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Post by nougat on Feb 21, 2017 15:36:23 GMT
ME lore and general plot are littered with numerous inconsistencies, rewritings and idiocies, so I'll just focus on some smaller things:
- after being made the Council Spectre Shepard is still tied to the Alliance Navy. Hell of a conflict of interest, isn't it?
- introducing mind-melding and suit recording but not using it when it's most needed.
- not bringing Shiala for testimony (if she's still alive ofc).
- Tali and Shala'Raan not attacking Shepard and geth if the geth side is chosen. You know, to stop the code upload and their people annihilation.
- Udina and possibly Williams or Alenko being mortally shot instead of being temporally neutralized during the coup. All for the cheap dramazzz.
- Kaidan and Ash being morphed in one "Virmire survivor" character. I can't even force myself to play ME3 with Ashley, because I feel as it would cheapen both her and Kaidan stories.
- direct result of my previous point: Alenko never using his biotics when it's most called-for, like the Collector's attack, on Mars and during the coup standoff. Especially since all biotic squadmates and major characters have multiple displays of their abilities during cutscenes, when it's appropriate or not. (Kaidan and (arguably) Jacob are exception. But in Jacob case, you can use him for biotic shield during the Long Walk. Also Jacob' biotics are not that kind of character arc lynchpin).
- only one class-specific (biotic/tech) option (interrupt) in all three games, and it's in dlc (Omega, engineer).
- Shepard not having a say re: EDI as squadmate.
- Joker/EDI "romance" in ME3. Cringeworthy, to put it mildly.
- Shepard's "wailing" about Thessia.
- being forced to have multiple alien squadmates and only 2 alliance soldiers on the Alliance military run ship in ME1 (+ recruitment of krogan mercenary).
- Jack recruitment in ME2.
- Shepard not being fried during targeting the Rannoch reaper.
Et cetera...
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2017 17:44:00 GMT
- after being made the Council Spectre Shepard is still tied to the Alliance Navy. Hell of a conflict of interest, isn't it? - Shepard's "wailing" about Thessia. About the first point here, I always assumed Shepard made a choice to follow Alliance command but didn't need to. Yes, though, that is a conflict. Perhaps Shepard felt it was useful to make use of Alliance resources, much as he uses Cerberus resources in ME2. To me, using Cerberus as part of his Spectre duties makes more sense than being a rogue Spectre. On the second point, yeah, this was overdone. However, I don't think the problem was the loss of Thessia itself so much as the loss of Vendetta and the information it had on the Catalyst. Losing that to indoctrinated forces might have made it seem like all was lost. Generally agree on other points. |
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Post by melbella on Feb 26, 2017 4:19:27 GMT
Just flew to Thessia to get the artifact. A couple scans of the area indicate.....no reapers anywhere near it. 
I have also noticed in my current game that scans will alert reapers in non-relay systems even if they don't alert reapers in the relay system of the same cluster.
Edit: Also no reapers on the scanner before leaving Thessia system. So, either the scanner is broken, or all those ships landing on the planet must have just been my imagination.  |
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 26, 2017 10:55:24 GMT
Started a total douchebag run through ME2 with the intent to kill off as many squad mates as possible for import into ME3. The first convo with the Illusive Man is total nonsense. He says that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of colonists have gone missing, but no one reacts because it happened in "remote areas". Really? Up to a million humans are probably dead -- most likely the biggest disaster and loss of life in human spacefaring history -- and no one gives a shit, only Cerberus? This has got to be one of the biggest BS asspulls in the trilogy.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 26, 2017 14:03:36 GMT
Started a total douchebag run through ME2 with the intent to kill off as many squad mates as possible for import into ME3. The first convo with the Illusive Man is total nonsense. He says that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of colonists have gone missing, but no one reacts because it happened in "remote areas". Really? Up to a million humans are probably dead -- most likely the biggest disaster and loss of life in human spacefaring history -- and no one gives a shit, only Cerberus? This has got to be one of the biggest BS asspulls in the trilogy. Yes, but remember that it all happens in the Terminus systems where the Alliance aren't liked, it's likely that TIM is twisting the truth. In ME1 when Shepard says to send in a fleet after Saren on Ilos, the council reject it and say it could start a war with the Terminus systems. Even when the Alliance started trying to build relationships by sending Kaidan/Ashley to Horizon, the colonists weren't happy about it. If they sent in ships to investigate the attacks, the rest of the Terminus might see it the wrong way. Their hands were tied, there wasn't much they could do. TIM and Cerberus aren't as hated, which is why Shepard worked with them to stop the Collectors. |
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Post by themikefest on Mar 15, 2017 16:10:37 GMT
edi is able to scan the collector ship in ME2. The player learns its the one that destroyed the SR1. edi is able to scan the collector base enough to have a hologram of it to use when Shepard and squad are gathered together. Even TIM mentions he's looking at the schematics edi uploaded.
So why couldn't the same happen for the reaper that had the IFF? Sending data about it to Hackett and others could help finding a weakness they may have.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 16, 2017 11:57:17 GMT
Finished ME3 yesterday. Makes absolutely no sense to me how Harbinger ignores the Normandy as it flies in to pick up your squad mates during the run to the beam. It's a big massive ship, Shepard's ship, it's sitting there for a whole minute, it would take two seconds to destroy. Hell, if he's just going to ignore it, why not use it to drop everybody into the beam safely?
Also, I don't understand why the Catalyst can't simply destroy the Reapers, and leave every other synthetic alone. If it controls them, and gives Shepard choices on how to end it, why can't it?
Edit: One more thing: The Catalyst says synthetics will always turn against their creators, which is kind of ironic that it/the Reapers turned against the Leviathans which created it/them to solve this problem. The Catalyst says the Leviathans did not realise they were part of the problem, but wouldn't that also mean the Reapers were part of the problem too? Yet the Catalyst never acknowledges it nor can you bring it up. Surely that would make it think twice, maybe even reconsider. Or maybe the Reapers aren't as intelligent as we think and are incapable of thinking outside their "purpose".
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Post by fraggle on Mar 16, 2017 12:30:03 GMT
Also, I don't understand why the Catalyst can't simply destroy the Reapers, and leave every other synthetic alone. If it controls them, and gives Shepard choices on how to end it, why can't it? The Catalyst doesn't favour Destroy at all, so why would it? It still believes that synthetics will wipe out all organics at some point. However, Shepard changed the variables and the Crucible changed the Catalyst. It's all quite ambiguous and we never got the full meaning of these words, but I can live with that because it can make for some interesting interpretations  |
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 16, 2017 12:39:43 GMT
Also, I don't understand why the Catalyst can't simply destroy the Reapers, and leave every other synthetic alone. If it controls them, and gives Shepard choices on how to end it, why can't it? The Catalyst doesn't favour Destroy at all, so why would it? It still believes that synthetics will wipe out all organics at some point. However, Shepard changed the variables and the Crucible changed the Catalyst. It's all quite ambiguous and we never got the full meaning of these words, but I can live with that because it can make for some interesting interpretations Because the variables have been altered, the Catalyst says its "solution" will not work anymore, so it gives Shepard the choice to destroy and doesn't try to stop her. |
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Post by Iakus on Mar 16, 2017 13:37:09 GMT
Finished ME3 yesterday. Makes absolutely no sense to me how Harbinger ignores the Normandy as it flies in to pick up your squad mates during the run to the beam. It's a big massive ship, Shepard's ship, it's sitting there for a whole minute, it would take two seconds to destroy. Hell, if he's just going to ignore it, why not use it to drop everybody into the beam safely? Also, I don't understand why the Catalyst can't simply destroy the Reapers, and leave every other synthetic alone. If it controls them, and gives Shepard choices on how to end it, why can't it? Edit: One more thing: The Catalyst says synthetics will always turn against their creators, which is kind of ironic that it/the Reapers turned against the Leviathans which created it/them to solve this problem. The Catalyst says the Leviathans did not realise they were part of the problem, but wouldn't that also mean the Reapers were part of the problem too? Yet the Catalyst never acknowledges it nor can you bring it up. Surely that would make it think twice, maybe even reconsider. Or maybe the Reapers aren't as intelligent as we think and are incapable of thinking outside their "purpose". It's "Art" |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 16, 2017 13:45:00 GMT
The Catalyst doesn't favour Destroy at all, so why would it? It still believes that synthetics will wipe out all organics at some point. However, Shepard changed the variables and the Crucible changed the Catalyst. It's all quite ambiguous and we never got the full meaning of these words, but I can live with that because it can make for some interesting interpretations Because the variables have been altered, the Catalyst says its "solution" will not work anymore, so it gives Shepard the choice to destroy and doesn't try to stop her. Oh, you meant why the Catalyst just lets Shepard choose at all without stopping them? Because it's just a hologram I assume? |
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 16, 2017 14:18:21 GMT
Because the variables have been altered, the Catalyst says its "solution" will not work anymore, so it gives Shepard the choice to destroy and doesn't try to stop her. Oh, you meant why the Catalyst just lets Shepard choose at all without stopping them? Because it's just a hologram I assume? Yeah, but it never even had to give Shepard a choice to begin with is what I'm trying to say. It willingly gives you all these choices, but not one where only the Reapers are killed. Even though it controls them and has the ability to destroy or make them destroy themselves, the Catalyst never gives you the option. I hope I'm explaining this right. |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 16, 2017 15:01:08 GMT
Oh, you meant why the Catalyst just lets Shepard choose at all without stopping them? Because it's just a hologram I assume? Yeah, but it never even had to give Shepard a choice to begin with is what I'm trying to say. It willingly gives you all these choices, but not one where only the Reapers are killed. Even though it controls them and has the ability to destroy or make them destroy themselves, the Catalyst never gives you the option. I hope I'm explaining this right. Okay, I think I got it now And I hope I do have an answer for you. In case of only killing the Reapers in Destroy, it's the Crucible's doing, not the Catalyst's. A common interpretation is that the Crucible targets Reaper Code, which also both EDI and the geth have. So even if the Catalyst somehow would want to spare them, it can't, because that's what the Crucible does. Perhaps older civilisations added something to the plans to only target Reapers, and the code was the option to do it. If EDI and the geth wouldn't have the Reaper Code they might have survived. As to why it doesn't make them destroy themselves, I still would say it's not the option it would take for itself. If Shepard doesn't act, then nothing will change. It will continue to harvest until it finds a better solution. It doesn't think of the harvest as something bad, so it would not just destroy its creations. Each Reaper contains the essence and knowledge of a species, so they would actually be forever lost if it killed them just like that. As for why it helps Shepard in the first place, there are several ideas floating around from what I remember. - The Catalyst helps Shepard because it 'beat' the Reapers and they are able to do something to them by deploying the Crucible. That maybe Shepard had earned the right to change the organics' fate because they beat all the odds. - Maybe it's just somehow overriden by the Crucible. - If Synthesis is available, it could be the Catalyst helps Shepard so it can convince them to finally achieve Synthesis. Well, to make this short in the end... we will never have a clear answer on that I guess. They wanted speculation, and got it |
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 16, 2017 15:27:34 GMT
Yeah, but it never even had to give Shepard a choice to begin with is what I'm trying to say. It willingly gives you all these choices, but not one where only the Reapers are killed. Even though it controls them and has the ability to destroy or make them destroy themselves, the Catalyst never gives you the option. I hope I'm explaining this right. It will continue to harvest until it finds a better solution. It doesn't think of the harvest as something bad, so it would not just destroy its creations. Each Reaper contains the essence and knowledge of a species, so they would actually be forever lost if it killed them just like that. As for why it helps Shepard in the first place, there are several ideas floating around from what I remember. - The Catalyst helps Shepard because it 'beat' the Reapers and they are able to do something to them by deploying the Crucible. That maybe Shepard had earned the right to change the organics' fate because they beat all the odds. That sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. The Catalyst gives Shepard choices that are confined to the workings of the Crucible if she wishes to. Destruction of the Reapers only isn't something that Shepard is able to do simply because of the way the Crucible works and the Catalyst refuses or can't make or act upon a decision itself, so it's out of the equation. Makes sense. |
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Post by themikefest on Mar 16, 2017 15:54:22 GMT
Finished ME3 yesterday. Makes absolutely no sense to me how Harbinger ignores the Normandy as it flies in to pick up your squad mates during the run to the beam. It's a big massive ship, Shepard's ship, it's sitting there for a whole minute, it would take two seconds to destroy. Hell, if he's just going to ignore it, why not use it to drop everybody into the beam safely? The what-the-crap evac scene. That's what it was, crap. It was stupid. Its one of the funniest scenes in the game. When choosing the top right dialogue, Shepard says, "I need to know someone will make it out alive". Really? If the reapers aren't stopped everyone will end up dead. When choosing the bottom dialogue, Shepard says, "You're in no condition to fight. Get to the medbay". Really? Throughout the trilogy, if a squadmate is "killed" during a mission, Shepard can use medigel. So what changed? Wait a minute. Is it because Bioware only wanted Anderson and Shepard on the Citadel for the touchy-feely scene? I'm sure that's why. If Shepard's LI is on the beam run, the player gets another goodbye scene even though they already had one a short time ago. You-who, Mr. Harbinger, sir? Can you stop firing your beam of doom for a minute while I say goodbye to my LI again? All that to explain how the squadmates got back on the Normandy. Its too bad Harbinger didn't fire at the Normandy. Seeing the ship be destroyed. That would be the best scene in the trilogy. |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 16, 2017 17:27:39 GMT
That sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. The Catalyst gives Shepard choices that are confined to the workings of the Crucible if she wishes to. Destruction of the Reapers only isn't something that Shepard is able to do simply because of the way the Crucible works and the Catalyst refuses or can't make or act upon a decision itself, so it's out of the equation. Makes sense. I know a lot of people dislike the ending and I do admit it's not perfect (though I really like it). But I love reading through theories or thinking up an explanation myself with which I can live just fine. |
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 16, 2017 17:39:56 GMT
That sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. The Catalyst gives Shepard choices that are confined to the workings of the Crucible if she wishes to. Destruction of the Reapers only isn't something that Shepard is able to do simply because of the way the Crucible works and the Catalyst refuses or can't make or act upon a decision itself, so it's out of the equation. Makes sense. I know a lot of people dislike the ending and I do admit it's not perfect (though I really like it). But I love reading through theories or thinking up an explanation myself with which I can live just fine. I agree, it's pretty cool how many different ways you can interpret or theorise it. It could be better, but I still think it's not as bad as some people think say it is. The only thing I really wish was different is a "perfect" ending where only the Reapers are killed and Shepard survives (the breathe ending doesn't count in my opinion). |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 16, 2017 17:55:53 GMT
I know a lot of people dislike the ending and I do admit it's not perfect (though I really like it). But I love reading through theories or thinking up an explanation myself with which I can live just fine. I agree, it's pretty cool how many different ways you can interpret or theorise it. It could be better, but I still think it's not as bad as some people think say it is. The only thing I really wish was different is a "perfect" ending where only the Reapers are killed and Shepard survives (the breathe ending doesn't count in my opinion). For me the breath scene works just fine because I'm free to imagine my own ending, which is one of the biggest reasons why I like it  But I totally can understand wanting a proper sendoff! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 18, 2017 19:23:33 GMT
I landed on Feros. The greeter is shot by the geth. Kaidan's response? "Now it get's fun!" Hell of a way to handle an innocent person being killed right in front of you.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Mar 18, 2017 20:21:18 GMT
I landed on Feros. The greeter is shot by the geth. Kaidan's response? "Now it get's fun!" Hell of a way to handle an innocent person being killed right in front of you. I love moments like that in older games. Carth in Kotor has some good ones: Carth: You can't be serious. We can't go around murdering people. [You attack guy] Carth: You asked for this! |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 19, 2017 8:20:55 GMT
I landed on Feros. The greeter is shot by the geth. Kaidan's response? "Now it get's fun!" Hell of a way to handle an innocent person being killed right in front of you. Oh no, it's Kai Leng in disguise!  |
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Post by olimae on Mar 19, 2017 12:34:47 GMT
I landed on Feros. The greeter is shot by the geth. Kaidan's response? "Now it get's fun!" Hell of a way to handle an innocent person being killed right in front of you. Oh no, it's Kai Leng in disguise! Kai Leng>Kai Den> Kaiden omg! they are biotics too ! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2017 18:52:52 GMT
In Bring Down the Sky, Balak asks Kate Bowman who is shutting down the torches. Would it have made any difference if she'd told them the truth? Would have saved her brother and likely not mattered to Shepard's mission. olimae: That's Kai DAN (a not e). Lol. Sorry, I'm a stickler for all things Kaidan. |
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Post by KrrKs on Mar 20, 2017 13:25:01 GMT
Does she necessarily know at the time?
IIRC only one of the two or three options during the first dialogue lead to Shepard telling her who he/she is.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2017 6:56:10 GMT
I have to play politician to get access to Peak 15. Even if Noveria is outside of Council space, you can bet it depends on the good graces of the Council to allow it. Therefore, I'd have loved to be able to shoot Anoleis in the face to get what I wanted. Then I'd dare the Noveria Development Corporation to challenge my actions, especially after it came out that they were harboring terrorists (Saren, Benezia and the geth) and Rachni. Something along those lines should have been an option because, let's face it, that weasel should not have hampered my investigation.
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