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Post by kaind on Apr 6, 2017 19:47:04 GMT
Yeah, the game needs more renegade options. But you can kill that dude in Dracks loyalty mission in cold blood or leave Kalinda to die. Did you ignore that? The supposed weight that those choices carry makes the characters seem psychotic. When Peebee decided to save Kalinda I definitely thought she was insane. Let's murder a couple hundred people with no problem, while cracking jokes on the way to the boss that supposedly ordered said people to murder us, but killing the boss? So evil! How can we?
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 19:47:58 GMT
Yea yea, it can't be at all the case that some people are sick and tired of all those buzzwords being used in every piece of entertainment these days. Words that either had no actual meaning, or wider societal use just a couple of years ago, but now have to crammed into everything at least once... No no no. Look at it this way: Just as you couldn't fight the urge to comment on this thread, some people aren't able to ignore manipulative writing like that... ok? Ok. Well, I am sick of this SJW Propganda too. I even lost a feminist friend over an argument because of all this bullshit and I am regulary watching youtubers who put those SJW in their places. But I just dont see Bioware SJW Proganda in their games. How many times in a almost 100 hour game do you come across characters/dialogues that some might considered propaganda. Meeting the trans on Eos was the only time I agree with you all, but only because it was badly written. But even if it was well written, making a quest or a long meaningful conversation about being a trans and possible problems that come along with it, must of you would still complain about it. All other mentioned "SJW" propaganda moments aren't propaganda in my book. Especially that dialogue with Jaal. What I am saying is, that many of you are looking so hard for things to complain, that you are seeing SJW propaganda everywhere. And as long as you are complaining about things to which I have a different opinion, I will continue to argue why I think it is ridiculous. Lol. This dude actually thinks Sargon of Akaad and Armoured Skeptic are legit. C'mon, man. I live in the South. Racism and sexism are real things here. Do some SJWs go too far? Sure. So do some anti-SJWs... Like Donald Trump. So if any random SJW that Sargon finds can represent the whole movement, then Donald Trump represents your whole movement.... And that's a trade-off you'll lose.
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Post by blaw on Apr 6, 2017 19:49:52 GMT
Yeah, the game needs more renegade options. But you can kill that dude in Dracks loyalty mission in cold blood or leave Kalinda to die. Did you ignore that? The supposed weight that those choices carry makes the characters seem psychotic. When Peebee decided to save Kalinda I definitely thought she was insane. Let's murder a couple hundred people with no problem, while cracking jokes on the way to the boss that supposedly ordered said people to murder us, but killing the boss? So evil! How can we? Yes, I completly agree with you. In fact I hate Peebees loyalty mission because of that. I was just making a point that someone was exaggerating.
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Post by kaind on Apr 6, 2017 19:51:11 GMT
Racism and sexism are real things here. Do you know how those problems are solved? By not talking about them.
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Post by blaw on Apr 6, 2017 19:53:52 GMT
Well, I am sick of this SJW Propganda too. I even lost a feminist friend over an argument because of all this bullshit and I am regulary watching youtubers who put those SJW in their places. But I just dont see Bioware SJW Proganda in their games. How many times in a almost 100 hour game do you come across characters/dialogues that some might considered propaganda. Meeting the trans on Eos was the only time I agree with you all, but only because it was badly written. But even if it was well written, making a quest or a long meaningful conversation about being a trans and possible problems that come along with it, must of you would still complain about it. All other mentioned "SJW" propaganda moments aren't propaganda in my book. Especially that dialogue with Jaal. What I am saying is, that many of you are looking so hard for things to complain, that you are seeing SJW propaganda everywhere. And as long as you are complaining about things to which I have a different opinion, I will continue to argue why I think it is ridiculous. Lol. This dude actually thinks Sargon of Akaad and Armoured Skeptic are legit. C'mon, man. I live in the South. Racism and sexism are real things here. Do some SJWs go too far? Sure. So do some anti-SJWs... Like Donald Trump. So if any random SJW that Sargon finds can represent the whole movement, then Donald Trump represents your whole movement.... And that's a trade-off you'll lose. Sorry, but your post is pure bullshit. I didnt even mention certain youtubers. I watch a variety of them, I don't always agree with them and do my own research and form my own opinion. If you would have read all my comments it should be clear that I am neither a SJW or Anti SJW.
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 19:58:55 GMT
Racism and sexism are real things here. Do you know how those problems are solved? By not talking about them. Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen.
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Post by kaind on Apr 6, 2017 20:01:20 GMT
Do you know how those problems are solved? By not talking about them. Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen. Let me rephrase that a little. If you want to eliminate racism you have to stop calling people black/white/asian, if you want to stop sexism you should stop drawing attention to differences between men and women.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
Again, this isn't even dialogue. OP was triggered by the paraphrase. Because it's an overused platitude... like "Punch a Nazi in the face" or "be intolerant against the intolerant". Useless, annoying sayings for idiots to chant in the streets, and for brain dead celebrities to spout in expensive propaganda ads. Writing in games is bad enough without that BS most of the time... colejj : Yes, racism and sexism are real, but they aren't systemic - at least not in the west - and they also will not suddenly vanish because some morons think the government should crack down on people saying mean things...
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Post by hiffwe on Apr 6, 2017 20:03:17 GMT
Do you know how those problems are solved? By not talking about them. Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen. Key word being almost. You want people to stop thinking along racial lines, stop constantly waving your arms and shouting about race every five minutes. It's like telling somebody not to think about pink elephants, of course that's gonna be the first fuckin' thing they think of.
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Post by blaw on Apr 6, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen. Let me rephrase that a little. If you want to eliminate racism you have to stop calling people black/white/asian, if you want to stop sexism you should stop drawing attention to differences between men and women. There is a nice interview with Morgan Freeman about that. He is saying what you are saying but with a godlike voice
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Post by Alien Fodder on Apr 6, 2017 20:06:39 GMT
"No biggots allowed" is the kind of dialog option I wish my Femshep could have told Ashley back in ME1... I'm not here to open a can of worms or to troll, but I simply couldn't resist so don't hate on me...
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 20:07:36 GMT
Lol. This dude actually thinks Sargon of Akaad and Armoured Skeptic are legit. C'mon, man. I live in the South. Racism and sexism are real things here. Do some SJWs go too far? Sure. So do some anti-SJWs... Like Donald Trump. So if any random SJW that Sargon finds can represent the whole movement, then Donald Trump represents your whole movement.... And that's a trade-off you'll lose. Sorry, but your post is pure bullshit. I didnt even mention certain youtubers. I watch a variety of them, I don't always agree with them and do my own research and form my own opinion. If you would have read all my comments it should be clear that I am neither a SJW or Anti SJW. You can claim that all you like, but certain phraseology you use, like "put those SJWs in their places," make me shake my head. What place is that, exactly? And assuming you watch Sargon and AS isn't exactly a stretch, considering they're easily the two most popular Anti-SJW channels on YouTube. So no, you're the one full of bullshit. You try to play both sides of the fence, thinking it makes you more intelligent and reasonable than either side.
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Post by sky on Apr 6, 2017 20:13:18 GMT
Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen. Let me rephrase that a little. If you want to eliminate racism you have to stop calling people black/white/asian, if you want to stop sexism you should stop drawing attention to differences between men and women. Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both.
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 20:14:01 GMT
Ignoring problems is almost never the solution. Almost always, they just fester and worsen. Key word being almost. You want people to stop thinking along racial lines, stop constantly waving your arms and shouting about race every five minutes. It's like telling somebody not to think about pink elephants, of course that's gonna be the first fuckin' thing they think of. That's a logical leap there, bud. I'm sure ignoring racism was the way to go in the 60's, too? Look at how well ignoring anti-Semitism worked in Germany during the 30's and 40's.
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Post by blaw on Apr 6, 2017 20:15:26 GMT
Sorry, but your post is pure bullshit. I didnt even mention certain youtubers. I watch a variety of them, I don't always agree with them and do my own research and form my own opinion. If you would have read all my comments it should be clear that I am neither a SJW or Anti SJW. You can claim that all you like, but certain phraseology you use, like "put those SJWs in their places," make me shake my head. What place is that, exactly? And assuming you watch Sargon and AS isn't exactly a stretch, considering they're easily the two most popular Anti-SJW channels on YouTube. So no, you're the one full of bullshit. You try to play both sides of the fence, thinking it makes you more intelligent and reasonable than either side. Well, it does make me more intelligent (that applies to certain users here too) because I listen to more sides than one and try to form my own opinion.
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 20:17:11 GMT
colejj : Yes, racism and sexism are real, but they aren't systemic - at least not in the west <Looks at the Trump administration> Are you sure about that?
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Post by kaind on Apr 6, 2017 20:17:28 GMT
Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both. People were not equal in the law back in the day but they are now. If you are equal in the law then you need to stop drawing special attention if you want to integrate and be equal.
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Post by hiffwe on Apr 6, 2017 20:18:31 GMT
Key word being almost. You want people to stop thinking along racial lines, stop constantly waving your arms and shouting about race every five minutes. It's like telling somebody not to think about pink elephants, of course that's gonna be the first fuckin' thing they think of. That's a logical leap there, bud. I'm sure ignoring racism was the way to go in the 60's, too? Look at how well ignoring anti-Semitism worked in Germany during the 30's and 40's.Yeah, you're one to talk about logical leaps lmao
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
Let me rephrase that a little. If you want to eliminate racism you have to stop calling people black/white/asian, if you want to stop sexism you should stop drawing attention to differences between men and women. Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both. False, they got racism and segregation out of the law and societal INSTITUTIONS via protest and activism... you will never get it out of people that way. Demanding change from a society breeds dissent... I honestly can't believe people still don't get that, after countless examples all over human history.
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 20:19:37 GMT
Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both. People were not equal in the law back in the day but they are now. If you are equal in the law then you need to stop drawing special attention if you want to integrate and be equal. Really? What study are you getting these pearls of wisdom from? My guess is that you're pulling them out of your ass.
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Post by colejj on Apr 6, 2017 20:21:00 GMT
Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both. False, they got racism and segregation out of the law and societal INSTITUTIONS via protest and activism... you will never get it out of people that way. Demanding change from a society breeds dissent... I honestly can't believe people still don't get that, after countless examples all over human history. I'd love to hear about those examples.
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Post by Madflavor on Apr 6, 2017 20:23:21 GMT
Modern Bioware are run by a bunch of pussies. Remember when in DA:O you could trade a child's soul, just to have sex with a Desire Demon? Can you see Modern Bioware having the balls to put that in their game?
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Post by kaind on Apr 6, 2017 20:24:52 GMT
People were not equal in the law back in the day but they are now. If you are equal in the law then you need to stop drawing special attention if you want to integrate and be equal. Really? What study are you getting these pearls of wisdom from? My guess is that you're pulling them out of your ass. 1964 - The Married Women’s Property Act 1967 - Abortion Law Reform Bill 1968 - Equal Pay Act etc. Do you see the difference between this and ''he is looking at me funny, that makes me feel uncomfortable because I am a woman!'' ?
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Post by Adaiah on Apr 6, 2017 20:26:09 GMT
Does someone have a link to video where Ryder actually picks this option? I didn't pick it myself because I couldn't tell if Ryder was gonna tell Jaal off or reassure him that the aliens on board weren't bigots. Paraphrasing, ugh.
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Post by sky on Apr 6, 2017 20:27:20 GMT
Racism and sexism wasn't phased out from the 60s by people being quiet. It was done by raising awareness to the issues and calling them out. Given his situation, those issues probably still exist because people either ignore them or normalize them, or both. False, they got racism and segregation out of the law and societal INSTITUTIONS via protest and activism... you will never get it out of people that way. Demanding change from a society breeds dissent... I honestly can't believe people still don't get that, after countless examples all over human history. Raising awareness is a bit different than demanding change. Sexism was gradually phased out.. it wasn't done overnight or through violent protests. I did not notice any dissent because society is changing all the time, influenced by many times like art, politics, major events, etc. I credit this change to people that open discussions about the issues. That and influential people raising awareness, such as professional athletes that particpate in the anti racism campaigns. Some may find it corny I suppose, but to the younger generation it's important.
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