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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 18:59:22 GMT
I have to play politician to get access to Peak 15. Even if Noveria is outside of Council space, you can bet it depends on the good graces of the Council to allow it. Therefore, I'd have loved to be able to shoot Anoleis in the face to get what I wanted. Then I'd dare the Noveria Development Corporation to challenge my actions, especially after it came out that they were harboring terrorists (Saren, Benezia and the geth) and Rachni. Something along those lines should have been an option because, let's face it, that weasel should not have hampered my investigation. That's a good point because by the end you have killed a hell of a lot more while only sending Anoleis to jail. That was still that paragon writing. Also that you would probably have to shoot your way to the vehicle which was not nearby. If you were Ruthless background and now a Spectre who are above the law, I think shooting Anoleis would be a solid plan. I shot at him quite often though it didn't do a damn thing. Was more than happy to lock him up but shooting him would have been fun.
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Post by lexi82 on Apr 16, 2017 9:41:35 GMT
If this has been mentioned already, I apologize. There's quite a few pages and I don't have as much time as I'd like to read everything.
Miranda in ME3. By the end of two we had a pretty strong bond. We run into her fairly early on and we still seem to be on pretty good terms so I imagine, after her initial talking points another conversation would have started, something like this:
Shepard: We ran into one of Tim's lackeys on Mars. He's kinda being an asshole and trying to keep information away from us that could help stop the Reapers. I'd love to pay him a visit. (Pause) Hey you were basically his second in command, any idea where he might be?
Miranda: Well, there is his secret base of operations that I've definitely been too and likely know the location of. I mean, if that helps? You could try that.
Shepard: I think I will.
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Post by lexi82 on Apr 16, 2017 12:35:29 GMT
While we're on the subject of Miranda, here's another conversation that maybe should have happened there.
Shepard: So... Eluding Cerberus hit squads huh? (Nods slowly)
Miranda: Yep. (Sighs loudly) Some of the best trained killers in the galaxy. It's exhausting.
Shepard: Really putting that genetically engineered intelligence to the test huh?
Miranda: Testing it to the limits.
Shepard: Uh huh. Did that genetically engineered intelligence help you decide that it was a good idea to wait for me out in the open in a Citadel docking bay?
Miranda: Um...
Shepard: Traveled by hundreds of people a day?
Miranda: Well... I...
Shepard: Random people.
Miranda: That's um...
Shepard: it's okay though. Clandestine as Cerberus has been lately, I'm sure they wouldn't try to kill you in such a public place. And I'm sure, highly trained as they are they probably wouldn't know several ways to sneak a weapon through the scanners. And I'm sure they wouldn't be proficient in multiple methods of unarmed assassination.
Miranda: (Silence)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 19:13:23 GMT
I think a list of what makes sense would be shorter (you could say the same about Star Trek etc.). I think it's only ME1 that manages to be more or less coherent and plausible most of the time.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 23, 2017 21:08:18 GMT
You can't kill Thorian creepers until they stand up to attack. When hunched down they're immune to being shot.
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Post by abedsbrother on Apr 25, 2017 5:11:58 GMT
Mass Effect 2, Arrival DLC. Scene: Debrief with Hackett at the end. Admiral Hackett: Sounds like you went through hell down there. How are you feeling? Shepard: Fine. No more visions, if that's what you mean.
What visions?!
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Post by abedsbrother on Apr 25, 2017 6:05:21 GMT
Shepard makes no mention of a Reaper-induced vision, and refers to "visions" in plural. Indicates (to me) a reference to a series of events, not a specific, triggered vision. Feels like some content was cut, that's all. Could have been additional stage-setting for ME3 (which is the whole point of Arrival, anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:56:57 GMT
The opening text of ME3 states that the Reapers "are responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50,000 years". All organic life? So we have evolved from amoeba to homo sapiens in less than 50,000 years? Come on Bioware, really?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 25, 2017 18:05:47 GMT
The opening text of ME3 states that the Reapers "are responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50,000 years". All organic life? So we have evolved from amoeba to homo sapiens in less than 50,000 years? Come on Bioware, really? The text is inaccurate. It doesn't even fit with the existing prior games. They only harvest sentient species who have space travel - and presumably use the mass relays. We know for a fact that humans, hanar, turians and asari were around during the time of the Protheans. It's heavily implied that the yahg (race of the Shadow Broker) are being ignored by the Reapers in ME3, meaning that the Reapers intend for them to survive and become a species to be harvested in the next cycle.
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I think that's what I was trying to say. Not only defies it common sense, the game doesn't even understand its own story.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 28, 2017 17:20:25 GMT
Shepard can use a gas grenade against the colonists instead of killing them, but when Fai Dan shows up, I know its in a cutscene, he shoots himself. Its too bad Shepard couldn't use a gas grenade. I guess the plot demanded a death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 18:57:29 GMT
ME1: we tell the Council that Saren is a twat (without a trace of evidence) and we're angry because they don't believe us. Later we have some short audio file and the Council accepts that as irrefutable proof to outlaw Saren.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2017 20:43:06 GMT
ME1: we tell the Council that Saren is a twat (without a trace of evidence) and we're angry because they don't believe us. Later we have some short audio file and the Council accepts that as irrefutable proof to outlaw Saren. We did have evidence. The dockworker on Eden Prime actually stated that "Saren" was the person who shot Nihlus. He named him. That's pretty compelling evidence. A traumatized dock worker is not going to manufacture that name out of nowhere. The logical conclusion would be that he'd heard it. Now, if the Council wanted to say Shepard gave the dockworker that name just to make Saren seem guilty that's one thing, but to dismiss it entirely is just weird. That's the part that makes no sense.
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That's an interesting point, but the councillors weren't there, they only know about it from our report. I don't know, have we provided any evidence that the dock worker actually said that name? Do we have recordings? And even if we did, how could we prove that Anderson didn't tell him that name before? How do they know Anderson didn't just use the opportunity to get his revenge on Saren? Saren is one of their top agents, no one on the Normandy is in a comparable position, why should they drop him without very hard proof?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2017 15:06:34 GMT
That's an interesting point, but the councillors weren't there, they only know about it from our report. I don't know, have we provided any evidence that the dock worker actually said that name? Do we have recordings? And even if we did, how could we prove that Anderson didn't tell him that name before? How do they know Anderson didn't just use the opportunity to get his revenge on Saren? Saren is one of their top agents, no one on the Normandy is in a comparable position, why should they drop him without very hard proof? No, I get that. However, if the Council is going to dismiss it outright then they should be calling Shepard and Co liars. Since they don't do that, they're clearly dismissing actual evidence. Combine that with crazy Dr. Manuel talking about the turian prophet leading the geth and, well, that's it least worth an investigation.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 29, 2017 15:23:45 GMT
What I find odd is no one mentions the large ship that is seen on Eden Prime. I'm sure everyone would say its a geth ship. At least do some checking to find out if a ship like that has been spotted in the galaxy. It wouldn't hurt. Also mention how many ships leave a large area that looks like its been hit by a bomb.
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That's an interesting point, but the councillors weren't there, they only know about it from our report. I don't know, have we provided any evidence that the dock worker actually said that name? Do we have recordings? And even if we did, how could we prove that Anderson didn't tell him that name before? How do they know Anderson didn't just use the opportunity to get his revenge on Saren? Saren is one of their top agents, no one on the Normandy is in a comparable position, why should they drop him without very hard proof? No, I get that. However, if the Council is going to dismiss it outright then they should be calling Shepard and Co liars. Since they don't do that, they're clearly dismissing actual evidence. Combine that with crazy Dr. Manuel talking about the turian prophet leading the geth and, well, that's it least worth an investigation. I think to call them "liars" they'd need evidence that they were lying. They don't have that either, and you don't have to call someone a liar just because you have serious doubts about their charges. Let's compare it to a trial at court: no matter who the judge believes or not, if they think the evidence is not solid enough for a conviction they have to acquit the defendant (and I don't think many judges would take our evidence against Saren as proof). That certainly doesn't mean the judge has the right to accuse the plaintiff of lying.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2017 17:30:19 GMT
No, I get that. However, if the Council is going to dismiss it outright then they should be calling Shepard and Co liars. Since they don't do that, they're clearly dismissing actual evidence. Combine that with crazy Dr. Manuel talking about the turian prophet leading the geth and, well, that's it least worth an investigation. I think to call them "liars" they'd need evidence that they were lying. They don't have that either, and you don't have to call someone a liar just because you have serious doubts about their charges. Let's compare it to a trial at court: no matter who the judge believes or not, if they think the evidence is not solid enough for a conviction they have to acquit the defendant (and I don't think many judges would take our evidence against Saren as proof). That certainly doesn't mean the judge has the right to accuse the plaintiff of lying. Yeah, I get it. Doesn't help that I dislike the Council in general. If I weren't a mostly Paragon player I'd let them die every time.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2017 17:31:23 GMT
What I find odd is no one mentions the large ship that is seen on Eden Prime. I'm sure everyone would say its a geth ship. At least do some checking to find out if a ship like that has been spotted in the galaxy. It wouldn't hurt. Also mention how many ships leave a large area that looks like its been hit by a bomb. Don't they actually have video evidence? The same video that was sent from Eden Prime to the Normandy before Shepard, Alenko, Jenkins and Nihlus touched down?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 29, 2017 17:39:32 GMT
Don't they actually have video evidence? The same video that was sent from Eden Prime to the Normandy before Shepard, Alenko, Jenkins and Nihlus touched down? They do. That's why I find it odd that the ship is never mentioned.
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Don't they actually have video evidence? The same video that was sent from Eden Prime to the Normandy before Shepard, Alenko, Jenkins and Nihlus touched down? They do. That's why I find it odd that the ship is never mentioned. I think, if I remember correctly, the Council assumes it to be a massive Geth ship later on but it never gets brought up earlier when accusing Saren of the attack. I also don't remember when Shepard deduced that Sovereign was a "Reaper Ship." I remember him saying something along the lines of "Sovereign isn't a Reaper ship but an actual Reaper," when he encounters him on Virmire, but I didn't see any prior conversations where Shepard speculates on what Sovereign is.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 30, 2017 17:23:24 GMT
The fact that it's a ship, even an unknown ship, doesn't mean too much. At this point, no one (not even Shepard) knows the ship is a Reaper. It's just seen as a ship.
The fact that the dockworker is disbelieved makes sense to me: Politicians will often put their heads in the sand, especially for things they don't like. If you consider the fact that humans are galactic newbies (and that both turians and asari are highly distrustful of them), it makes sense that they would view things on a racial lens: Turian over human.
One thing that has always bothered me about the series: Why does NO ONE call out the asari for all their crap?
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Post by Dr. Vanity on Apr 30, 2017 18:58:48 GMT
One thing that has always bothered me about the series: Why does NO ONE call out the asari for all their crap? Probably the on-going omnicide across the galaxy. I can imagine Hackett and the Primarch behind the scenes are furious but the Asari kind of got whats coming to them with the overwhelming Reaper force decimating the Asari Republics small navy and army.
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The fact that the dockworker is disbelieved makes sense to me: Politicians will often put their heads in the sand, especially for things they don't like. If you consider the fact that humans are galactic newbies (and that both turians and asari are highly distrustful of them), it makes sense that they would view things on a racial lens: Turian over human. I don't think it has anything to do with racism or whatever. As they say, the testimony of one man is hardly enough to convince them that their top spectre murdered Nihlus, no matter which race he is. If it was, anyone could just claim anything. Remember how the Iraq invasion was justified with the claims of one man about Saddam's WMD's (which turned out to be totally fabricated)? To me the Council's response was totally appropriate and I'd have questioned their sanity if they thought that was evidence enough. Besides, shortly afterwards one short audio file (which I'm sure could be fabricated even today) was evidence enough for them to oust Saren immediately, no matter if the evidence was provided by a few humans and a quarian. And they appointed the first human spectre at the same meeting.
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