inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 24, 2017 13:51:09 GMT
What does Anderson have to do with that? And once they know what's going on, they won't be cheering anytime soon. They'll most likely be trying to figure a way to get rid of the green crap on their bodies Anderson is the only person besides Shepard that was down there that wasn't TIM. Because Catalyst made it clear TIM couldn't do anything. So when the floor comes up and questions why you are there. It was expecting Anderson not Shepard but since Shepard was there there was no other choice. That is self projecting at best.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 24, 2017 13:54:30 GMT
Its just speculation on your part.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
2543
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 15:26:55 GMT
I do recall finishing everything except the hot labs and when I finished killing the Rachni Queen as a renegade. I remember deliberately getting on the tram to see if there'd be consequences for ignoring the hot labs and the warning label came up checking to see if you really wanted to leave without blowing up the labs. I left and...nothing references it afterwards. I think I also didn't blow up the lab one time. Not sure how the rachni didn't overrun Noveria. Don't worry... if you don't blow up the lab, the Code Omega system just bombs it from orbit. I'm pretty sure that I've triggered references to it afterwards... possibly when I went back to Noveria to trade with the Hanar merchant in Port Hanshan (Opal, I think is his name). I don't think it was he who said something, but I did a wander of the port area... maybe it was Li... can't remember.
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 24, 2017 15:56:40 GMT
Its just speculation on your part. So is almost literally every other post you type up on this forum. But it is a speculation that makes sense. High EMS Shepard would be someone worthy of making the choice for the future of the Milky Way Galaxy. Short of that Anderson has been on Earth fighting the Reaper invasion since it started and lead the ground forces in their assault making it to the beam. The Thor's hammer logic seems to apply here fairly well. If Shepard has high EMS he is worthy and the Catalyst treats him like he is suppose to be there. Without high EMS then Anderson is the worthy one so when Shepard shows up the Catalyst questions why he is there because Anderson is the worthy one. Frankly this would have been a great set up if BioWare wasn't forced to make the game have no real bad choices. A strength and greatest weakness of the trilogy over all. So in this case with low enough EMS Shepard is the one that dies and the last thing Shepard sees is Anderson hobbling over to the control panel and then the screen goes blank. Never knowing what Anderson ultimately did. But players would throw shit fits that they made bad choices, did as little of the game as possible and then didn't get to pick an ending so we got that.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 24, 2017 16:39:34 GMT
So your speculation is the only one that people should believe? Keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 24, 2017 18:49:01 GMT
So your speculation is the only one that people should believe? Keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy No it is to point out that there is no need to call someone out for stating something that is obviously speculation. You might as well be saying "Hey everyone did you know boiling water is hot?" Because yes everyone over a certain age limit of like 4 years old knows that boiling water is hot. But it is a speculation in responds to your question. One that actually fits given the different nature of how the Catalyst responds to Shepard's arrival. The high EMS with the general feel of well finally you are here we have work to do. And the low EMS that has more a general feel of you opening the door thinking it is the pizza you ordered and it is your ex you just broke up with when you caught them cheating on you. And since Anderson is the only other person besides the indoctrinated TIM on the Citadel. The very guy who lead the resistance to the Reaper invasion for months with no back up, no resources completely cut off and alone with only his adamantium balls and ingenuity allowed the resistance to keep up until Shepard finally arrived months later with the calvary. It is only speculation and you can be free with accepting it or rejecting it all you want. But it is a speculation that fits with the tone of the Catalyst and the fact there are 2 different humans on the Citadel at that moment and Anderson only dies first because his body wasn't cybernetics enhanced out the yahoo.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on May 24, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
Its just speculation on your part. So is almost literally every other post you type up on this forum. But it is a speculation that makes sense. High EMS Shepard would be someone worthy of making the choice for the future of the Milky Way Galaxy. Short of that Anderson has been on Earth fighting the Reaper invasion since it started and lead the ground forces in their assault making it to the beam. The Reapers saw Shepard - and only Shepard - as a credible threat. Why would the Catalyst expect anyone other than Shepard?
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 24, 2017 19:35:26 GMT
So is almost literally every other post you type up on this forum. But it is a speculation that makes sense. High EMS Shepard would be someone worthy of making the choice for the future of the Milky Way Galaxy. Short of that Anderson has been on Earth fighting the Reaper invasion since it started and lead the ground forces in their assault making it to the beam. The Reapers saw Shepard - and only Shepard - as a credible threat. Why would the Catalyst expect anyone other than Shepard? Catalyst and Reapers are not 100% one and the same. That being said I already explained that but I will again. Anderson willingly stayed behind on Earth even though he had a ticket out. Completely cut off from all possible help in any form other then words of hope. He helped lead a global or at least as much as possible resistance against the Reaper invasion of Earth. He planned and lead the ground assault on the beam and was one of only 2 people who made it past Harbinger and into the Citadel. Low EMS if any story related impact were to be attributed to them is Shepard half assing his job. The Fleets are not gathered, the Crucible is only half build. All of Shepard's potential is shown to be lacking due to the state of the galaxy and the Crucible. Anderson is the next one to show potential due to his actions on Earth during the invasion. Again this is only speculation and attempting to rationalize the situation because BioWare shoots it self in the foot with the basic principle that there are no wrong choices. Realistic responds to actions and choices are ignored to allow every choice to be valid. Because of that you get situations like this were they attempt to differentiate between two possible set ups of high EMS and lower EMS. Because if they are exactly the same there is no reason to do anything. So I know why they did it that way. I'm just putting forth a reason within the game universe why it happened that way. Not simply using the real word reason of they had to other wise players would complain if they were actually punished for putting in less then full effort.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on May 24, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
The Reapers saw Shepard - and only Shepard - as a credible threat. Why would the Catalyst expect anyone other than Shepard? Catalyst and Reapers are not 100% one and the same. That being said I already explained that but I will again. Anderson willingly stayed behind on Earth even though he had a ticket out. Completely cut off from all possible help in any form other then words of hope. He helped lead a global or at least as much as possible resistance against the Reaper invasion of Earth. He planned and lead the ground assault on the beam and was one of only 2 people who made it past Harbinger and into the Citadel. I suppose it could make sense. I mean, if something in the story doesn't make sense and you can headcanon a solution, it's better than nothing.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 24, 2017 20:10:04 GMT
Having 2699 is not low ems. The player gets the same ending as one with very high ems, if destroy is chosen, except Shepard dies. Of course the player doesn't get the option for the green.
The only time low ems comes into play is if ems is below 2000. But if the player wants the green, ems has to at least 2700.
So the thing saying "why are you here?, is just throwing a hissy fit because Shepard didn't gather enough to have the option to choose the green?
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 24, 2017 21:57:06 GMT
Having 2699 is not low ems. The player gets the same ending as one with very high ems, if destroy is chosen, except Shepard dies. Of course the player doesn't get the option for the green. The only time low ems comes into play is if ems is below 2000. But if the player wants the green, ems has to at least 2700. So the thing saying "why are you here?, is just throwing a hissy fit because Shepard didn't gather enough to have the option to choose the green? What is the threshold for getting the Catalyst to express irritation at your arrival? I know they altered it with EC update reducing the over all needed for best ending on top of the additional WA that were added to the game with DLC. On top of that it isn't simply saying why are you here it is the tone. Tone is very important in verbal conversations. Tone is the difference between a genuine complement and a sarcastic insult. Now if Shepard activated the lift on his own maybe that would explain the Catalyst reaction and being upset. But in all cases Shepard is out cold when the lift activates. And the only fitting responds is the Catalyst was expecting someone else.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 24, 2017 22:16:02 GMT
Look on the previous page. You even quoted the post
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 25, 2017 3:02:55 GMT
Look on the previous page. You even quoted the post 2000 EMS. Which is still below your statement of 2699. So my reply is still justified in my statement of low EMS earning that responds. So the Catalyst isn't responding that way simply because Synthesis is just off the table. But wait I think I know how you will reply. You will not use the convenient quote button for reasons that I'm sure are justified in your head. Probably something a long the lines of that will show him he will have to look at the thread to know I replied. Of my entire post you will only quote a small fraction of it and in doing so will make some statement about how I am wrong about something. Because I asked you a straight forward question and your replied with vagueness. Simply so I can reply with something incorrect and you can use that as justification to complain about something I posted.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 25, 2017 3:21:47 GMT
Wrong
Here's what I posted
Here's what I said about 2000 ems
I never said 2699 on the previous page
I recall you doing the same in the past
Thanks for the laugh
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 25, 2017 11:55:17 GMT
Wrong Here's what I posted Here's what I said about 2000 ems I never said 2699 on the previous page I recall you doing the same in the past Thanks for the laugh Didn't use the quote button. First prediction correct. You also said previous page I quoted it. On the previous page 30 the only quote with a number was my initial quote of you with the 2000 cheering statement. And this entire conversation or at least what passes for a conversation has taken place on this page 31. So prediction number 2 is correct as well. Rather then giving a direct responds you make that vague statement then when it is wrong you use it If only black jack or the lotto was as predictable as you are I would be a multi millionaire by now. My direct and simple question is what is the EMS cut off point that switches the Catalyst's attitude from a hostile why are you here to a more neutral tone. A very simple question you have yet to respond to. Or at least responded to in a way that I could at least take semi seriously rather then what you seem to be doing. Which is doing the very thing you sanctimoniously denounce me for doing. Because consistent morals as ME 3 shows is not everyone's strong point. Complain about the Reapers deciding the fate of entire races based off what they might do then potentially doing the same to Rachni, Krogan, Quarian and Geth. Either out right killing them off or putting them in a situation to be wiped out.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on May 25, 2017 13:01:09 GMT
My direct and simple question is what is the EMS cut off point that switches the Catalyst's attitude from a hostile why are you here to a more neutral tone. I did give you an answer. For some reason you only saw the line mentioning 2000 instead of looking at the line above that says if ems is below 2700, the thing will say Why are you here? But I have. This is the third time. You choose to ignore it for whatever reason. You haven't as well. As I mentioned in my post bsn.boards.net/post/69348/thread
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 1, 2017 0:33:39 GMT
My direct and simple question is what is the EMS cut off point that switches the Catalyst's attitude from a hostile why are you here to a more neutral tone. I did give you an answer. For some reason you only saw the line mentioning 2000 instead of looking at the line above that says if ems is below 2700, the thing will say Why are you here? But I have. This is the third time. You choose to ignore it for whatever reason. You haven't as well. As I mentioned in my post bsn.boards.net/post/69348/thread When asked you said last page. Which the post that was quoted was not on the last page. Your wording was off as I was following your instruction about looking at my quote of you on the last page. Tell me why do you think BioWare did that?
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2017 1:45:39 GMT
When asked you said last page. Which the post that was quoted was not on the last page. Your wording was off as I was following your instruction about looking at my quote of you on the last page. I never said last page. I said previous page bsn.boards.net/post/695453/threadThe post I made did mention that if ems is below 2700 the thing will ask why are you here. The line below that mentions 2000 ems in regards to seeing the soldiers cheering bsn.boards.net/post/687947/threadHere's your post quoting that post of mine. bsn.boards.net/post/693413/threadHere's your post saying 2000 which had nothing to do with the threshold of what ems had to be for the thing to say why are you here? You chose to ignore the line above that says below 2700 is the threshold. bsn.boards.net/post/696108/threadMy wording wasn't off. Its you who chose to ignore what I posted for whatever reason. Did what?
|
|
Sondergaard
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR
Posts: 572 Likes: 975
inherit
1505
0
Sept 27, 2024 16:57:55 GMT
975
Sondergaard
572
Sept 8, 2016 21:17:59 GMT
September 2016
sondergaard
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR
|
Post by Sondergaard on Jun 1, 2017 8:14:46 GMT
Is everyone on this forum destined to have a multi-post argument with gothpunkboy89? Is it some sort of right of passage?
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 1, 2017 11:56:10 GMT
Is everyone on this forum destined to have a multi-post argument with gothpunkboy89? Is it some sort of right of passage? No that is just Themmikefest being themmikefest. I've learned to accept his social oddities.
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 1, 2017 12:38:45 GMT
When asked you said last page. Which the post that was quoted was not on the last page. Your wording was off as I was following your instruction about looking at my quote of you on the last page. I never said last page. I said previous page bsn.boards.net/post/695453/threadThe post I made did mention that if ems is below 2700 the thing will ask why are you here. The line below that mentions 2000 ems in regards to seeing the soldiers cheering bsn.boards.net/post/687947/threadHere's your post quoting that post of mine. bsn.boards.net/post/693413/threadHere's your post saying 2000 which had nothing to do with the threshold of what ems had to be for the thing to say why are you here? You chose to ignore the line above that says below 2700 is the threshold. bsn.boards.net/post/696108/threadMy wording wasn't off. Its you who chose to ignore what I posted for whatever reason. Did what? Ok the clarification I asked for is 2700 EMS is the cut off. Simple question unnecessarily complicated. What is your proof to back up that statement? Do you have any proof? Because you have made declarations in the past about stuff in game that turned out to not be exactly what happened in game. I remember on BioWare forums you complaining about how they should have used air ships in the Beam Run and that is exactly what they did use. Memory is not perfect so some outside proof other then a statement is requested. I asked why BioWare did that because I want to know what you think they intended by having it set up that way. Regardless of your own personal interpretation or your Shepard RP game developers have their own intent for the actions that take place in the game.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Jun 3, 2017 17:22:18 GMT
The ME timeline masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/TimelineAnd dialogue from ME3 don't match. The timeline says the reaper war starts around the end of September, beginning of October 2186. So that would mean that the relay destroyed in Arrival happens around late March 2186 If the broker dlc is not completed, Liara will say after Shepard left for Earth, she tracked down the shadow broker. How is that possible if the timeline says she already did that in 2185? The timeline says she took over the broker operations in-between August and December 2185. If the dlc is completed, its never mentioned. When Shepard talks to Tali at the FOB, he/she says it's been a few months. I will assume a few to mean 3. So I would guess. When talking to Tali on the presidium, she says, she thinks its been 3 years ago to the day since Saren's assassins were after her. The scene takes place about halfway through the game. Going by that and what Shepard says at the fob, it takes place mid-November 2186. After the dreadnought mission, Hackett will say, we only lost Earth a few weeks ago. That happens about the halfway point of the game. Going by what Tali says, that means ME1 started about mid-November 2183. I don't know how long ME1 takes, but when talking with Jacob, he will mention that its been 2 years 12 days since Shepard's death. Add the month after the events of ME1 takes place, ME2 starts about 25 1/2 months later. So that would mean ME2 starts late December 2185. If that's the case, that means Liara took over the broker operations before the events of ME2. Since the broker dlc can be completed after dealing with the collectors, that means ME2 started before August 2185 and that the events of ME1 started about June 2183. So if the broker dlc can be completed between August 2185 and December 2185, what did Shepard do during that time before Arrival? That's about 4-6 months of lost time. When talking to Liara, after Thessia, Shepard will mention that Liara has been warning her people for 4 years. 4 years ago it was 2182. Shepard and Liara didn't even know about the reapers until the events of ME1. What I've posted above is most likely guesswork on my part. Its just that the timeline for certain events seem to be off.
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 5, 2017 12:10:16 GMT
The ME timeline masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/TimelineAnd dialogue from ME3 don't match. The timeline says the reaper war starts around the end of September, beginning of October 2186. So that would mean that the relay destroyed in Arrival happens around late March 2186 If the broker dlc is not completed, Liara will say after Shepard left for Earth, she tracked down the shadow broker. How is that possible if the timeline says she already did that in 2185? The timeline says she took over the broker operations in-between August and December 2185. If the dlc is completed, its never mentioned. When Shepard talks to Tali at the FOB, he/she says it's been a few months. I will assume a few to mean 3. So I would guess. When talking to Tali on the presidium, she says, she thinks its been 3 years ago to the day since Saren's assassins were after her. The scene takes place about halfway through the game. Going by that and what Shepard says at the fob, it takes place mid-November 2186. After the dreadnought mission, Hackett will say, we only lost Earth a few weeks ago. That happens about the halfway point of the game. Going by what Tali says, that means ME1 started about mid-November 2183. I don't know how long ME1 takes, but when talking with Jacob, he will mention that its been 2 years 12 days since Shepard's death. Add the month after the events of ME1 takes place, ME2 starts about 25 1/2 months later. So that would mean ME2 starts late December 2185. If that's the case, that means Liara took over the broker operations before the events of ME2. Since the broker dlc can be completed after dealing with the collectors, that means ME2 started before August 2185 and that the events of ME1 started about June 2183. So if the broker dlc can be completed between August 2185 and December 2185, what did Shepard do during that time before Arrival? That's about 4-6 months of lost time. When talking to Liara, after Thessia, Shepard will mention that Liara has been warning her people for 4 years. 4 years ago it was 2182. Shepard and Liara didn't even know about the reapers until the events of ME1. What I've posted above is most likely guesswork on my part. Its just that the timeline for certain events seem to be off. Course the time line is off BioWare never was very good at official time line set up. That being said there is always time linear in it's set up in games. What we see as one event taking place right after another is easily in game weeks or months later. And even if you can complete DLC in any order there is a canonical order in which you complete them or didn't complete them. The only reason why if you do Arrival before you do Collector Base and you get the Collector General is other wise you ruin the big surprise reveal. But the entire end of ME 1 shows their issue with chronological order. Sovereign would have had plenty of time to dock and activate the Citadel with the time it took Shepard to reach the Conduit and fight his way though the Citadel to the Council Chambers.
|
|
aoibhealfae
N3
The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 811 Likes: 1,190
inherit
1157
0
1,190
aoibhealfae
The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
811
Aug 23, 2016 19:19:58 GMT
August 2016
aoibhealfae
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by aoibhealfae on Jun 6, 2017 1:50:47 GMT
Liara only postulate about the cycles of extinction. Not exactly warning about Reapers invasion.
Of course, Liara contradicting everything in the entire franchise is on purpose. Make sure to make her look like she do and appear to do more things for Shepard than what was logical for her character.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,309
themikefest
15,636
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Jun 6, 2017 11:32:18 GMT
How long does it take the SR2 to get to the Charon relay traveling at ftl?
|
|