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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 12, 2017 13:02:38 GMT
Which he will if you encourage him. It's not my job as a Pathfinder to baby some whiny git. I mean, Hayjer's a bit upset if you choose to abandon Raeka, but he doesn't let him stop him from his duties. Avi, I have to go out of my way to make him do the job he was supposed to do. And unlike Hayjer, it's not like he can use lack of training. Hell, even Vederia is accepting of it, even if she's worried she won't live up to it. No, it's not but if you think becoming a drunk when you're suffering PTSD is a cowardly or unrealistic result then I think you really don't get actual trauma. Alistair's reaction in Dragon Age was awful when he went off to become a drunk. Avitus was just realistic and understandable.
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Post by laxian on Apr 12, 2017 20:41:39 GMT
As a shaftfinder, Avi will pull himself together, just give him some time. * some time = few storyline DLCs or sequel. Shaftfinder...I like that, I didn't make him become a pathfinder, poor guy seemed like a broken man and all after that Neither did I - sadly I came to regret it (next time I will kick his Ass - gay or not, get your act together, we need you! We don't have time for you to hang out in bars being a fucking drunk and feeling sorry for yourself! So life has treated you shitty, I get that! Still no reason not to kick some more Kett ass!), you'll know why once you have finished the game greetings LAX
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 12, 2017 21:18:55 GMT
It's not my job as a Pathfinder to baby some whiny git. I mean, Hayjer's a bit upset if you choose to abandon Raeka, but he doesn't let him stop him from his duties. Avi, I have to go out of my way to make him do the job he was supposed to do. And unlike Hayjer, it's not like he can use lack of training. Hell, even Vederia is accepting of it, even if she's worried she won't live up to it. No, it's not but if you think becoming a drunk when you're suffering PTSD is a cowardly or unrealistic result then I think you really don't get actual trauma. Alistair's reaction in Dragon Age was awful when he went off to become a drunk. Avitus was just realistic and understandable. He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy.
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Post by bshep on Apr 12, 2017 21:49:33 GMT
No, it's not but if you think becoming a drunk when you're suffering PTSD is a cowardly or unrealistic result then I think you really don't get actual trauma. Alistair's reaction in Dragon Age was awful when he went off to become a drunk. Avitus was just realistic and understandable. He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy. Why do i find really hard to believe on that?
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 12, 2017 21:53:13 GMT
He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy. Why do i find really hard to believe on that? "You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eyes tight or open them wide. Either way, one's a fool." </flemeth quote>
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 12, 2017 22:55:45 GMT
I'm saying you're being pretty awful to the guy. That's all I'm saying but sure, if you say so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 1:55:30 GMT
He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy. And? What is your point exactly? Just because other people have suffered loss and been broken up over it, means he can't? The one does not exclude the other.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 13, 2017 2:25:36 GMT
He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy. And? What is your point exactly? Just because other people have suffered loss and been broken up over it, means he can't? The one does not exclude the other. My point is that there are 15,000 turians in cryo that need to be rescued. Terrible things will happen if they aren't, them dying is only the least of concerns. By this point in the game, we know what the kett do to people. And instead, this guy just wants to whine and mope about the fact that his boyfriend died. That is pathetic. The world doesn't stop just because you're sad.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 13, 2017 2:38:36 GMT
To be fair to him, the Natanus SAM did sort of trick Avi into thinking Macen was still alive, hoping it would lure him to the ship to complete the Pathfinder transfer that was prematurely interrupted.
In bird Turian culture, that's considered a bit of a dick move.
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Post by sauron001 on Apr 13, 2017 3:55:05 GMT
See this is just reminiscent of our own issues going on today but back to avitus.
The way I see it, he is a damn specter and needs to grow up. Some of the most successful people need a kick in the balls to put them on the right path from time to time(which is called tough love). It is a real thing and it works.
Dude was the only one overly qualified with his training and I will be darned if he wants to wallow in self pity when 15,000 Turians need him. So Mr. "I'm emotionally upset and selfish right now" Avitus you are going to do this job whether or not you feel ready, because I know you have the capability. In a colonial expedition you don't get a choice, same as being over seas in a hostile environment, because everyone is depending on you to do your 1 job.
2 screens later he is back on track.
p.s. Anyone else upset that the whole Turian military life structure seemed retconned in this game?
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 13, 2017 17:18:35 GMT
Yeah, Ryder feels for Avitus but he just has to man up and become the New Turian pathfinder. He is free to start training a replacement though.
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Post by raikas on Apr 13, 2017 18:19:56 GMT
p.s. Anyone else upset that the whole Turian military life structure seemed retconned in this game? I actually they were trying to make it more nuanced rather than retconning it, so I actually liked that. I find it odd that we're supposed to assume that these huge civilizations with colonies all over the galaxy are all marching in absolute lockstep, so I appreciated see some Turians who seemed to have a broader variety of experiences. Although maybe we're not talking about exactly the same things? He was pathetic, and it's pretty pathetic of you to try and insinuate something is wrong with me if I don't support it. As someone who has actually done volunteer work with the VA on soldiers with PTSD, I think I know a bit more about it than you. Rix was a crybaby. That's it. He's sad because his boyfriend died, and is moping like he's the only person in life who ever had a tragedy. Eh, leaving aside the fact that if you tell him to become pathfinder he gets on with it quickly enough, in my experience (also volunteering, although in a different context than I assume yours is - I tend to see more parents who have recently lost children) there are about 1,000 different ways that people react to tragedy and trauma. In the moment, I'd be hard pressed to call any of them pathetic, because it's such a specific combination of experience, emotion, and whatever the current state of a person's brain is. Sometimes you see someone who breaks down in the immediate moment and then moves on, other times they seem stoic at first and break down twenty years later - and everything in between. I don't think any of it is pathetic (maybe I can see it for people who are much further out from the event and still not dealing with it but even then I'd try to have some sympathy). Obviously we're talking about a fictional metal bird character here, but still, that's a harsh judgement for a post that's mentioning real life examples.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 13, 2017 21:23:40 GMT
I'm of the opinion that you cannot allow grief to cloud judgment, particularly when there are lives on the line. Getting help (and delivering help in a way that works for the patient. Lots of people do not respond well to empathy) is important. But I'm making a value judgment here: Rix is completely unqualified for the position if he falls apart this quickly.
For all the work he used to do, I'm almost convinced he's a doppleganger. Or he's just that pathetic.
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Post by raikas on Apr 14, 2017 0:12:24 GMT
I'm of the opinion that you cannot allow grief to cloud judgment, particularly when there are lives on the line. Getting help (and delivering help in a way that works for the patient. Lots of people do not respond well to empathy) is important. But I'm making a value judgment here: Rix is completely unqualified for the position if he falls apart this quickly. For all the work he used to do, I'm almost convinced he's a doppleganger. Or he's just that pathetic. I definitely agree that different people need different methods of support. I wasn't so much saying that Ryder necessarily needs to show empathy (personally I saw Ryder as whipping him into shape), I just think it's valuable at a meta level (and obviously when talking about people IRL). I was reading a memoir a couple of weeks ago (called "Rule Two") that was written by a former US Navy psychologist about her experiences doing mental health/crisis work in a US combat hospital in Iraq. The variety of reactions to being close to violent death described in there were fascinating. Sometimes that clearly put other people in danger, but even then pathetic wouldn't be the word I would use (and it was definitely similar to what I've seen in civilian grief contexts). To be fair, I don't think the game presented it with genuine complexity (ME has never been good at that - I've always thought it was a mistake that the ME3 didn't have a real way to deal with a Shepard who might have lost someone on the suicide mission in ME2). Making it a one-of-two-choices decision is trivializing, so given that context I'm probably overthinking something that the devs clearly didn't put that much thought into.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 14, 2017 1:25:13 GMT
You know what might have helped? A SAM that was as up to date as the Human's SAM.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 4:49:04 GMT
I don't have time for a whiny little angster. There are thousands upon thousands of turians that need rescue and reclamation, and I'm supposed to care about this pratt because his boyfriend died? I only make him a Pathfinder because there's no other choice when it comes to saving Dunn. If there was another turian, I'd pick him/her in a heartbeat. Wow..heartless. I hope you fallow the same advice you put on others when you lose a loved one.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 15, 2017 5:23:26 GMT
Not sure how I feel about someone who supposedly has volunteered with people with PTSD being so free in calling characters pathetic for not being able to get over things. Actually, I do know how I feel about that.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 16, 2017 3:47:16 GMT
I don't have time for a whiny little angster. There are thousands upon thousands of turians that need rescue and reclamation, and I'm supposed to care about this pratt because his boyfriend died? I only make him a Pathfinder because there's no other choice when it comes to saving Dunn. If there was another turian, I'd pick him/her in a heartbeat. Wow..heartless. I hope you fallow the same advice you put on others when you lose a loved one. You speak as though I have not lost loved ones. You presume an awful lot. Do you wish me to recite them for you?
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 16, 2017 3:48:07 GMT
Not sure how I feel about someone who supposedly has volunteered with people with PTSD being so free in calling characters pathetic for not being able to get over things. Actually, I do know how I feel about that. Then you clearly haven't read much. Then again, you act like I'm supposed to care about how you feel. Pathetic sums up Rix quite nicely.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 16, 2017 4:32:27 GMT
Wow..heartless. I hope you fallow the same advice you put on others when you lose a loved one. You speak as though I have not lost loved ones. You presume an awful lot. Do you wish me to recite them for you? Then you should have a better bed side manner. Grief is not subjective nor is it an on or off switch. Not everyone are cold logical machines like you. It's insulting to put your own beliefs on others.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 16, 2017 5:57:22 GMT
You speak as though I have not lost loved ones. You presume an awful lot. Do you wish me to recite them for you? Then you should have a better bed side manner. Grief is not subjective nor is it an on or off switch. Not everyone are cold logical machines like you. It's insulting to put your own beliefs on others. You speak with zero understanding of both emotion and grief, in both the understanding of a person and the psyche. Do yourself a favor: Just quit now. Psychology is not Assassin's Creed. It is not "Nothing is true and all is permitted."
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 16, 2017 6:47:01 GMT
Then you should have a better bed side manner. Grief is not subjective nor is it an on or off switch. Not everyone are cold logical machines like you. It's insulting to put your own beliefs on others. You speak with zero understanding of both emotion and grief, in both the understanding of a person and the psyche. Do yourself a favor: Just quit now. Psychology is not Assassin's Creed. It is not "Nothing is true and all is permitted." Says the guy who calls some else pathetic for feeling loss and needing help to get over it. If you are work with vets to help them with there ptsd then you clearly helping people get over there grief which you can do for Avi. Now these people with ptsd need help to recover , like Avi. Would you also say the same thing about them as you said about him?
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 16, 2017 7:58:54 GMT
Let's calm it down in here, please.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 16, 2017 11:06:24 GMT
You speak with zero understanding of both emotion and grief, in both the understanding of a person and the psyche. Do yourself a favor: Just quit now. Psychology is not Assassin's Creed. It is not "Nothing is true and all is permitted." Says the guy who calls some else pathetic for feeling loss and needing help to get over it. If you are work with vets to help them with there ptsd then you clearly helping people get over there grief which you can do for Avi. Now these people with ptsd need help to recover , like Avi. Would you also say the same thing about them as you said about him? They actually respond better to someone challenging them, at least in my experience. Many of the fears, flashbacks, and other problems with PTSD are not triggered by something rational. It may have been at the time it first happened, but not in relapses. Oftentimes, they will know there is nothing to be afraid of, and that the fear is not a rational one (Fear itself is a natural, but not necessarily rational occurrence). Personally, I only with people who want to overcome their problems. I've yet to come across a subject that desires passivity. Most mentioned they had already spoken to others who patiently listened and accepted everything, and it did not work.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Apr 16, 2017 11:25:31 GMT
So who's the turian pathfinder if nix or whatever becomes a drunk?
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