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Post by straykat on Sept 9, 2016 3:20:17 GMT
Insane AIs don't do things that make sense? In some long lost part of its programming, the catalyst wanted someone to succeed?
I thought it was a given that the Catalyst did want someone to succeed. It said as much that it tried something like Snythesis before but that the people at the time weren't ready for it. I think this is the #1 reason why Shepard was able to make it to the beam in London. That doesn't mean it wanted a successor. It wanted to a solve a problem. Besides, Shepard doesn't succeed it in Synthesis anyhow. Only in Control does it do that. It's not something the Catalyst prefers either. It says that it doesn't like the thought of no longer existing. If you choose the line about not wanting to die at least... then it agrees with you. It only wants you to die. lol
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2016 3:24:28 GMT
What doesn't make sense to me about Cerberus is how they went from, "Is that a corporation?" that no one ever heard of in ME1 to galactic enemy #1, "you're a traitor and your life is forfeit for working with them" in ME2. All they did in the 2 yrs Shepard was dead was attack the quarians, which no one except Anderson and a couple of turians even noticed or cared about. Weren't they also responsible for rachni and thorian creeper experiments, thresher maws on Akuze, the death of Rear Admiral Kahoku and a certain rogue VI that they later integrated with the Normandy SR-2? The death of Kahoku alone probably put them high on the Alliance's list of enemies. By ME2, humans were a council race so maybe it's not so strange. Even setting that aside, Cerberus is an anti-alien organization. That automatically puts them at odds with everyone else in the galaxy. And then there's the fact that Cerberus recruits Alliance washouts - CAT6 and others. Doesn't make them look too appealing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2016 3:31:56 GMT
I thought it was a given that the Catalyst did want someone to succeed. It said as much that it tried something like Snythesis before but that the people at the time weren't ready for it. I think this is the #1 reason why Shepard was able to make it to the beam in London. That doesn't mean it wanted a successor. It wanted to a solve a problem. Besides, Shepard doesn't succeed it in Synthesis anyhow. Only in Control does it do that. It's not something the Catalyst prefers either. It says that it doesn't like the thought of no longer existing. If you choose the line about not wanting to die at least... then it agrees with you. It only wants you to die. lol Well, I wasn't talking about succeeding it as being in control. I was talking about succeed in the mission to come to a solution for the problem of synthetics vs. organics. The Reapers knew who Shepard was. That meant they had taken a special interest in him/her in ways they had not done for any other sentient being in the galaxy. The Catalyst was looking for a solution and needed an organic to help. Shepard was that person, perhaps due to being both relentless and victorious where others were not.
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Post by straykat on Sept 9, 2016 3:34:26 GMT
That doesn't mean it wanted a successor. It wanted to a solve a problem. Besides, Shepard doesn't succeed it in Synthesis anyhow. Only in Control does it do that. It's not something the Catalyst prefers either. It says that it doesn't like the thought of no longer existing. If you choose the line about not wanting to die at least... then it agrees with you. It only wants you to die. lol Well, I wasn't talking about succeeding it as being in control. I was talking about succeed in the mission to come to a solution for the problem of synthetics vs. organics. The Reapers knew who Shepard was. That meant they had taken a special interest in him/her in ways they had not done for any other sentient being in the galaxy. The Catalyst was looking for a solution and needed an organic to help. Shepard was that person, perhaps due to being both relentless and victorious where others were not. Well, as for that definition, what doesn't make sense to me is why it stayed in the Milky Way. People keep insisting that it only cared about the Milky Way, but if it actually was concerned with synthetics vs organics, then that's an abstract problem. A computer should just care about the abstract, the algorithm. It didn't have to limit itself for millions of years in one area, just in the off chance that some descendent of apes came about with a magic genetic makeup to solve it's issues.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2016 4:02:49 GMT
I thought it was a given that the Catalyst did want someone to succeed. If that's the case, it would never of indoctrinated the group that sabotaged the crucible project during the Prothean cycle That's because it wanted the organics to make the choice and keeps its "hands" clean. Shepard is the one forcing the green on the galaxy if he/she chooses it. It has a funny way of letting Shepard get to the beam having Harbinger shoot at Shepard. Taking a big chance that Shepard isn't killed. Wait a minute. Shepard should've been killed regardless.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2016 6:46:49 GMT
I thought it was a given that the Catalyst did want someone to succeed. If that's the case, it would never of indoctrinated the group that sabotaged the crucible project during the Prothean cycle That's because it wanted the organics to make the choice and keeps its "hands" clean. Shepard is the one forcing the green on the galaxy if he/she chooses it. It has a funny way of letting Shepard get to the beam having Harbinger shoot at Shepard. Taking a big chance that Shepard isn't killed. Wait a minute. Shepard should've been killed regardless. Well, sure, but everyone always makes the point that it made no sense that Shepard even got to the beam. That he did might suggest that it wasn't an accident. As for what happened in the Prothean Cycle, well, the Catalyst referenced something about previous cycles not being ready for at least one of its solutions. If it deemed the Protheans unready it wouldn't allow them to succeed. In fact, it seems like it less considered humanity ready and instead Shepard to be the one to make a difference. Not sure the Catalyst cared about clean hands, so to speak. After all, it's removed countless species from existence.
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Post by straykat on Sept 9, 2016 6:51:57 GMT
In it's mind, it doesn't remove them. It preserves them. It's just an archivist or librarian. Stupid computer.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2016 11:18:03 GMT
Well, sure, but everyone always makes the point that it made no sense that Shepard even got to the beam. That he did might suggest that it wasn't an accident. What's the explanation for having Anderson make it? Was it so he and Shepard can have that touchy-feely scene? All the people being killed on the beam run were sacrificed to have that touchy-feely scene? It only mentions previous cycles not being ready because Shepard is there to force the green instead of the thing forcing the green.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2016 11:45:33 GMT
What were the Alliance soldiers shooting at during the evacuation scene? There were no uglies to shoot until after Shepard was hit by Harbingers beam.
Nobody recognizing Shepard during Kasumi's loyalty mission. The salarian vendor who had that Volus credit chit was able to recognize Shepard on the Citadel
Hock suspecting that it was Kasumi when greeting Ms. Gunn and not doing anything about it
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2016 15:19:43 GMT
Well, sure, but everyone always makes the point that it made no sense that Shepard even got to the beam. That he did might suggest that it wasn't an accident. What's the explanation for having Anderson make it? Was it so he and Shepard can have that touchy-feely scene? All the people being killed on the beam run were sacrificed to have that touchy-feely scene? Admittedly, I don't have all the answers. It's just that if I can make some sense of certain things, I'll go with it.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Sept 9, 2016 23:07:55 GMT
I'm with you there, Mike. Not much in Kasumi's mission made sense, (including Donovan Hock ). Inflitrator Shep should have been able to cloak along with Kasumi, if Hock suspected Kasumi was with "Gunn", he should have never let them in, and probably just murdered Kasumi on the doorstep. Surely Shep's badass enough to get an invite to the party as him/herself, i'd imagine any Shepard would have featured in Badass Weekly/ Monthly (i forget which) several times already, and clearly Kasumi wasted her money because Hock and his guests don't read it. And as you said, the galaxy is full of people who aren't in the business of shooting people who recognise Shepard on sight. In fact, there's a bunch of people talking about Shepard within earshot. And nobody's noticed the Statue of Liberty and Michelangelo's David are missing? Fun mission though, i just wish the party bit was longer and more involved, it would have been even more fun if Shep could have contrived some way of getting Hock to get him/her alone in his room. (Or, i headcanon that Shep asked the guards where the bathroom was because they needed the loo. It would make a good excuse as Shep runs around the mansion in plain sight checking out doors and random corners. Shep is spotted going down to the vault "Is the bathroom down here, do you know?".) And Hock's accent is hysterical.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2016 3:42:58 GMT
And Hock's accent is hysterical. Would have been better if Diana Allers had a similar accent since they're both from the same planet.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 3:45:26 GMT
And Hock's accent is hysterical. Would have been better if Diana Allers had a similar accent since they're both from the same planet. It's just a colony world though.. and those haven't even been around long. I think Hock just got it from Earth. I think it's the same actor as Ken.. but that's a more clear Scottish accent.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 10, 2016 5:01:55 GMT
Hock suspecting that it was Kasumi when greeting Ms. Gunn and not doing anything about it Also, why did Kasumi walk up in her hood and stealth number? Wouldn't formal attire be a better disguise? Her entire outfit screamed, "Don't trust me!"
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2016 6:57:45 GMT
Hock suspecting that it was Kasumi when greeting Ms. Gunn and not doing anything about it Also, why did Kasumi walk up in her hood and stealth number? Wouldn't formal attire be a better disguise? Her entire outfit screamed, "Don't trust me!" Yes, I always wondered about that. Presumably no one knew what Kasumi looked like beneath her hood. Removing it would have made her anonymous.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 10, 2016 13:10:50 GMT
Hock suspecting that it was Kasumi when greeting Ms. Gunn and not doing anything about it Also, why did Kasumi walk up in her hood and stealth number? Wouldn't formal attire be a better disguise? Her entire outfit screamed, "Don't trust me!" Most likely just done to save time in recreating an entire new outfit for here that she would use once and never again. Shep's suit you can use again if you want on Normandy.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 10, 2016 17:17:21 GMT
Would have been better if Diana Allers had a similar accent since they're both from the same planet. It's just a colony world though.. and those haven't even been around long. I think Hock just got it from Earth. I think it's the same actor as Ken.. but that's a more clear Scottish accent. I remember someone saying that Hock's accent is a dead ringer for South African while Donnelly's was meant to be Scottish
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2016 17:23:29 GMT
I've known South Africans but none I've met sounded like Hock. Hock sounded Scottish to my ear.
EDIT: Looked up the voice actor. He's Canadian. No telling what type of accent he was going for.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2016 17:55:31 GMT
from sH0tgUn jUliA If Wrex is dead and Shepard chooses to talk with Wreav right after landing on Sur'Kesh this line of dialogue will be heard and Liara isn't taken on the mission Shepard: Are you ready to fight the reapers? Wreav: That's like asking an Asari if they're ready to mate. Shepard: On Liara's behalf consider me officially offended. Why is Shepard saying that especially a renegade one and one who wanted to throw her in the volcano in ME1? My Shepard wanted to laugh at his comment and agree with it, but noooo, she/he has to say that line.
Why is it up to Shepard if the destiny ascension is saved or not? Shepard doesn't know how large a fleet the geth have outside. I would have Hackett decide the fate of the destiny ascension. He can see what's going on. He knows how many ships he has with him and can determine what to do. How he determines if the destiny ascension is saved or not is based on the player's playthrough in ME1. Did Shepard do any missions for Hackett? Shepard's background. What dialogue Shepard used when talking with Hackett? Other factors can be part of the decsion for Hackett.
How did the kid get through the locked door? When watching the scene, the door opens, with the orange lock still on it, just as he runs through.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 10, 2016 21:38:40 GMT
from sH0tgUn jUliA
Why is it up to Shepard if the destiny ascension is saved or not? Shepard doesn't know how large a fleet the geth have outside. I would have Hackett decide the fate of the destiny ascension. He can see what's going on. He knows how many ships he has with him and can determine what to do. How he determines if the destiny ascension is saved or not is based on the player's playthrough in ME1. Did Shepard do any missions for Hackett? Shepard's background. What dialogue Shepard used when talking with Hackett? Other factors can be part of the decsion for Hackett.
Because Shepard more then Hackett knows what the threat the Reapers are.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 21:43:16 GMT
There's only one Ascension I'll go out of my way for.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2016 21:46:19 GMT
Because Shepard more then Hackett knows what the threat the Reapers are. Then there should not be an option to save the destiny, right?
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 21:49:35 GMT
Because Shepard more then Hackett knows what the threat the Reapers are. Then there should not be an option to save the destiny, right? I still think the choices need to be there at least. For drama. Also the character priorities are interesting. Like it adds drama to the Ash/Liara split, if they're with you. But funnily, Kaidan takes priority over Liara and wants to throw human soldiers away more than she does. It's also interesting if you're mostly Paragon, but it comes after Virmire. Are you willing to make more sacrifice again? That could still be fresh for players.. who knows.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2016 22:01:42 GMT
I still think the choices need to be there at least. For drama. Also the character priorities are interesting. It can drama all it wants. I wouldn't of had the choice added. Leave it up to Hackett or just have it destroyed. I make no effort to save the ship. Its the Commanders' fault for putting it in harms way
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 22:05:30 GMT
I still think the choices need to be there at least. For drama. Also the character priorities are interesting. It can drama all it wants. I wouldn't of had the choice added. Leave it up to Hackett or just have it destroyed. I make no effort to save the ship. Its the Commanders' fault for putting it in harms way I like the drama, but I guess Hackett would do the right thing anyways. So I'm not going to argue. I blame the Council first for putting the ship there. And not even listening, and treating Shepard like some lunatic...even after Virmire and knowing how much of a threat Saren is, and getting confirmation from STG.
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