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Post by Iakus on Oct 21, 2016 19:27:00 GMT
Samantha not having a scene on the Citadel in the base game. I wonder what reason Bioware has for that I recall there being some discussion about this a while back. Not Samantha specifically but about the overall content of characters on and off the Normandy. I think what it came down to was everyone had the same number of lines, but those who had more scenes on the Normandy got less on the Citadel. And since you interact with Sam a lot on the Normandy....
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Post by joy on Oct 21, 2016 19:39:40 GMT
On the Ardat Yakshi monestary why is Shepard grabbing Falere to prevent her from staying on the room that is about to explode instead of Samara? Samara just walked away without taking care of her daughter. She doesn't even comfort Falere after the bomb explode, only Shepard is doing it.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 24, 2016 12:08:05 GMT
When Shepard passes out on the platform, his/her head is near the outer part of the platform. When Shepard is seen on his/her hands and knees, he/she is facing the other way. Its obvious that Shepard regained conciousness before arriving in the promised land to avoid having his/her left hand from being seriously injured or worse, but why is Shepard facing the opposite way? What reason did Shepard have to turn around?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 19:17:17 GMT
In ME3 when Dr. Chakwas and Engineer Adams are in the mess arguing about whether or not synthetics are alive and if Shepard sides with Engineer Adams (indicating that he/she feels that they are alive)... Dr. Chakwas responds with "You would say that, you two are practically machines anyways." It makes some sense that she could consider Shepard to be a machine because of his/her implants... but her including Engineer Adams in that assessment just makes no sense. He doesn't have any implants.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Oct 25, 2016 8:14:14 GMT
In ME3 when Dr. Chakwas and Engineer Adams are in the mess arguing about whether or not synthetics are alive and if Shepard sides with Engineer Adams (indicating that he/she feels that they are alive)... Dr. Chakwas responds with "You would say that, you two are practically machines anyways." It makes some sense that she could consider Shepard to be a machine because of his/her implants... but her including Engineer Adams in that assessment just makes no sense. He doesn't have any implants. I don't think she literally means that Adams is a machine. Maybe it's a metaphor for being a machine in the bedroom. That'd give the phrase a whole new meaning...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 10:44:51 GMT
In ME3 when Dr. Chakwas and Engineer Adams are in the mess arguing about whether or not synthetics are alive and if Shepard sides with Engineer Adams (indicating that he/she feels that they are alive)... Dr. Chakwas responds with "You would say that, you two are practically machines anyways." It makes some sense that she could consider Shepard to be a machine because of his/her implants... but her including Engineer Adams in that assessment just makes no sense. He doesn't have any implants. I don't think she literally means that Adams is a machine. Maybe it's a metaphor for being a machine in the bedroom. That'd give the phrase a whole new meaning... I agree - I don't think it's a slip up. There has to be a different "underlying" meaning here... Still, the entire context of the conversation is about organic vs. synthetic life forms; and the question is whether or not they are alive. The argument that Shepard supports by supporting Adams is that we have to open up our minds to consider forms of life not at all like our own... something that we seem to do more easily in the reverse... discounting organics who are undoubtedly alive as being "practically machines."
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2016 11:09:50 GMT
I always support Chakwas
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Post by Toledo wombat on Oct 25, 2016 21:51:29 GMT
I assumed that Dr C was joking and was referring to the fact that Adams, being an engineer tends to be methodical, logical, uses a lot of maths and works on machines a lot. Adams is virtually the Normandy's answer to her, when hardware gets broken, Adams fixes it, like Chakwas would a wound or a broken bone of the "organic" part of the crew. It's a bit like "Why Greg, you spend so much time with your head stuck in machinery you're practically one yourself."She's expected to be a "people person", she'd probably think it a huge insult if someone accused her of being robot-like.
Chakwas is very fond of Shepard and Adams, I think she's just teasing, she'd never set out to offend Shepard.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 31, 2016 18:58:16 GMT
On the Ardat Yakshi monestary why is Shepard grabbing Falere to prevent her from staying on the room that is about to explode instead of Samara? Samara just walked away without taking care of her daughter. She doesn't even comfort Falere after the bomb explode, only Shepard is doing it. Well, Samara was there to kill them if the temple fell...
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Post by regack on Oct 31, 2016 19:43:05 GMT
On the Ardat Yakshi monestary why is Shepard grabbing Falere to prevent her from staying on the room that is about to explode instead of Samara? Samara just walked away without taking care of her daughter. She doesn't even comfort Falere after the bomb explode, only Shepard is doing it. Well, Samara was there to kill them if the temple fell... I think this is more a matter of game design/budget. It seems to me that they only created the scene once, under the assumption that Samara would NOT be in the scene. It plays out the same if she's there or she isn't - it just doesn't make as much sense when she's there but doesn't help.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 31, 2016 20:25:20 GMT
Well, Samara was there to kill them if the temple fell... I think this is more a matter of game design/budget. It seems to me that they only created the scene once, under the assumption that Samara would NOT be in the scene. It plays out the same if she's there or she isn't - it just doesn't make as much sense when she's there but doesn't help. That is also true
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 14:35:56 GMT
ME1 - Shepard recruiting squad members on the Citadel as though he/she is in command of a ship... before being given a ship to command and, in most cases, even before he/she is actually even made a spectre.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 1, 2016 15:18:29 GMT
Being able to punch the reporter, but not able to punch Harkin for his comments towards femshep and Shepard not having the ability to push/shove/ whatever or even shoot the krogan when he pushes/shoves/whatever Shepard. Then on top of that asks about joining Shepard expecting Shepard will agree.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 2, 2016 6:40:06 GMT
ME1 - Shepard recruiting squad members on the Citadel as though he/she is in command of a ship... before being given a ship to command and, in most cases, even before he/she is actually even made a spectre. That's Garrus, Tali and Wrex, yes? I think he was technically only recruiting them to expose Saren. Tali was necessary, the other two less so. All three were already seeking Saren (or had info about him) so it seems like they would logically cross paths anyway. Also, none of those three set foot on the Normandy until Shepard has command. Ashley, of course, was technically recruited by Anderson. Even on Eden Prime she was just with them for the extra firepower they lost when Jenkins died. Anderson transferred her to the Normandy crew.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 11:44:04 GMT
As a squadmate? No. Only necessary for the audio file. There's is another way that would not of needed Tali. After talking to the council, Udina suggests that Shepard head to Feros since they lost communications with the colony and there were reports of geth in the area. The mission plays out the same except Shiala always lives. She is brought back to the council and tells them what she told Shepard. After that she joins the squad. That's one way that Tali isn'tneeded at all Can say the same about Tali. Depending on what dialogue is chosen, Shepard doesn't want her, but Udina is the one to suggest having her.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 15:54:19 GMT
Leviathan has been on that planet for however long. Why didn't they make any attempt to warn the cycle of the reapers? They were able to control the folks in the mining facility for 10 years. So why not use them to warn of the reapers?
Why didn't Wrex ask Shepard about the audio file he has that mentions sabotaging the cure? He does if the cure is sabotaged, but how would he know it was sabotaged? How would he know it was cured? Did Wreav receive the same audio file? If so, why didn't he mention it to Shepard?
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ME1 - Shepard recruiting squad members on the Citadel as though he/she is in command of a ship... before being given a ship to command and, in most cases, even before he/she is actually even made a spectre. That's Garrus, Tali and Wrex, yes? I think he was technically only recruiting them to expose Saren. Tali was necessary, the other two less so. All three were already seeking Saren (or had info about him) so it seems like they would logically cross paths anyway. Also, none of those three set foot on the Normandy until Shepard has command. Ashley, of course, was technically recruited by Anderson. Even on Eden Prime she was just with them for the extra firepower they lost when Jenkins died. Anderson transferred her to the Normandy crew. Your reasoning provides a bit of a workaround... Still, recruiting anyone to come even to the Council meeting (which is the only thing left shy of recruiting her to go onto the Normandy) is, at that point in the game, Anderson's call (as Shepard's CO) or Udina's call (as Ambassador)... not Shepard's call at all as merely and XO. The conversation with Tali also includes things like references to her being on her pilgramage and her fighting prowess... all of which makes no sense if Shepard is just inviting her to help present her evidence to the Council at that point. Also, about Ashley... If you take a few elevators during that first trip to the Citadel, Kaidan will usually, at some point, ask Ashley if she's glad she signed on with Commander Shepard. At the very least, this conversation triggering before Shepard is even a spectre makes no sense and really doesn't make sense at any point because Ashley did sign onto the Normandy crew under Anderson, not Shepard.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 3, 2016 3:08:35 GMT
That's Garrus, Tali and Wrex, yes? I think he was technically only recruiting them to expose Saren. Tali was necessary, the other two less so. All three were already seeking Saren (or had info about him) so it seems like they would logically cross paths anyway. Also, none of those three set foot on the Normandy until Shepard has command. Ashley, of course, was technically recruited by Anderson. Even on Eden Prime she was just with them for the extra firepower they lost when Jenkins died. Anderson transferred her to the Normandy crew. Your reasoning provides a bit of a workaround... Still, recruiting anyone to come even to the Council meeting (which is the only thing left shy of recruiting her to go onto the Normandy) is, at that point in the game, Anderson's call (as Shepard's CO) or Udina's call (as Ambassador)... not Shepard's call at all as merely and XO. The conversation with Tali also includes things like references to her being on her pilgramage and her fighting prowess... all of which makes no sense if Shepard is just inviting her to help present her evidence to the Council at that point. Also, about Ashley... If you take a few elevators during that first trip to the Citadel, Kaidan will usually, at some point, ask Ashley if she's glad she signed on with Commander Shepard. At the very least, this conversation triggering before Shepard is even a spectre makes no sense and really doesn't make sense at any point because Ashley did sign onto the Normandy crew under Anderson, not Shepard. Shepard didn't just show up at the Council meeting with Tali. Tali went to the human embassy. Udina then brought her to the Council meeting. As far as what information Tali chooses to reveal, that's entirely her business. It doesn't mean they're hanging together forever. I can't comment on this Ashley/Kaidan conversation because it's never been triggered in any ME1 PT I've had.
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Post by straykat on Nov 3, 2016 3:14:59 GMT
Well, Samara was there to kill them if the temple fell... I think this is more a matter of game design/budget. It seems to me that they only created the scene once, under the assumption that Samara would NOT be in the scene. It plays out the same if she's there or she isn't - it just doesn't make as much sense when she's there but doesn't help. At the same time, it doesn't make sense if you don't have Samara, rush out of the temple with Falere... and THEN kill her. To me, it only makes sense to kill her if you do have Samara and she commited suicide. It's weird to rescue Falere all alone and then do that to her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 10:36:44 GMT
Your reasoning provides a bit of a workaround... Still, recruiting anyone to come even to the Council meeting (which is the only thing left shy of recruiting her to go onto the Normandy) is, at that point in the game, Anderson's call (as Shepard's CO) or Udina's call (as Ambassador)... not Shepard's call at all as merely and XO. The conversation with Tali also includes things like references to her being on her pilgramage and her fighting prowess... all of which makes no sense if Shepard is just inviting her to help present her evidence to the Council at that point. Also, about Ashley... If you take a few elevators during that first trip to the Citadel, Kaidan will usually, at some point, ask Ashley if she's glad she signed on with Commander Shepard. At the very least, this conversation triggering before Shepard is even a spectre makes no sense and really doesn't make sense at any point because Ashley did sign onto the Normandy crew under Anderson, not Shepard. Shepard didn't just show up at the Council meeting with Tali. Tali went to the human embassy. Udina then brought her to the Council meeting. As far as what information Tali chooses to reveal, that's entirely her business. It doesn't mean they're hanging together forever. I can't comment on this Ashley/Kaidan conversation because it's never been triggered in any ME1 PT I've had. You're arguing against your own previous point now. If now you acknowledge that Udina is the one who brings her into the Council meeting, then her asking to come along with Shepard (and moving to stand next to him) has to be about coming aboard the ship. Combined with all the talk about Shepard knowing what she can do and Shepard's responses about her still being on her pilgrimage (which are optional)... that conversation cannot be about just recruiting her to look for evidence to bring Saren down on the Citadel anymore. It has to involve recruiting her (or at least allowing her) to come aboard the Normandy... and Shepard does not, at that point in time, have command of the Normandy. It still makes no sense that Shepard would just assume he could be the one to give permission to Tali to come aboard the ship. He should have at least asked Anderson for permission on her behalf. The Elevator Conversation goes like this: Kaidan - "Are you happy you signed on with Commander Shepard?" Ashley - "I'm not sure Lieutenant. Every time I think I have a handle on things, the universe banks hard to port." The conversation can make some sense if triggered after leaving the Citadel and coming back again; although I think both Kaidan and Ashley should think that they signed onto the Normandy with Anderson, not Shepard regardless and serving under Shepard would just be a continuation of that post, not a re-signing. However, the conversation is quite easy to trigger it before Shepard becomes a spectre. I usually get it when using the elevator from the ward's access right after the first meeting in the Citadel Tower, since I usually take the elevator up the tower the first time rather than using the rapid transit and I also take the elevator back down the tower after that first meeting and then go through the wards access and take the elevator there, walking through the wards access to come out near where Emily Wong is standing. As i said, I usually get the above conversation in that elevator. I just don't think Bioware gave much thought to the issue.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 3, 2016 11:44:35 GMT
Shepard didn't just show up at the Council meeting with Tali. Tali went to the human embassy. Udina then brought her to the Council meeting. As far as what information Tali chooses to reveal, that's entirely her business. It doesn't mean they're hanging together forever. I can't comment on this Ashley/Kaidan conversation because it's never been triggered in any ME1 PT I've had. You're arguing against your own previous point now. If now you acknowledge that Udina is the one who brings her into the Council meeting, then her asking to come along with Shepard (and moving to stand next to him) has to be about coming aboard the ship. Combined with all the talk about Shepard knowing what she can do and Shepard's responses about her still being on her pilgrimage (which are optional)... that conversation cannot be about just recruiting her to look for evidence to bring Saren down on the Citadel anymore. It has to involve recruiting her (or at least allowing her) to come aboard the Normandy... and Shepard does not, at that point in time, have command of the Normandy. It still makes no sense that Shepard would just assume he could be the one to give permission to Tali to come aboard the ship. He should have at least asked Anderson for permission on her behalf. The Elevator Conversation goes like this: Kaidan - "Are you happy you signed on with Commander Shepard?" Ashley - "I'm not sure Lieutenant. Every time I think I have a handle on things, the universe banks hard to port." The conversation can make some sense if triggered after leaving the Citadel and coming back again; although I think both Kaidan and Ashley should think that they signed onto the Normandy with Anderson, not Shepard regardless and serving under Shepard would just be a continuation of that post, not a re-signing. However, the conversation is quite easy to trigger it before Shepard becomes a spectre. I usually get it when using the elevator from the ward's access right after the first meeting in the Citadel Tower, since I usually take the elevator up the tower the first time rather than using the rapid transit and I also take the elevator back down the tower after that first meeting and then go through the wards access and take the elevator there, walking through the wards access to come out near where Emily Wong is standing. As i said, I usually get the above conversation in that elevator. I just don't think Bioware gave much thought to the issue. Well, I'm not really arguing against myself. By this point, Shepard has become a Spectre. That means he's already going to have ability to operate on his own and have his own team. He may not know the specifics but he knows something has to be put together. He doesn't know whether or not he's going to be on the Normandy anymore since he's technically just been moved from Alliance operative to Council operative. And, now that you've cited it, I realize I have seen that conversation. Just don't remember the "Commander Shepard" part. That's an error in writing then because Shepard was unconscious when Ashley was made a part of the Normandy crew.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 12:14:14 GMT
You're arguing against your own previous point now. If now you acknowledge that Udina is the one who brings her into the Council meeting, then her asking to come along with Shepard (and moving to stand next to him) has to be about coming aboard the ship. Combined with all the talk about Shepard knowing what she can do and Shepard's responses about her still being on her pilgrimage (which are optional)... that conversation cannot be about just recruiting her to look for evidence to bring Saren down on the Citadel anymore. It has to involve recruiting her (or at least allowing her) to come aboard the Normandy... and Shepard does not, at that point in time, have command of the Normandy. It still makes no sense that Shepard would just assume he could be the one to give permission to Tali to come aboard the ship. He should have at least asked Anderson for permission on her behalf. The Elevator Conversation goes like this: Kaidan - "Are you happy you signed on with Commander Shepard?" Ashley - "I'm not sure Lieutenant. Every time I think I have a handle on things, the universe banks hard to port." The conversation can make some sense if triggered after leaving the Citadel and coming back again; although I think both Kaidan and Ashley should think that they signed onto the Normandy with Anderson, not Shepard regardless and serving under Shepard would just be a continuation of that post, not a re-signing. However, the conversation is quite easy to trigger it before Shepard becomes a spectre. I usually get it when using the elevator from the ward's access right after the first meeting in the Citadel Tower, since I usually take the elevator up the tower the first time rather than using the rapid transit and I also take the elevator back down the tower after that first meeting and then go through the wards access and take the elevator there, walking through the wards access to come out near where Emily Wong is standing. As i said, I usually get the above conversation in that elevator. I just don't think Bioware gave much thought to the issue. Well, I'm not really arguing against myself. By this point, Shepard has become a Spectre. That means he's already going to have ability to operate on his own and have his own team. He may not know the specifics but he knows something has to be put together. He doesn't know whether or not he's going to be on the Normandy anymore since he's technically just been moved from Alliance operative to Council operative. And, now that you've cited it, I realize I have seen that conversation. Just don't remember the "Commander Shepard" part. That's an error in writing then because Shepard was unconscious when Ashley was made a part of the Normandy crew. No, he has not become a spectre yet when he recruits Tali. He's just acquired the evidence from her, but they haven't yet gone to present that evidence to the Council. It's after they present the evidence that Shepard becomes a spectre.
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Post by straykat on Nov 3, 2016 17:36:26 GMT
I also figured squadmates are "with" Shepard, whenever it's convenient.. that I have to separate gameplay and story sometimes. There's a gameplay limitation to who is literally with Shep, but that doesn't always mean they weren't there. For example, Garrus and Wrex speak as if they encountered the Rachni queen before, when talking in ME3. Or you can defend Tali in ME2 as someone who was with you on the Citadel and defeated Saren... Or conversely, Joker can say Ash was with you on the frontlines defeating Saren.... or Liara is reminiscent of Ilos as if she's been there.
Not sure if I'm being entirely relevant. Just my 2c on the above conversation here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 18:13:17 GMT
I also figured squadmates are "with" Shepard, whenever it's convenient.. that I have to separate gameplay and story sometimes. There's a gameplay limitation to who is literally with Shep, but that doesn't always mean they weren't there. For example, Garrus and Wrex speak as if they encountered the Rachni queen before, when talking in ME3. Or you can defend Tali in ME2 as someone who was with you on the Citadel and defeated Saren... Or conversely, Joker can say Ash was with you on the frontlines defeating Saren.... or Liara is reminiscent of Ilos as if she's been there. Not sure if I'm being entirely relevant. Just my 2c on the above conversation here. Yeah, a lot of those conversations can make no sense either depending on who Shepard took on the squad. I often can't remember who I took on individual missions so it took me awhile to notice that they said the same thing regardless of whether or not they had actually been taken on those mission. I still think though that "joined up with Shepard" implies something different. I do think the conversation in the elevator is a writing error... or maybe a coding one. They might have intended to prevent that line from triggering during the first visit to the Citadel and just overlooked it when coding it. There are other lines that trigger only after certain events... like the news report on Kohoku's death. Another thing that doesn't make sense though... Shepard can ask Anderson about Kohoku after Kohoku's dead - Shepard will still just ask if Anderson knows where he can find him and Anderson will still say that he thinks he's in the tower asking about his men. The first time I activated that option after just hearing about Kohoku's death in the elevator was rather confusing since I was expecting Shepard to tell Anderson about Kohoku's death instead of asking where he could find him.
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Post by straykat on Nov 3, 2016 18:15:43 GMT
I also figured squadmates are "with" Shepard, whenever it's convenient.. that I have to separate gameplay and story sometimes. There's a gameplay limitation to who is literally with Shep, but that doesn't always mean they weren't there. For example, Garrus and Wrex speak as if they encountered the Rachni queen before, when talking in ME3. Or you can defend Tali in ME2 as someone who was with you on the Citadel and defeated Saren... Or conversely, Joker can say Ash was with you on the frontlines defeating Saren.... or Liara is reminiscent of Ilos as if she's been there. Not sure if I'm being entirely relevant. Just my 2c on the above conversation here. Yeah, a lot of those conversations can make no sense either depending on who Shepard took on the squad. I often can't remember who I took on individual missions so it took me awhile to notice that they said the same thing regardless of whether or not they had actually been taken on those mission. I still think though that "joined up with Shepard" implies something different. I do think the conversation in the elevator is a writing error... or maybe a coding one. They might have intended to prevent that line from triggering during the first visit to the Citadel and just overlooked it when coding it. There are other lines that trigger only after certain events... like the news report on Kohoku's death. Another thing that doesn't make sense though... Shepard can ask Anderson about Kohoku after Kohoku's dead - Shepard will still just ask if Anderson knows where he can find him and Anderson will still say that he thinks he's in the tower asking about his men. The first time I activated that option after just hearing about Kohoku's death in the elevator was rather confusing since I was expecting Shepard to tell Anderson about Kohoku's death instead of asking where he could find him. I think that's just a goofup. I think it's supposed to naturally play out with finding Dr. Michel first, learning about Banes, asking Michel about Banes, and then you go to Anderson for confirmation...who tells you about Kahoku. Either that or just instantly running into the Admiral yourself. But I've had that odd dialogue sequence before as well. I like it playing out that other way above.
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