked me a little as well, but he is still pretty young and I chalked it up to inexperience, being in a new situation and not knowing just what to do but wanting to still do something. That said, I am surprised he is so far in the lead as "worst character". He's my personal fav of the human squadmates in the series you start off with.
Cora was a late bloomer for me. I was kinda bored by her and her asari admiration wasn't enjoyable for me as a person who finds the asari to be the most boring race in ME. After playing further in the game, I don't love her but I damn well respect her, feel she is a true friend to Sara, and know she has my back no matter what. She is a good character, just one of the few weaker ones in the cast. The best convo's with her centered around her love of gardening.
Peebee though.... ugh. I just can't find anything beyond a few funny ambient lines to enjoy about her character. I've said this before, she's a "flighty" character - can't stay settled. She becomes bored easily. I really have a hard time finding a character like that that I actually have liked in media.
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Post by Command0rk on Apr 4, 2017 1:52:07 GMT
This! I didn't appreciate Jacob until playing male Shepard either. And the same went for Vega, who is actually one of my favourites in the trilogy now. I liked Vega better with ManShep too. The "I'm flirty but we're not FLIRTING" thing might have worked for some Shepards, but not professional Paragade FemShep. It just seemed uncomfortable. But Vega and my ManShep were epic bros. Maybe I'll like Cora better with BroRyder. I haven't decided who I'm going to romance yet in that playthrough, so we'll see. Mass Effect has an unfortunate way of gating character development behind romance, though they have gotten better about this as the series goes on. I think Cora might have gotten hit a bit with this, since her dialogue seemed to update the least when I was playing SisRyder. I agree. I've had a hard time trying to get anything out of Cora. In the beginning she was almost a bit like a walking Asari codex. Which is a shame, I was hoping her and SisRyder could become quite close friends, it says so in the codex but isn't really applied in actual dialogue. I've noticed Andromeda has quite a bit of development and character commentary in the banter too, which makes it harder if you're unlucky and inundated with banter bugs
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