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Post by NormandySR3 on Apr 17, 2017 0:57:17 GMT
I have been looking for reviews from people who have grown up with the franchise, who know its history, and therefore have something meaningful to say of ME:A in light of its predecessor. I have not found many of this caliber (save a few small snippets which I posted below). So I was hoping that others can post those they might have found. Here are a few I found---which although not perfect, do make some keen observations; SUCH AS THIS (especially 5:45):AND THIS (esp. 7:22 and following):
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THIS TOO:
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 2:56:32 GMT
The first vid is how I feel.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 17, 2017 3:37:50 GMT
Is this specifically about review videos? There are plenty of opinions to be had here on the BSN, if you're looking for criticism and opinions. Like many, I bought every game of the Mass Effect Trilogy on release day (I actually swung a deal to get the original for free!), and have yet to see a video with which I agree. The best, most balanced review I've read was Paul Tassi's two articles for Forbes.
Reviews are just a collection of opinions, which naturally vary greatly. Most of MEA's reviews read/sound like the same regurgitated material, over and over. Maybe they're honest, informed opinions; maybe not. It's impossible for me to know, really. Honestly, I've not seen or heard from anyone, yet, that I feel knows the franchise as well as I, save a few other players here on the BSN. I'm not sure any of the video reviewers are the "seasoned" ME vets that you seek.
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 8:52:13 GMT
Like many, I bought every game of the Mass Effect Trilogy on release day (I actually swung a deal to get the original for free!), and have yet to see a video with which I agree. The best, most balanced review I've read was Paul Tassi's two articles for Forbes. Personally I value Angry Joes opinion the highest. Not because he's unbiased but he seems to like similar aspects in gaming as I do.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 17, 2017 9:19:50 GMT
Couldn't agree more with most of the points in the vids. The third said what I feel about the game.
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Post by Garo on Apr 17, 2017 10:05:36 GMT
These videos are really good. They pinpoint what is wrong with this game.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 17, 2017 13:44:58 GMT
Like many, I bought every game of the Mass Effect Trilogy on release day (I actually swung a deal to get the original for free!), and have yet to see a video with which I agree. The best, most balanced review I've read was Paul Tassi's two articles for Forbes. Personally I value Angry Joes opinion the highest. Not because he's unbiased but he seems to like similar aspects in gaming as I do. That's a smart way to use them. I do check out reviews, prerelease, but try keep their words in perspective. I was very concerned with MEA, prerelease, given the consistency and specificity of the "Meh" reviews. I ended up mostly liking the game, though. I also think AC Unity is a good game; so my tastes are occasionally at odds with the consensus. Edit: I'm finally in a position to view these videos. While I apparently enjoy the game much more than most of these guys, each that I've viewed does offer good criticism. I think it's a matter of how much these individual issues actually bug you. Every game has them, but do I still enjoy the game in question? Hopefully, all of the feedback, good and bad, leads to another game that is better for it. As the first video mentioned, the IP will have to survive all of the poop-flinging, first. I hope that it does.
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 14:20:55 GMT
Personally I value Angry Joes opinion the highest. Not because he's unbiased but he seems to like similar aspects in gaming as I do. That's a smart way to use them. I do check out reviews, prerelease, but try keep their words in perspective. I was very concerned with MEA, prerelease, given the consistency and specificity of the "Meh" reviews. I ended up mostly liking the game, though. I also think AC Unity is a good game; so my tastes are occasionally at odds with the consensus. Joe gave it a 6, maybe a 7. That's about the range I would give this game also in it's current state. I have fun playing it, but I'm missing a lot of stuff that should be resolved without having to buy DLCs or expansions.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 17, 2017 23:33:46 GMT
That's a smart way to use them. I do check out reviews, prerelease, but try keep their words in perspective. I was very concerned with MEA, prerelease, given the consistency and specificity of the "Meh" reviews. I ended up mostly liking the game, though. I also think AC Unity is a good game; so my tastes are occasionally at odds with the consensus. Joe gave it a 6, maybe a 7. That's about the range I would give this game also in it's current state. I have fun playing it, but I'm missing a lot of stuff that should be resolved without having to buy DLCs or expansions. He gave it a 6. He also noted the ridiculous extreme low scores given by players and said t wasn't warranted. I agree. 1, 2? 0? That's silly. I also tend to see what AJ says and sometimes I don't agree with his opinions but mostly it does gel with mine. I gave MEA a 7.
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 23:39:42 GMT
I also tend to see what AJ says and sometimes I don't agree with his opinions but mostly it does gel with mine. I gave MEA a 7. I would give it a 7 too. At it's current state. There's lots of potential, but it fails to deliver in certain aspects. I like the game, and I like the exploration elements, but the shameless cliffhangers, probably gearing up for DLC or something, are really a nuisance as well as other things.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 2:43:30 GMT
Personally I value Angry Joes opinion the highest. Not because he's unbiased but he seems to like similar aspects in gaming as I do. That's a smart way to use them. I do check out reviews, prerelease, but try keep their words in perspective. I was very concerned with MEA, prerelease, given the consistency and specificity of the "Meh" reviews. I ended up mostly liking the game, though. I also think AC Unity is a good game; so my tastes are occasionally at odds I think its a fair comparison between AC and ME expectations being as high as they were. Though in ACs case a lot of people had already jumped ship by the time Unity came out and those people were quick to flame. Similarly MEA didnt really match the standards set by its predecessors so the disappointment hit harder. Judging it as a game without ME on the title give the reviews and fan reactions a little perspective and add to that most opinions were formed during the first weeks where bugs sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for a lot of people. I don't call it a bad game its just not quite on the level yet. That can and will likely change.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 3:24:07 GMT
That's a smart way to use them. I do check out reviews, prerelease, but try keep their words in perspective. I was very concerned with MEA, prerelease, given the consistency and specificity of the "Meh" reviews. I ended up mostly liking the game, though. I also think AC Unity is a good game; so my tastes are occasionally at odds I think its a fair comparison between AC and ME expectations being as high as they were. Though in ACs case a lot of people had already jumped ship by the time Unity came out and those people were quick to flame. Similarly MEA didnt really match the standards set by its predecessors so the disappointment hit harder. Judging it as a game without ME on the title give the reviews and fan reactions a little perspective and add to that most opinions were formed during the first weeks where bugs sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for a lot of people. I don't call it a bad game its just not quite on the level yet. That can and will likely change. I wish it had been released without the myriad technical issues, and with the 3rd party facial animations, lighting, and such. Those fixes made a big impact; and removing the bugs would obviously do wonders. I think the reception would've been mostly positive, though maybe a bit lukewarm. When someone is lukewarm, though, and playing through horrific bugs... that's when you start seeing 6/10 scores.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 3:40:13 GMT
I think its a fair comparison between AC and ME expectations being as high as they were. Though in ACs case a lot of people had already jumped ship by the time Unity came out and those people were quick to flame. Similarly MEA didnt really match the standards set by its predecessors so the disappointment hit harder. Judging it as a game without ME on the title give the reviews and fan reactions a little perspective and add to that most opinions were formed during the first weeks where bugs sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for a lot of people. I don't call it a bad game its just not quite on the level yet. That can and will likely change. I wish it had been released without the myriad technical issues, and with the 3rd party facial animations, lighting, and such. Those fixes made a big impact; and removing the bugs would obviously do wonders. I think the reception would've been mostly positive, though maybe a bit lukewarm. When someone is lukewarm, though, and playing through horrific bugs... that's when you start seeing 6/10 scores. My second pt is a more positive experience. But, you only get to play through the first time once. A lot of magic got sucked out of it for me. I hope Bio learnt from it.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 3:49:26 GMT
I wish it had been released without the myriad technical issues, and with the 3rd party facial animations, lighting, and such. Those fixes made a big impact; and removing the bugs would obviously do wonders. I think the reception would've been mostly positive, though maybe a bit lukewarm. When someone is lukewarm, though, and playing through horrific bugs... that's when you start seeing 6/10 scores. My second pt is a more positive experience. But, you only get to play through the first time once. A lot of magic got sucked out of it for me. I hope Bio learnt from it. Exactly. Most people aren't as devoted as the fans here, either. Most gamers don't finish the majority of games they play, much to my eternal amazement. The less devoted would simply turn off MEA, as it was released, and likely never get around to playing it again. That first, bad impression will be what's in their mind if a "MEA2" is released. We could end up with a Watch Dogs 2 situation, where the first game ruined the higher quality second game's sales via tarnished image and apathy. I'm already afraid that MEA could be a Deus Ex situation. I said as much in the weeks before release, as complaints emerged, and many here got pissy with me for "overreacting and blowing things out of proportion". Now, though, I think more people are concerned. I really enjoy MEA, and know that the worst bugs will be expunged. That means I'll be really happy with it. I'm not blind, though. I can see that a huge portion of the online fan base are less than thrilled.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 4:15:34 GMT
My second pt is a more positive experience. But, you only get to play through the first time once. A lot of magic got sucked out of it for me. I hope Bio learnt from it. Exactly. Most people aren't as devoted as the fans here, either. Most gamers don't finish the majority of games they play, much to my eternal amazement. The less devoted would simply turn off MEA, as it was released, and likely never get around to playing it again. That first, bad impression will be what's in their mind if a "MEA2" is released. We could end up with a Watch Dogs 2 situation, where the first game ruined the higher quality second game's sales via tarnished image and apathy. I'm already afraid that MEA could be a Deus Ex situation. I said as much in the weeks before release, as complaints emerged, and many here got pissy with me for "overreacting and blowing things out of proportion". Now, though, I think more people are concerned. I really enjoy MEA, and know that the worst bugs will be expunged. That means I'll be really happy with it. I'm not blind, though. I can see that a huge portion of the online fan base are less than thrilled. Another fair point I got WD free and when I heard WD2 was awesome I remembered two things. 1. Watchdaogs sucked. 2. It's Ubisoft.
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Post by abaris on Apr 18, 2017 7:59:25 GMT
I think its a fair comparison between AC and ME expectations being as high as they were. Though in ACs case a lot of people had already jumped ship by the time Unity came out and those people were quick to flame. Similarly MEA didnt really match the standards set by its predecessors so the disappointment hit harder. Judging it as a game without ME on the title give the reviews and fan reactions a little perspective and add to that most opinions were formed during the first weeks where bugs sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for a lot of people. I don't call it a bad game its just not quite on the level yet. That can and will likely change. I wish it had been released without the myriad technical issues, and with the 3rd party facial animations, lighting, and such. Those fixes made a big impact; and removing the bugs would obviously do wonders. I think the reception would've been mostly positive, though maybe a bit lukewarm. When someone is lukewarm, though, and playing through horrific bugs... that's when you start seeing 6/10 scores. Personally I don't see anything wrong with a rating between 6 and 8. Not everything is a 9 or a 10, since that would hint at a near perfect game. Works the other way round also. Rating something a zero or 1 would imply a total train wreck. Which this certainly isn't. Not even at release and before the patch.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 13:10:06 GMT
I wish it had been released without the myriad technical issues, and with the 3rd party facial animations, lighting, and such. Those fixes made a big impact; and removing the bugs would obviously do wonders. I think the reception would've been mostly positive, though maybe a bit lukewarm. When someone is lukewarm, though, and playing through horrific bugs... that's when you start seeing 6/10 scores. Personally I don't see anything wrong with a rating between 6 and 8. Not everything is a 9 or a 10, since that would hint at a near perfect game. Works the other way round also. Rating something a zero or 1 would imply a total train wreck. Which this certainly isn't. Not even at release and before the patch. That makes logical sense, and allows for more nuanced ratings; but it's not how the industry works. If a triple-A title doesn't get at least an 8, it's likely going to be looked at as a disappointment, to some degree.
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Post by abaris on Apr 18, 2017 14:10:23 GMT
Personally I don't see anything wrong with a rating between 6 and 8. Not everything is a 9 or a 10, since that would hint at a near perfect game. Works the other way round also. Rating something a zero or 1 would imply a total train wreck. Which this certainly isn't. Not even at release and before the patch. That makes logical sense, and allows for more nuanced ratings; but it's not how the industry works. If a triple-A title doesn't get at least an 8, it's likely going to be looked at as a disappointment, to some degree. Yeah, but that's the industry being dishonest for quite some time now. There's kind of a reflex to automatically hand a 9 or 10 to any given AAA title. But there's a reason why the scale has ten digits. At release and having played MEA for quite some time, it's the first time I actually agree with the professional reviewers. I would rate the game somewhere between 7 and 8. One can have a lot of fun playing it, but there's oh so much wasted potential. Apart from the glitches, bugs and outright cringeworthy moments before they started doctoring the facial animations. At release, before being patched, I agree with the ones handing it a 6.
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Post by NormandySR3 on Apr 18, 2017 14:25:37 GMT
The first vid is how I feel. Me as well. I love the beginning of the first video above. Even just the first clip from the post-credits of ME3---with astronaut Buzz Aldrin talking about space travel---is a work of cinematic beauty that captures the sense of wonder and awe that makes science fiction so powerful. And unfortunately, that was lost in ME:A.
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Post by NormandySR3 on Apr 18, 2017 14:47:47 GMT
Couldn't agree more with most of the points in the vids. The third said what I feel about the game. Thanks for posting this. I had been following Minius GC's videos prior to launch and had always found his videos informative. This one also makes some really great points about all the unanswered questions in the story---which left the player unsatisfied rather than wanting more.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 18, 2017 23:19:09 GMT
I think all four vids sum up what's wrong with MEA. What I myself felt but could not articulate sensibly / logically / find the words for, I could only express my dissatisfaction in the best way I can. The rest of the vids out there only repeat the same points about poor / lengthy animations, the writing / dialogues, glitches but without pinpointing the heart of the problems or offering another unique POV.
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Post by timebean on Apr 19, 2017 13:27:10 GMT
"An interesting premise is one thing, a well told story is another" - 1st video.
Yep. I think this is why there have been comments likening this game to fan fiction. It does scratch an itch...that itch for more Mass Effect. But it is quantity over quality, imo.
I'll stick with it, and give it another chance if they make another game, release DLC, etc. But as much as I like some stuff in the game (and I really did enjoy a few moments in the game here and there), it was pretty disappointing.
OP, there are some very good (ie, thoughtful) reviews in the review thread. It is a shame that this is an "unofficial" forum, and that Bioware now seems to mostly get feedback from Twitter and Facebook. Despite the occasional bouts of vitriol and emo-driven despair, there are many articulate and intelligent fans in this forum that have keen insight into the good/bad of these games.
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Post by abaris on Apr 19, 2017 13:34:47 GMT
OP, there are some very good (ie, thoughtful) reviews in the review thread. It is a shame that this is an "unofficial" forum, and that Bioware now seems to mostly get feedback from Twitter and Facebook. Despite the occasional bouts of vitriol and emo-driven despair, there are many articulate and intelligent fans in this forum that have some powerful insight into the good/bad of these games. Twitter and Facebook are the garbage bins of communication. If they truly take their inspiration from there, most of us, hoping for some constructive doctoring, are screwed. But to be honest, most of what I enjoyed less about the game, cannot be doctored at all. The rather bland crew mates, as opposed to previous titles or the overall feel of being left with fetch and carry as far as side quests go. I haven't got anything against the open world concept, but it lacks content. For example I would have liked to see some development in my outposts and the Nexus. Such as the locations coming more and more alive with cryo pots being opened and the remnant machines doing their job. Some sense of achievement over time when revisiting a certain location. Most obvious in Voeld, which stays an inhospitable dump all through the game.
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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 20, 2017 4:37:48 GMT
I loved developing and solving problems for the colonies. Hated a lot of the silly fetch quests not related to the colony.
I like most of my companions, I suspect with time and additional DLC and sequels I could come to like them as much as I liked the originals. I hated Garrus in ME1 and he became my absolute favorite companion in ME2 and ME3. Cora I get the feeling has a lot more in her history then has been shared. Liam may seem lame now, but could evolve nicely.
I would ultimately like a blending of open world (one or two large Eos/Eladaan size maps) and more linear quest maps like Omega, the Kett base, the exaltation facility etc. Maybe more open areas in the Nexus. Would like to explore worlds like we did in the OT and come across a pirate base, Kett base, remanent facilty which is rather linear but adds some depth to the exploration of the planets.
I have said all along I felt like Andromeda had to do a lot of heavy lifting to bridge the original series and this new universe. The original ME1 was the weakest to me of the 3 games, but without it 2 and 3 wouldn't have worked. I remain hopeful MEA2 will deliver in a big way. Learning from what did and didn't work. The first patch already worked wonders for the technical issues with more to come. Bioware has a solid history of learning and evolving.
One thing I honestly felt they did well in this game is lay down choices both large and small which could pay off in really satisfying ways in DLC and sequels if done right. The Remanent core being a big one, but the decision of whether to teach milky way history in schools as a small but interesting one.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 20, 2017 5:27:51 GMT
I think I love the third video the most. I also feel like Bioware missed a great opportunity to tell a colonial story with hard choices. It would have been great if the Kett were just militaristic aliens who saw us as invaders and the Angarans were untrusting but willing to work with us but we should still be faced with the dilemma of uprooting them and possibly letting them die out for our own survival and so on. I think Bioware wanted to make us the heroes of the new galaxy, the good guys who come and save everyone from these evil Reaper like aliens and it was really disappointing. The Kett were bland, so were the Agarans, and most of the squadmates and crew. aside from the fetch quests and stupid Rem tech nonsense, I did enjoy the colony related missions.
Overall, I gave the game a 6/10. But I can't say I'm eager for MEA2. Just thinking of having to face the Kett again is enough to put me to sleep.
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