Things that don't make sense (v2)

Aren't all Turians supposed to serve in their military for so many years before they can change careers?

Part of why I think it was really an Intelligence/Catalyst creation rather than that of any race.  It could even have been "leaked" to a race at one point.  Then they start building, get wiped out and a race from the next cycle picks up the pieces, perhaps with their own technology showing some differences.  Also, could be the VI is generally better at extrapolating data than a Prothean in general.

She doesn't become an effective shadow broker because of her time in the intelligence gathering. She becomes an effective Shadow Broker because the existing Shadow Broker system would allow it to operate with only minimal requirements on her part. The amount of information and data the Shadow Broker deals with on a daily basis would be to much for any one personal to deal with.  As it deals with information from hundreds of planets across dozens of layers of political set ups large and small across every known race. All balanced perfectly to make everyone require and depending on the Shadow Broker thus ensuring a steady stream of new intelligence and payment.

It would be like if a petulant self obsessed reality TV celebrity managed to get elected into the highest office of a country. Now even though this moron has absolutely no understanding of government or the ability to lead requiring TV channels they like to influence their policy and ideas. The country doesn't fall apart because the existing system in place prevents such a thing from happening. Even if this person has the brain capacity of gold fish who has been beaten with a stick.


You are also assuming she was elected or promoted into the position of Shadow Broker. She in fact with or without Shepard kills the Shadow Broker and the handful of people who knew the Shadow Broker's real identity and takes his place. And again the spy network is already in place and practically self sufficient as no one in the organization save maybe a handful of people even knows who the Shadow Broker is.

I see what you did there ... though regarding the bolded part, I will remind you that that page has not been turned yet in the history books.

As for Liara, I tend to agree, especially because we don't really know if she is in fact a "good" shadow broker. In fact, I'd say indications are that she is medicore at best. After all, while the old Shadow Brokers has remained elusive for decades, maybe even centuries, Liara managed to giver herself away to Cerberus, the Alliance and uite a few other people within 6 months. We also don't know how much (if anything) she actually achieved. T

he thing is really that she never wants to be the new Shadow Broker anyway. She only wants to use the existing resources that Shep and her gained in LotSB to help Shepard in their quest to stop the reapers. She is no longer out to play the galaxy like everyone before her, she has a purpose, as she explains in quite a bit of detail when she takes over. She doesn't need to take this thing over for ever, just for the immediate future. Since there is only a few month between her take-over and ME3, when the shit hits the fan anyway, I don't really see a story problem there either.

I didn't miss anything. Her character development and movement across the series is very logical and well placed. Being no more so out of the ordinary then any of the other characters. 

Is it automatic that all asari are trained in basic biotics? Or is it asari who wish to use their biotics seek training?

So there is no proof that Shepard trained t'soni in anything other than your assumption?
Who are these so-called 12 Alliance Black Ops units you're referring to? If you mean the twelve squadmates that helped Shepard stop the collectors, then how would they know that TIM is able to get through the Omega 4 relay?

You can interpret it either way. The only thing the game is said is that Asari can choose to develop their biotic capabilities or not with no social stigma attached to it. How ever failing to do so negates them from military application.  And ME 3 states that the Reapers were having trouble with Thessia during their initial invasion due to fighting a planet almost entirely composed of biotic capable fighters who would perform hit and run tactics.  Which means the vast majority willing choose to develop their biotic potential at least on a fundamental level.  They might not all reach levels like Samara or even Jacob but they clearly have skill. And the biotic capabilities would be handy for someone exploring 50,000 year old ruins. Given both Liara's mother and father's personalities and the stigmata attached to her being a pure born Asari her learning and developing her biotic capabilities would be the least she could do.


This right here is why you are the only person with regards to ME trilogy that it is a complete and utter waste of my time to talk to. I might disagree with others and find flaws to outright think they are dead wrong on stuff. But I find talking with them worth while and interesting to see how they come to their conclusions. You not so much and it isn't simply because you disagree with me it is how you try to support your logic. You how ever are......unique because you are the only one who consistently tries to argue using reasoning that stab yourself in the foot just as much if not more then you think it disarms me.

There is also no proof that Wrex or Garrus or any of crew members until ME 3 move from their location. How does Miranda use the bathroom if she is always in her office at all times?  There is to the best of my knowledge no toilet in there so how does she do it? How does Garrus eat when he never leaves the the Mako in the SR-1?  And how can they stand for days at a time without getting tired? I mean if I never take Garrus on any missions it means he stood in his spot for months at a time without moving. I know Turians are tough but that is going beyond even that.

Lets expand beyond that proof that I am a real person and exist. How do you know that you aren't in a coma from a serious accident and this is all the work of your brain building a fantasy world to live in creating me as a sort of counter point to you. Perhaps as a figure meant to represent more cold hard logic that if you have followed you wouldn't have been put in said coma in the first place.  I mean there are assumptions but no hard facts that I exist as a person and am not simply some dream creation or some secret government AI experiment attempting to pass a Turing Test by arguing about a video game on a forum.

You don't need to be shown proof because it is the most obvious and logical route to be taken unless shown other wise. Obviously Miranda gets up and leaves her office to use the lady's room.  Obvious Wrex and Garrus move around the ship to eat, sleep and other things. And it is the most obvious and logical route to be taken unless shown other wise (which it isn't shown) for Liara to be trained in at least basic combat by Shepard, Ash, Kaiadan, Garrus, Wrex, Tali or any other staff members of the SR-1.

The final bit was actually in reference to another discussion with someone else. To clarify the basic topic was about Shepard deserving the slap by Jack when you meet her at Grisom Academy even if you are playing a paragon Shepard.  Because Shepard doesn't even hint at attempting to prevent Cerberus from accessing the destroyed Collector base to salvage technology. Even though EDI out right states that she was upgraded with Reaper software salvaged from the wreckage of Sovereign. More then showing their ability to reverse engineer and salvage tech from exploded wrecks.  I should have given proper context to that first. How ever the point still stands. If Garrus and 12 people could be that effective against 3 of the largest mercenary groups to the point of grinding all their work to a halt on Omega then the Alliance with some black ops units should have been able to easily prevent TIM from accessing Omega Relay and the tech within. Which would have prevented many of the events that happened in ME 3 with Cerberus. Because the jump in technology and capabilities between ME 2 to ME 3 can only realistically be because of the advance technology they salvaged from the Collector base.

So you simply don't have a responds to me.  Got it

I don't personally subscribe to the idea the Crucible was a plan created by the Catalyst to test the races. But that would be a pretty good reason.  The ability to build something doesn't prove anything. Anyone can follow instructions and build something. But actually reaching that point, fighting against the Reapers and being able to stand at that point is something entirely different.

Coming up with Crucible as it is shown in game no single race could do that. How ever I always saw it as the end result of a slow evolution of what was originally intended to be a Reaper killer.

Starting as just an oversized ME driver to fire rounds at the Reapers to kill them like Artillery.  Each successive attempt making it larger and larger in order to be effective against the Reapers. The end result is the increase demand for power to allow it to be mobile. Eventually reaching a point that it's size and ammunition isn't a viable option to be effective in the Reaper invasion due to logistics. So to compensate for that they change it to a direct energy weapon. Which requires it's energy output to increase yet again growing it even larger. But you then run into the logistical issues of trying to destroy the Reapers one by one.  So a race or two try to tap into the Relay Network that is at least partially controlled by the Citadel.  Mix in a few dozen races trying to control the Reapers and a few dozen trying to control them and a few dozen races rather like the Protheans who had a dislike of synthetics and so would seek to improve the organic body rather then rely on synthetics for similar effects.

The lack of any specified background means these plans could have started as early as the 3rd cycle and the one shown in game could be number 1,345th.

A catalyst in chemistry is unchanged by the reaction it facilitates and can be recovered and used again... but since the reaction itself is done, it doesn't continue to serve a purpose within it's previous sphere of influence.  That is, re-adding the same catalyst after the reaction is complete doesn't do anything more than what's already been done.  My guess is it just becomes an AI with no purpose... in much the same way, Control Shepard could become an immortal being in control of nothing simply by ordering the Reapers to destroy themselves completely after he/she takes control of them.

I blame the destiny's Commander for what happened with the destiny. It should never have been put in harm's way. When the geth first attack, the destiny is seen firing a couple of missiles while at the same time the Commander says abandon the Citadel. I get that. Try to lure the enemy away from the Citadel to avoid it taking any damage. Then she says evacuate the council. Why? They weren't in any immediate danger. Let security take care of them. Move them to a safe location or get them to a shuttle and fly away from the fight.

The next scene shows the destiny flying away. I would assume the council is already onboard and flying to safety. It wasn't. The ship is seen being attacked by geth ships. Why is it there? Once the council is onboard, its the Commanders duty to get them to safety. She failed. Why isn't the ship firing back? It sits there like a big hunk of metal. Maybe that's all it ever was. It just gives the illusion of being powerful.

If anything, I would always have the council live with the destiny flying away to safety. As it is now, I would leave the decision up to Hackett to save it or not. He's able to see the battle and can determine what would be best.