Things that don't make sense (v2)

Why, oh why, did EDI think attempting to seize control of the infiltration unit while on Menae was in any way a good idea?

I am not sure why you insist on Shepard "not knowing" that seekers can target non-humans. It was absolutely never established. As I already said multiple times, and as the game itself says, one possibility is that the seekers missed that quarian due to his suit. Your supposition that Shepard couldn't possibly anticipate otherwise is simply wrong. I can assure you that until you mentioned it, it never ever occurred to me as a player that non-human squadmates may be invulnerable to them. I always assumed, ever since Freedom's Progress, that there was a strong possibility that seekers may affect anyone. And in any case, it's such a minor point. Equating it with the galaxy-saving McGuffin weapon is... questionable.

I am totally lost in this conversation.

Let me put it this way. An enemy deployed a new weapon. That weapon targeted a single species, but that may be because only this one species was present at the site. A single member of another species was present, but he was hidden away and in an exosuit that was specifically said to be a possible if unconfirmed reason he was not affected by the weapon. No other evidence on the efficiency of the weapon exists. I really really really fail to understand how this can lead anyone to say that Shepard couldn't possibly anticipate that this weapon may actually affect other species.

Your logic is faulty, I'm afraid. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Well, what's the problem then? Your Shepard used faulty logic to arrive at the wrong conclusion. How is that the game's fault?

Mostly illogical thinking. We all have our pet peeves.

It's possible... and I have already acknowledged that twice with Mr. Fixit when I said that his head canon was reasonable.

It's still head canon.  There is an counter-indication that Veetor was not locked away the entire time of the attack because Tali clearly indicates he saw the Quarian land and then locked himself away in that warehouse.  Sure, I can further adjust my head canon... it's possible Veetor popped his head out after the attack was done.  And yes, Delan was not frozen on Horizon by staying locked up.  However, why then weren't there other survivors on the other colonies... I mean, really... No single person in the tens of thousands of people missing thought to lock themselves away in warehouses????  Why didn't they radio for help????  Why didn't they describe the nature of the attack when calling for help???? 

Mr. Fixit goes on to suggest that it was Veetor's exosuit... but the seeker swarms on the long walk have absolutely no difficulty in detecting Tali in her exosuit on the Long Walk.  Also, it might be rare for a Quarian to be in a human colony... but not one single alien gone mission amid the tens of thousands of people in the numerous colonies that went missing???

... and none of that explains or even hints towards the seeker swarms devouring people the way they are shown to do so on the Long Walk.  (and this has been repeatedly just ignored in this discussion).

It's STILL poor writing on the part of Bioware...  a clear change of the modus operandi of the seeker swarms and a departure from what they were hinting towards at the beginning of the game.  That is, the stuff about seeker swarms Bioware hinted towards at the beginning of the game is not what seeker swarms were at the end game.  Veetor clearly says "They sting you, freeze you."  On Horizon, we saw that they froze people.... and Bioware failed to progressively provide clues of anything different happening until the Long Walk.

The player shouldn't have to pull an explanation out of his arse air due to the "absense of evidence."  Good Mystery writers provide clues so that the readers can use those clues to piece to together the mystery by the end of the story.

This "good writing practice" is lacking in ME3 (which has been long noted by numerous other people on this site); but it is also lacking in ME2 in this case.  To point out poor writing is NOT illogical thinking.  It would have been better writing if they had of put in some clues earlier in the game about seekers swarms devouring some victims or about some aliens going missing as well.  Show me where they show or even hint earlier in the game that seeker swarms carry away and devour their victims... and I'll rest my point (which is, again, that ME2 is poorly written in the same ways as ME3 is and could have been better written if some clues had been inserted earlier in the game.)

I will excuse myself from further commenting on this thread as your logic is repeatedly... less than ideal.



Starting at 1:55 you can see the initial confrontation with Veetor.

Shepard: Why didn't the Collectors take you?
Veetor: Swarms didn't find me. Monsters didn't know I was here.
Jacob: The collectors aren't known for being careless. Maybe his enviro-suit kept him from showing up on their sensors.
Miranda: Or they were using technology specifically designed to detect humans.

You took this conversation, as well as the fact that Collectors target only human colonies, as evidence that BioWare didn't properly establish that seeker swarms could affect non-humans, which can happen during the Long Walk segment of the Suicide Mission. As can be seen, nothing of the sort was ever established. Jacob and Miranda put forward two hypotheses on Veetor's escape with none, or either, being provably true. There could even be a third explanation: maybe seekers simply missed him like the guy on Horizon who hid and escaped. As for "devouring", I don't see why it matters. Would it make a difference if the swarm mass-stung the victim to death? The result would be the same.

Haha, I feel very silly for engaging in this conversation. Maybe we could both just shake hands and stop being silly?

ME1 - Vigil claims claim that "one of many" eventualities they considered was that some species would survive the harvest, find a beacon, and that would lead them to Ilos. The first thing Vigil tells Shepard is that "surprise" the Citadel is an inactive Mass Relay that, if activated, will allow the Reapers to pour through a begin their harvest. Why didn't the Protheans instead just outright include a warning about the Citadel being a Mass Relay in the beacon... rather than this "come to Ilos map... and we have this VI who will tell you in person" garbage. The Protheans had no reason to expect that Ilos would remain safe and undiscovered for 50,000 years (or else they would have provided the place with enough power to keep all the pods in stasis for that length of time). Wasn't one of the eventualities the Protheans should have considered is that species from future cycles who did make it do Ilos would not find even a barely functioning VI to tell them what they really needed to warn them about in the first place?

Vigil also mentions that they wanted to let their own people know about Ilos just in case some survived. However, that information shouldn't stop them from including an actual warning about the Citadel Mass Relay in every beacon.

I agree... but ssshhhh... careful, you may now just be restarting a pages long debate with others here.

Yes, that message was sent out after the Reapers went home... AFTER the Protheans clearly realized that the Citadel was a Mass Relay and a trap.  Vigil states two purposes for the message... First, he indicates it was a warning about the Reapers and then later on indicates that it was to draw people to Ilos (taking a huge risk that they might reveal Ilos to the Reapers in the process).

If purpose A is to be fulfilled (warn about the reapers)... why not state categorically in the message "The Citadel is a relay and a trap that lets the Reapers into the galaxy?"

Well, in ME3, we learn that the Asari discovered a beacon long before anyone else on their home planet of Thessia (so it may have even been discovered before they discovered the Citadel).  Had they be forewarned about the Citadel being a trap... maybe, just maybe, they would not have made it their seat of galactic government.  Maybe, just maybe, they would have found a way to steer an asteroid into it and destroyed instead.  Maybe, just maybe, technology would not have developed along the lines the Reapers desired.

So, to be sure to directly answer the question... Yeah, I think it would have made a huge difference.