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Post by Dr. Vanity on May 7, 2017 1:48:12 GMT
Yes I guess you're right, it'd probably be too similar to the Reaper threat. Although I'm sure with some good design and writing it could be different enough. As for the Krogan threat, I always found it a bit odd to assume they'll be friendly because Wrex. That'd mean all clans would follow/obey him forever, which I find unlikely. And even if, what happens when he dies? Will they all remain peaceful because their then-leader told them to? That'd be unlikely among humans, even less so among Krogan I believe. Wrex seems to be leading the charge on reforming the Krogan, plus Krogan can live a long time, he'll be around to stabilize things. I'm curious about the genophage cure. If it's a 100% cure, that's 1000s of Krogan getting born in rapid succession. They're gonna want new planets.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 7, 2017 2:19:11 GMT
They will. I really do want the krogan cured because I feel empathy to a race that has to watch 999 out of a thousand babies die. That's got to drag on you culturally under any circumstances. Tbh, I think the real problem remains the salarians. The krogan probably didn't have a highly successful birthrate because conditions on Tuchanka were terrible. Then the salarians came along and made things better. Suddenly, birthrates climb and it's out of control. I would guess that without salarian intervention that krogan clutches would have grown smaller over time, at least partially in sync with cultural shifts for the better. Salarians just fucked it all up and then blamed the krogan for it.
I think others have suggested that the genophage should have worked to reduce the clutches rather than cause a 99% infant mortality rate. Of course, maybe they would have had the [very desperate] turians not launched the genophage. Perhaps the salarians might have tweaked it over time into something better rather than this quick and dirty solution.
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Post by Monica21 on May 7, 2017 2:26:28 GMT
Yes I guess you're right, it'd probably be too similar to the Reaper threat. Although I'm sure with some good design and writing it could be different enough. As for the Krogan threat, I always found it a bit odd to assume they'll be friendly because Wrex. That'd mean all clans would follow/obey him forever, which I find unlikely. And even if, what happens when he dies? Will they all remain peaceful because their then-leader told them to? That'd be unlikely among humans, even less so among Krogan I believe. Wrex seems to be leading the charge on reforming the Krogan, plus Krogan can live a long time, he'll be around to stabilize things. I'm curious about the genophage cure. If it's a 100% cure, that's 1000s of Krogan getting born in rapid succession. They're gonna want new planets. Wrex isn't the only Krogan or the only clan leader though. He can easily be deposed or taken down a few pegs by another clan. On the way to the Shroud he's talking about all the territory they'll need. I don't trust that Wrex won't advance the Krogan when possible (I would) or that someone else won't come along and do it for him. My canon Shepard always sabotages the cure because of that.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 2:38:50 GMT
Yes I guess you're right, it'd probably be too similar to the Reaper threat. Although I'm sure with some good design and writing it could be different enough. As for the Krogan threat, I always found it a bit odd to assume they'll be friendly because Wrex. That'd mean all clans would follow/obey him forever, which I find unlikely. And even if, what happens when he dies? Will they all remain peaceful because their then-leader told them to? That'd be unlikely among humans, even less so among Krogan I believe. Wrex seems to be leading the charge on reforming the Krogan, plus Krogan can live a long time, he'll be around to stabilize things. That's assuming he's going to die of old age though, which isn't always the case among Krogan. Just saying I wouldn't place high bets on Wrex lastingly turning the Krogan into people that want to live in peace with everyone--especially when they spawn like rabbits again. They'll want a lot of worlds, and they're well aware of their superior strength. And of course their genes and instincts are those of an extremely violent and belligerent species. It'll take a lot of restraint and goodwill to resist the urge of attacking aliens or each other.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 2:51:18 GMT
Wrex isn't the only Krogan or the only clan leader though. He can easily be deposed or taken down a few pegs by another clan. On the way to the Shroud he's talking about all the territory they'll need. I don't trust that Wrex won't advance the Krogan when possible (I would) or that someone else won't come along and do it for him. My canon Shepard always sabotages the cure because of that. It's the toughest decision for me in the entire trilogy. Sabotage feels incredibly wrong, I'd backstab an entire people that came around to trust and help me. I'd betray myself and everything I believe in and fight for. It feels like it makes me the worst asshole in the galaxy. On the other hand, Cure seems like a terrible idea to me, putting the entire post-Reaper galaxy at risk. Thankfully I know the ending, and so I know there'll be eternal happiness and peace and rainbows, so I can safely cure them.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 7, 2017 2:53:18 GMT
Wrex isn't the only Krogan or the only clan leader though. He can easily be deposed or taken down a few pegs by another clan. On the way to the Shroud he's talking about all the territory they'll need. I don't trust that Wrex won't advance the Krogan when possible (I would) or that someone else won't come along and do it for him. My canon Shepard always sabotages the cure because of that. It's the toughest decision for me in the entire trilogy. Sabotage feels incredibly wrong, I'd backstab an entire people and betray myself and everything I believe in and fight for. It feels like it makes me the worst asshole in the galaxy. On the other hand, Cure seems like a terrible idea to me, putting the entire post-Reaper galaxy at risk. Thankfully I know the ending, and so I know there'll be eternal happiness and peace and rainbows, so I can safely cure them. Also, you choose Control, so you can harvest them if they screw up.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 2:56:03 GMT
Another reason why I prefer Control. That way I can make sure that everyone will bow before me bwa ha... erm, cure them without risking the future of the galaxy.
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Post by Monica21 on May 7, 2017 3:16:17 GMT
It's the toughest decision for me in the entire trilogy. Sabotage feels incredibly wrong, I'd backstab an entire people that came around to trust and help me. I'd betray myself and everything I believe in and fight for. It feels like it makes me the worst asshole in the galaxy. On the other hand, Cure seems like a terrible idea to me, putting the entire post-Reaper galaxy at risk. Thankfully I know the ending, and so I know there'll be eternal happiness and peace and rainbows, so I can safely cure them. I'm heartless. I kill Wrex on Virmire, sabotage the cure, and convince Mordin that he was right back in ME2 and he goes off to help with the Crucible. Sadly, Eve has to die, but that's okay. Yeah, it sucks, but I can't justify ridding the galaxy of machines who want to harvest every sentient species just to fill the galaxy with a race of sentient beings who are only space-faring because they were uplifted, tend towards the violent side, have 1000 babies at a time, and live to be 1000 years old. Once the Reapers are gone someone will have to deal with the Krogan Expansion if I cure the genophage, and I don't have any interest in creating a new problem.
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Post by themikefest on May 7, 2017 4:18:55 GMT
I sabotage the cure. My Shepard's job is to stop the reapers. When the dalatross offers salarian help, I take it. The genophage means nothing. Stopping the reapers is more important.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 14:32:59 GMT
So Shepard may survive the Destroy ending lying under some rubble. Last time I checked, he/she was being on the Citadel, which then exploded. Did I miss something?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 7, 2017 18:09:53 GMT
I assumed the Citadel was severely damaged and parts of it collapsed on him.
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Post by Darth Dennis on May 7, 2017 19:22:15 GMT
The Salarians are definitely the more useful ally. What're the Krogan going to do? Headbut Harbinger?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 21:42:13 GMT
I assumed the Citadel was severely damaged and parts of it collapsed on him. I thought the explosion at the centre of the Citadel (where Shepard was) was pretty huge... like, hydrogen bomb huge. In fact forget that, considering the size of the Citadel, the fireball of the explosion was about 10km in diameter. That's a pretty big boom, I imagine the chances of survival in the middle of it aren't very high.
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Post by themikefest on May 7, 2017 22:02:55 GMT
Realizing his Commander was in danger, space Hamster took to flight. He arrived in time to shield his Commander from any debris. Once Shepard was pulled from the debris, she looked down to see her best friend dead. She realized he was the one that sacrificed his life for her to survive. Millions gathered at his funeral and honored the greatest hero of all time. In his honor, the Milky Way was renamed The Hamster Way. A forty foot statue of him was built in London. How did Shepard survive? How do people survive earthquakes after being buried under rubble for days? Granted they weren't in an explosion like Shepard, but..... The other thing is from the time the crucible was activated to the time the explosion happened, there's time for Shepard to find a spot to protect her/himself. Or maybe used the platform to take her down away from the explosion. Don't know. I'm sure the answer will be revealed when the sequel to ME3 is released
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Post by dmc1001 on May 7, 2017 22:10:58 GMT
You mean, the sequel I'm looking for, where a surviving Shepard maybe isn't center stage (due to healing from serious injury) but where we see Alliance forces taking on Space Pirates who are taking advantage of the mess. Appearances from all surviving squadmates and crew.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 3:38:45 GMT
Space pirates? Nah, it'll be Cerberus. Somehow.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2017 4:20:56 GMT
I don't want Cerberus. I mean, I guess we could do a mop up job but they're pretty worthless without TIM. I was thinking more that it would be a Council Space-wide threat while in the process of getting things up and running. Can you imagine people looting Thessia because they no longer trust the asari following the discovery that they've been withholding Prothean tech that everyone else was required to share? I mean, those ladies have been hit hard but now people are just getting bold about attacks on them.
Repercussions from out choices would be great, though I imagine it would be difficult to have a game that might or might not have any of the following: the geth, the quarians, the krogan or the freaking Reapers.
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Post by Dr. Vanity on May 8, 2017 5:17:35 GMT
Space pirates? Nah, it'll be Cerberus. Somehow. They did somehow go from being nearly bankrupt and having only a few cells in ME2 to being a NGO Superpower in ME3 with its own dreadnought and private army. Whoever is in charge of the business development department at Cerberus knows how to speculate stocks. I want them to teach me even if it means Reaper-tech implants.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 15:58:44 GMT
Allright, so I moved from ME2 to ME3. Playing with the Extended Galaxy Mod (EGM) and ME3 Recalibrated is a lot of fun so far. Some conversations (e.g. the encounter with the kid in the air duct on earth and the first convo on the Normandy) are much better now. But I digress, here is one thing I somehow never noticed before but it's a nice bit of fridge logic: When you pick up Javik on Eden Prime, you see his experiences just before he was sent to sleep. The Victory A.I. says two interesting things: 1. Javik's pod has a malfunction and the auto-awake system (i.e. the alarm clock) is damaged, meaning he will stay in stasis indefinitely or until someone else finds him (that would be us). 2. When Javik yells that Victory should not shut down any other pods, the A.I. said "Power levels will be triaged according to protocols." That second point indicates that the Eden Prime facility works just like Ilos and power is shut down for non-essential pods to preserve the important ones. This also implies that in order to keep these stasis pods working, they need constant power. On Ilos, they didn't even have enough power to keep more than a dozen stasis pods active for a few centuries (and that was the facility that could power a mass relay). But on Eden Prime, somehow, Javik's pod is a) self contained and can apparently be powered indefinitely while all the other pods in the facility somehow still need to be shut down according to triage protocols. So how does that make sense?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 16:56:18 GMT
Me neither. I was fed up with them in ME2 already, and to my dismay they played centre stage in ME3 for no reason I fully understand. For me, the main appeal in going to the Andromeda galaxy is that I don't want to hear of Cerberus ever again. I'm about halfway through ME:A, and I just did a (small) side mission that involves ex-Cerberus scientists. Nooooo They did somehow go from being nearly bankrupt and having only a few cells in ME2 to being a NGO Superpower in ME3 with its own dreadnought and private army. Not to mention that they were basically just some also-ran evil clown organisation in ME1 doing idiotic unethical experiments. In ME2, they suddenly have the power and funds to revive the dead and build a new Normandy that's superior to the super advanced one built in a joint effort by the Alliance and the Turians. Huh? Allegedly, they bought parts all over the galaxy and pieced them together. You can just buy a better drive core than the SR-1's from some trader somewhere? Aha. Where does TIM get his unlimited funds from? "No one really knows". I see, forget that I asked.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 18:02:58 GMT
Not to mention that they were basically just some also-ran evil clown organisation in ME1 doing idiotic unethical experiments. In ME2, they suddenly have the power and funds to revive the dead and build a new Normandy that's superior to the super advanced one built in a joint effort by the Alliance and the Turians. Huh? Allegedly, they bought parts all over the galaxy and pieced them together. You can just buy a better drive core than the SR-1's from some trader somewhere? Aha. Where does TIM get his unlimited funds from? "No one really knows". I see, forget that I asked. This issue is as old as ME2 but still, I'm gonna link this article on it because it always makes me chuckle : www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=30943
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 18:07:46 GMT
Yea I've read that
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Post by Dr. Vanity on May 8, 2017 18:22:44 GMT
I think one of the ME writers in an interview talked about how they weren't fond of Cerberus going from "secondary villainous organization" in ME1 to the superpower it is in the later games. Reading that article makes me wonder how more interesting the game would have been if Shepard was recruited by an organization composed of the non-human races that would have been around a lot longer to build their own network galaxy-wide.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2017 13:56:20 GMT
Before the extended cut was released, if Shepard didn't romance Ashley, Kaidan or Liara, Liara would always be in the third flashback? Why? How much time would it have taken to add the other LI's? Was Bioware rushed that much to forget to add them?
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Post by lyq3r on May 16, 2017 14:20:39 GMT
I'm not sure if it's been already mentioned here, and I'm too lazy to leaf throuh 29 pages in the thread, but one of the few things that don't make sense to me, would be the fact the Council in ME1 refuted the allegations against Saren and his involvement in the attack on Eden Prime. It's like they had no CSI:Citadel or a specialist who would be able to recreate the murder scene where Nihlus had been killed.
1.) Nihlus was one of the top Spectre agents, so why wouldn't they want to know how did he die in a situation where there are so many doubts and two different versions; what's more, Saren actually didn't explain his doings during the attack on Eden Prime, which I think would be one of the first things I'd ask to put in a raport. Did they just assume he was shot by geth, which sounds ridiculous; 2.) If the Council opted that Nihlus was actually shot by geth, then why would developers, game creators insist on Samesh Bhatia quest, where Shepard recovers the Nirali's pincushion body that was supposed to be investigated because of "registered injuries from unique geth weaponry". From what we've seen in the game Saren used Carnifex, including the shot from a close range, also we have a witness who knew names of a murderer and victim, and non geth weaponary leathal wound in the back of one's head, but the game is still pushing the plot forward, just to introduce to us a lovely quarian squadmate. It's cute, but not logical.
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