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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 5, 2017 19:25:06 GMT
I romanced PeeBee so the Asari reporter respected that I was taken automatically in the post-game dialogue, however, I just checked through the "journey so far" entries in my codex and under Cora and others it still says "she enjoys flirting with you" in the bottom, and that made me think BioWare should've taken the extra step a la ME3 and let us keep engaging in flirtation after romance locks in which would lead to catfighting or something or just a realistic bitch-slap from your romance interest after which they break up with you indefinately.
I'd really like to see BioWare put in more attention to detail like that.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 6, 2017 1:43:33 GMT
In ME1 Liara and Ash confront you and force you to choose.
ME2 LI's go full stop until you break it off with your side action
Lotsb has Liara throwing out some really awesome shade at your new romance
ME3 the other person you dump tends to die.
I think that sums up what has happened in these situations in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:02:44 GMT
I wouldn't date someone who was having people on the side
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 6, 2017 4:26:22 GMT
My first Ryder did some light flirting with Keri early on, she said didn't care about being on the side if Ryder got into a relationship. That Ryder also flirted with Peebee initially, turning down the casual option. Later I locked in Vetra, Peebee did her whole scene post loyalty mission, nothing seemed to conflict when I accepted. Later, Keri wants to meet for drinks after an interview, specifically mentioning she has someone watching out for "you-know-who" and there's no way to end the task without going back to her apartment. Now that Ryder is just hiding from her on the Tempest, should have known better than to flirt with an Asari.
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Post by bekkael on Apr 6, 2017 14:23:38 GMT
I don't like how you have to rely on the codex to know what's happening with your relationships. I mean, it's nice to have something to tell you what's going on, but I would much rather it was a character saying, "Oh, you want to be with me? Well, then you need to let *fill in blank* know you want to break it off with them first." Like they did in DAO where the characters call you out on trying to romance 2 at once... Codex as informer just seems....odd. I've just stayed away from any flirts with other characters than the romance I have settled on for a particular playthrough. Peebee and Jaal seem able to override previous romance choices if you aren't careful.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 14:26:54 GMT
My first Ryder did some light flirting with Keri early on, she said didn't care about being on the side if Ryder got into a relationship. That Ryder also flirted with Peebee initially, turning down the casual option. Later I locked in Vetra, Peebee did her whole scene post loyalty mission, nothing seemed to conflict when I accepted. Later, Keri wants to meet for drinks after an interview, specifically mentioning she has someone watching out for "you-know-who" and there's no way to end the task without going back to her apartment. Now that Ryder is just hiding from her on the Tempest, should have known better than to flirt with an Asari. Oh, wow. If you throw out too many flirts, you end up eventually being forced to cheat? That's icky. Good thing I either don't have my character flirt at all, or keep it restricted to a single target.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 6, 2017 14:27:03 GMT
My first Ryder did some light flirting with Keri early on, she said didn't care about being on the side if Ryder got into a relationship. That Ryder also flirted with Peebee initially, turning down the casual option. Later I locked in Vetra, Peebee did her whole scene post loyalty mission, nothing seemed to conflict when I accepted. Later, Keri wants to meet for drinks after an interview, specifically mentioning she has someone watching out for "you-know-who" and there's no way to end the task without going back to her apartment. Now that Ryder is just hiding from her on the Tempest, should have known better than to flirt with an Asari. I'm in a parallel situation. I was flirting with Peebee and Keri just because the flirting dialogue is usually hilarious; I turned Peebee down, yet there's no option to turn Keri down (except to not finish the quest). The weird thing is that the flirting dialogue from Ryder to Keri early on acknowledges something about stopping if Ryder's situation changed.
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 6, 2017 14:44:27 GMT
My first Ryder did some light flirting with Keri early on, she said didn't care about being on the side if Ryder got into a relationship. That Ryder also flirted with Peebee initially, turning down the casual option. Later I locked in Vetra, Peebee did her whole scene post loyalty mission, nothing seemed to conflict when I accepted. Later, Keri wants to meet for drinks after an interview, specifically mentioning she has someone watching out for "you-know-who" and there's no way to end the task without going back to her apartment. Now that Ryder is just hiding from her on the Tempest, should have known better than to flirt with an Asari. Oh, wow. If you throw out too many flirts, you end up eventually being forced to cheat? That's icky. Good thing I either don't have my character flirt at all, or keep it restricted to a single target. Yeah, that's why that task will forever remain unfinished on that file. I even tried to do the last interview without meeting her for drinks in hopes it would basically stand her up, but no such luck. Admittedly I was curious to see the romance conflicts they coded, otherwise I prefer to stay with focused flirting. My first Ryder did some light flirting with Keri early on, she said didn't care about being on the side if Ryder got into a relationship. That Ryder also flirted with Peebee initially, turning down the casual option. Later I locked in Vetra, Peebee did her whole scene post loyalty mission, nothing seemed to conflict when I accepted. Later, Keri wants to meet for drinks after an interview, specifically mentioning she has someone watching out for "you-know-who" and there's no way to end the task without going back to her apartment. Now that Ryder is just hiding from her on the Tempest, should have known better than to flirt with an Asari. I'm in a parallel situation. I was flirting with Peebee and Keri just because the flirting dialogue is usually hilarious; I turned Peebee down, yet there's no option to turn Keri down (except to not finish the quest). The weird thing is that the flirting dialogue from Ryder to Keri early on acknowledges something about stopping if Ryder's situation changed. Yeah, that's why I was surprised to hear that there was dialogue saying otherwise. I'm just going to avoid flirting with multiples in the future, and especially Keri. There's a lot of people with Tempest romances that have had duplicates sitting in Ryder on movie night though, so romance conflicts seem buggy generally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 18:09:40 GMT
Gross why even allow cheating. I guess they're okay with that but not okay with letting you have a religion
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Post by raikas on Apr 6, 2017 20:46:16 GMT
I enjoyed Keri's plotline, but I wonder if it's a bug that you can't back out of the relationship beyond a certain point. Gross why even allow cheating. I guess they're okay with that but not okay with letting you have a religion You kill hundreds of people but cheating is the gross part? I think some people frame it as polyamory rather than cheating, but either way it makes for more variety in the different playthroughs you do, so why not? It's not as though you're forced to use that option.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
I enjoyed Keri's plotline, but I wonder if it's a bug that you can't back out of the relationship beyond a certain point. Gross why even allow cheating. I guess they're okay with that but not okay with letting you have a religion You kill hundreds of people but cheating is the gross part? I think some people frame it as polyamory rather than cheating, but either way it makes for more variety in the different playthroughs you do, so why not? It's not as though you're forced to use that option. No did you read some stuff about Keri? It's not polyamory it's cheating. She even says "better look out for you know who " ugh I hate cheaters and most people won't be polyamorous so if suddenly Everyone was okay with you sleeping with everyone t would be weird. You kill people who are shooting st you. It's sad but you're not a bad person for it. You are a bad person for cheating!
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Post by raikas on Apr 6, 2017 21:02:28 GMT
No did you read some stuff about Keri? Read it? I played out her romance. I actually loved her character and the relationship progression and thought it was better paced than any of the major romances. I actually think it's too bad that she doesn't have more content. And she has the "you know who" line even if you've only done the no-strings-attached non-romance fling with PeeBee, and that's not cheating since you're not actually in a relationship with PeeBee at that point. There are a few options where you can kill people who aren't shooting at you (in Drack's loyalty mission, in PeeBee's, and more), so it's not always that clear cut. The game lets you be a bad person if you want to - you don't have to pick those choices, but that choice is precisely why they're included.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:07:20 GMT
Yeah hats you and frack doing back things not every character suddenly being willing to cheat or be polygamous.
And that doesn't make Keri not a cheater too, she's completely willing to say that and hide you from your SO meaning it's not polyamory-it's cheating if you're with someone else.
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Post by raikas on Apr 6, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
Yeah hats you and frack doing back things not every character suddenly being willing to cheat or be polygamous. No one said they have to be. It's an option. You asked "why even allow cheating?" the answer is so some people can use it. No one is making your Ryder cheat just by having the option in the game. Frankly there are far fewer renegade-type choices in MEA than there were in the OT. It's much harder to make Ryder be as horrible a human being as Shepard could be. I have no idea what " frack doing back things" means, but I'm assuming it's not good? Sure, if someone was so inclined they could say she was being tongue-in-cheek, but yeah, from the context she clearly doesn't mind. I'm not saying you should like her, I'm talking more from a gaming perspective than from a character or RP one. I thought the pacing of her relationship was better than the full romances because of the way the individual interactions were triggered. With the standard ones you could end up getting three conversations back-to-back and then nothing for most of the game, whereas Keri's was parcelled out in such a way that it played out after longer intervals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:22:27 GMT
Gross why even allow cheating. I guess they're okay with that but not okay with letting you have a religion Huh? You can tell Suvi that you believe in something divine, like you know god. Isn't that letting you have a religion? Also cheating isn't against the law or anything, but it is a douchebag move. Still it is an option for your Ryder to do that, you don't have to pursue that path.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:24:32 GMT
Ugh forget I even said anything in the first part whatever.
Second part is that it's stupid that Ryder can't be religious but can be a cheater. Why is one okay with bioware but not the other?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:26:36 GMT
Gross why even allow cheating. I guess they're okay with that but not okay with letting you have a religion Huh? You can tell Suvi that you believe in something divine, like you know god. Isn't that letting you have a religion? Also cheating isn't against the law or anything, but it is a douchebag move. Still it is an option for your Ryder to do that, you don't have to pursue that path. No I chose that and she said something like "I think maybe there's something out there!" And Ryder doesn't have the choice to believe in heaven either. If you say life doesn't end as death Ryder says "Mom didn't just stop existing. I can't believe that. She has to be alive somewhere" which is very much not religion just sadness that your mom died. And at at the end of the game if you said "God could be real" Suvi and Ryder agree that God is probably a Remnant like machine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:35:21 GMT
Huh? You can tell Suvi that you believe in something divine, like you know god. Isn't that letting you have a religion? Also cheating isn't against the law or anything, but it is a douchebag move. Still it is an option for your Ryder to do that, you don't have to pursue that path. No I chose that and she said something like "I think maybe there's something out there!" And Ryder doesn't have the choice to believe in heaven either. If you say life doesn't end as death Ryder says "Mom didn't just stop existing. I can't believe that. She has to be alive somewhere" which is very much not religion just sadness that your mom died. And at at the end of the game if you said "God could be real" Suvi and Ryder agree that God is probably a Remnant like machine. Again that is from the Andromeda perspective as to what they learned there about the Jardaan and the Remnant. You can still agree with her and express your belief in something. You can't directly declare your religion, but why would you? You have a similar conversation with Ashley back in Mass Effect 1. You never state what religion you belong too, just that you believe in something more than what we can comprehend. I thought it was a nice call back to that scene.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
Because you specifically can NOT believe in God as He is or in Heaven no matter what you choose. Yet you can kill and cheat and have pretty intense sex scenes.
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Post by fizzypop on Apr 6, 2017 23:03:09 GMT
Because you specifically can NOT believe in God as He is or in Heaven no matter what you choose. Yet you can kill and cheat and have pretty intense sex scenes. You do realize that the reason for this is because there is TONS of variation in terms of religion right? That's just for humans. Cheating is a lot easier to implement and not piss off everyone. If they put a Christian god in there everyone would be losing their shit about other forms of gods. It is a PR nightmare. I wouldn't even touch the subject at all if I was them. Specifically, if you choose not to enact Sarissa as the pathfinder you have a conversation with her replacement that asks if you believe in something higher. That's as close as you are getting. If you don't like it, tough luck. If you hate cheating, touch luck. This is bioware after all.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 6, 2017 23:07:12 GMT
Ugh forget I even said anything in the first part whatever. Second part is that it's stupid that Ryder can't be religious but can be a cheater. Why is one okay with bioware but not the other? I remember talking with Suvi and being able to agree with her that there is a higher power. It's not descriptive of a particular faith but indicates that they at least believe in something.
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Post by fizzypop on Apr 6, 2017 23:10:10 GMT
It does. Right now I have a casual fling going on with peebee and I'm romancing Jaal too. I wonder how things are going to go really. I've avoided adding any other romances in the mix specifically so I don't eff up Jaal's romance. I really wish they wouldn't make romance so "touchy" and/or locked. It cuts into my style. I like to flirt, I'm a natural flirt IRL. It is so against my nature to not flirt with everything that moves. You'd think characters like Jaal and Peebee would be completely okay with me having other partners. Honestly the only characters that even strike me as "wouldn't be up for it" would be cora and suvi.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 23:12:25 GMT
Because you specifically can NOT believe in God as He is or in Heaven no matter what you choose. Yet you can kill and cheat and have pretty intense sex scenes. You do realize that the reason for this is because there is TONS of variation in terms of religion right? That's just for humans. Cheating is a lot easier to implement and not piss off everyone. If they put a Christian god in there everyone would be losing their shit about other forms of gods. It is a PR nightmare. I wouldn't even touch the subject at all if I was them. Specifically, if you choose not to enact Sarissa as the pathfinder you have a conversation with her replacement that asks if you believe in something higher. That's as close as you are getting. If you don't like it, tough luck. If you hate cheating, touch luck. This is bioware after all. But Shepard could believe in God or not and it didn't specify which religion and nobody was upset. This one you actually have to, one way or another, choose not to beljebe in heaven while heh used to be a loud the Bible and now it's as far as it gets so it's even worse that you can't in this one because they are purposely going as far from that as possible while also letting you do more bad things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 23:13:40 GMT
It does. Right now I have a casual fling going on with peebee and I'm romancing Jaal too. I wonder how things are going to go really. I've avoided adding any other romances in the mix specifically so I don't eff up Jaal's romance. I really wish they wouldn't make romance so "touchy" and/or locked. It cuts into my style. I like to flirt, I'm a natural flirt IRL. It is so against my nature to not flirt with everything that moves. You'd think characters like Jaal and Peebee would be completely okay with me having other partners. Honestly the only characters that even strike me as "wouldn't be up for it" would be cora and suvi. Most people irl aren't up for multiple partners. Liam is a very sweet guy and he seems like he'd want to be exclusive. Vetra too because she loves with her whole heart
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Post by fizzypop on Apr 6, 2017 23:16:16 GMT
You do realize that the reason for this is because there is TONS of variation in terms of religion right? That's just for humans. Cheating is a lot easier to implement and not piss off everyone. If they put a Christian god in there everyone would be losing their shit about other forms of gods. It is a PR nightmare. I wouldn't even touch the subject at all if I was them. Specifically, if you choose not to enact Sarissa as the pathfinder you have a conversation with her replacement that asks if you believe in something higher. That's as close as you are getting. If you don't like it, tough luck. If you hate cheating, touch luck. This is bioware after all. But Shepard could believe in God or not and it didn't specify which religion and nobody was upset. This one you actually have to, one way or another, choose not to beljebe in heaven while heh used to be a loud the Bible and now it's as far as it gets so it's even worse that you can't in this one because they are purposely going as far from that as possible while also letting you do more bad things. There are several religions that have more then one God. You'd be upsetting like the million (hyperbolic yes I know) pagan religions. Not all religions that believe in a God believe in a Heaven. A few religions that believe in God believe that it is actually insulting to call "God" by their name. See? Exactly why they didn't add it. And no you cannot do more bad things as ryder. You actually are more limited to only good things. It is MUCH harder to play a "bad" ryder then it is to play a good one. Shepard is way easier to play "evil".
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