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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 15, 2018 0:33:12 GMT
If it's like a relay, don't you have to dial your destination before you go through it? It's a relay, not a stargate. 
Just kidding. According to the description in the lore, there are two types of relays: Those that can allign to multiple target relays bu only cover shorter distances and primary long distance relays that have just one partner. It's never shown in the game this way though. All we know is that for example the Charon relay only links to the one at Arkturus, which is why the Arkturus Station has such a big strategic role for the Alliance. The conduit also only linked to the Citadel "relay statue".
So it's definitely possible that relays have both definite or multiple partners. If the Citadel beam is something similar, that could explain why Anderson might have arrived at another "receiver" but close by.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 1:51:52 GMT
Since when could humans walk through relays though? Have you tried getting out of the Mako and walking through the conduit on Ilos? Watch what happens.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 15, 2018 16:24:13 GMT
Since when could humans walk through relays though? Have you tried getting out of the Mako and walking through the conduit on Ilos? Watch what happens. I am not saying it's a relay as such. I am saying, it would make sense if it were based on the same technological principles, especially given that the reapers built the relays in the first place. It kinda has to be anyway because there is no other form of "teleportation" tech in the ME lore (although admittedly, everything that happens during and after the beam run is playing it very loosly with the lore anyway  ). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 17:21:54 GMT
There's way too many inconsistencies in that part of the game to believe this wasn't done intentionally.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 21, 2018 23:56:56 GMT
How do we know so much about ancient civilizations? How do we know so much about dinosaurs? How do we know if Caligula was an incest loving, horse electing to positions of power, playing music while Rome burns person? We know he isn't because archeologist sort threw information of what is left of the Roman Empire and notice that all that stuff only appears in writing decades after his death. All we know about ancient civilizations are the result of archeologist sorting out information gained from excavation sites as they rarely left intact detailed information about their daily lives. This argument only works if you think the only thing archeologists do is dig in the dirt and nothing more. Because until we pull an Assassin's Creed and invent the Animus to let us look back in time the knowledge of older civilizations and human history before civilizations are brought to us by archeologists.
You also display no knowledge of socially awkward people. Years of willing isolation pursuing her favorite hobby would turn anyone into being awkward socially. Hell just going into a different location can turn someone who normally isn't into a socially awkward person. I'm living example that the idea that someone like that is forced to always be like that for no other reason then movies and TVs has conditioned us to think certain personality traits are permanent and don't exist on a scale but are either full powered or non existent. And until she became the Shadow Broker she was an information broker not the only other information broker that exists besides the Shadow Broker. She had 1 assistant who turned out to be working for someone else in the first place.
We never see anyone develop skills. Game play reasons we don't see a lot of the social interaction between crew mates. Garrus literally will only for the months of the events of ME 1 and then even 2 will do nothing but sit in his spot and never move. Never eating, sleeping or talking to anyone. We never see how Ashely went from a standard grunt that was almost killed with the rest of her platoon while guarding the Prothean artifact on Eden Prime. Being so unimportant she wasn't even informed of what it was. To single handily arming and holding off a literal Geth and Krogan army to allow a makeshift nuclear bomb to go off wiping out Saren's base on Virmire. If she is chosen for that role anyways.
She is cowering because it is a Krogan Battle Master coming to kill her with group of Geth behind him. The game at this point has established that Krogan are extremely difficult to take down due to their biology. Even for a skilled Asari Huntress the deck would be stacked against her. Given a similar sized force was able to attack and wipe out the Alliance military guarding the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime. I am well aware of what basic training does given I got a brother, uncle and a couple of cousins who spend time in the military. But I also know just because you have served time in the military doesn't mean you are capable of some of the acts shown in game. For example the Navy recruits ~40,000 people a year. Of that number only around 5% qualify for training to become a Navy Seal. And of that only 1 in 4 people pass the training and become an offical Navy Seal.
Well, I tried. I've pointed out to you why the game does not support her unjustified leap in skills. You've only given excuses for her sloppy actions instead of providing in game support for why she would have skills that were never established. I've pointed out how the others demonstrate their skills instead of just bragging about it. She has no growth shown on screen that didn't go through a writing edit for convenience. "You also display no knowledge of socially awkward people." All I'm going to say is that I have struggled with social awkwardness. It doesn't go away with increased interaction. And it sure as hell doesn't mean I can read people enough to make a business out of it. Liara gaining proficiency in 2 years spits in the face of anyone who does legitimately struggle with social interactions and does more damage in making people think it can be overcome just by more exposure. So thank you, for telling me what I am and what I know. I am sooo fond of when others decide for me what my life is and who I am as a person. The game supports it about as much as everyone else.
So have I but social awkwardness comes in many varieties. I'm socially awkward as hell until I become comfortable in the situation or know the people better. But before I was much worse and it took 1 year of working in retail to draw me out of my shell. I'm still awkward in new situations but that is mostly because I don't want to aggravate or offend someone because it isn't worth the time or effort to deal with someone who is pissed at me. Particularly if I might have to deal with them over and over again. Or at work learn how far I can go with jokes and such without someone reporting me to the boss.
I went with my father in law to his bowls club because he wanted someone to go with me and show me the sport. There I started a conversation over some snooker with this one guy around my age. When my wife came to pick us up it turns out she knew the guy threw a friend and he has autism. And according to her the 8 months to a year between when she saw him last he had improved his social skills dramatically. I honestly didn't have a clue the guy I had been talking to and joking with for the last 3 hours was autistic. The guy beat the shit out of me in pool and then later at darts. Because autism exists on a scale and not every autistic person is so disabled they can't move or even feed themselves.
That is why I say you don't know what you are talking about. Because you are pulling the equivalent that because she is shown to be socially awkward she must be the absolute extreme end of it. Rather like someone mentioning their relative is autistic and you automatically assume they are the so disabled they can't even control their own bowels and need a diaper. Those people do exist but to assume anyone who has autism is automatically the most fucked up possible way simply isn't true and it is based on ignorance.
Is Liara shy and awkward in the first game? Yes she is without a doubt. Is there any proof that she would be incapable of over coming or dealing with her shyness in 2 years? Not a scrap.
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Post by Quickpaw on Jun 22, 2018 1:00:32 GMT
One story-lore separation that has always bothered me even as I acknowledge its necessity is; why do all the non-english speaking people have their lip movements synched perfectly to english speech? The omni-tool's universal translator shouldn't in-lore effect anything other than another audio layer the wearer is perceiving. And why are understandable/relatable human idioms and speech inflections coming from species that by rights shouldn't be able to articulate anything resembling human speech? Only the Elcor get and Hanar get any real development or explanation for their relatively unique speech patterns (and they don't have moving mouths).
Of course I know exactly why: to better relate to the character(s) in question, and avoid the uncanny valley effect. Plus they had the budget now to not have half the dialogue be KotOR's or Jade Empire's second language on a "translated" loop.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 22, 2018 12:29:16 GMT
Seriously, you're picking this back up again after all this time?
I've had other things to do and only just got a chance to reply last night. Great thing about a forum is that even if a reply is months later the time doesn't matter.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 22, 2018 13:55:47 GMT
Seriously, you're picking this back up again after all this time?
I've had other things to do and only just got a chance to reply last night. Great thing about a forum is that even if a reply is months later the time doesn't matter.
It does in a way. Dropping off with no indication of returning to the topic for an extended period of time comes off as rude. But since you're also doubling down on telling me I still don't know anything, that's not surprising. I suppose I could reduce the argument down to this: Do you think socially awkward people are qualified to do government level work where one wrong word can lead to economic disaster, if not war? |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 22, 2018 14:46:34 GMT
I've had other things to do and only just got a chance to reply last night. Great thing about a forum is that even if a reply is months later the time doesn't matter.
It does in a way. Dropping off with no indication of returning to the topic for an extended period of time comes off as rude. But since you're also doubling down on telling me I still don't know anything, that's not surprising. I suppose I could reduce the argument down to this: Do you think socially awkward people are qualified to do government level work where one wrong word can lead to economic disaster, if not war? Personal life is more important then any random talking on the internet. Moving, work, wedding planning all take priority over a forum chat that sits about second to last on my list of priorities.
You don't know anything because you only think in absolutes without any proof.
Your question depends on what you think of President Trump as he is a great current event example of this. His words that he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. His actions of instituting a zero policy effect on illegal immigration resulting in thousands of children being taken from their parents and herded into camps. His words that it was a law passed by the Obama administration and that the Republicans controlling all 3 aspects of the government are helpless to change anything. His action of only doing something to address this issue after out rage and backlash reaches a roaring crescendo.
Me personally actions speak louder then words. This also appears to be the case on the world stage as Canada didn't get pissed at the USA until Trump started the easy to win trade wars. His words raised some eyebrows and they tried to work with him. His actions is what made Canada tell him to go fuck himself.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 22, 2018 15:00:23 GMT
Personal life is more important then any random talking on the internet. Moving, work, wedding planning all take priority over a forum chat that sits about second to last on my list of priorities.
You don't know anything because you only think in absolutes without any proof.
Your question depends on what you think of President Trump as he is a great current event example of this. His words that he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. His actions of instituting a zero policy effect on illegal immigration resulting in thousands of children being taken from their parents and herded into camps. His words that it was a law passed by the Obama administration and that the Republicans controlling all 3 aspects of the government are helpless to change anything. His action of only doing something to address this issue after out rage and backlash reaches a roaring crescendo.
Me personally actions speak louder then words. This also appears to be the case on the world stage as Canada didn't get pissed at the USA until Trump started the easy to win trade wars. His words raised some eyebrows and they tried to work with him. His actions is what made Canada tell him to go fuck himself.
I don't care what you do with your personal life. One can however, always ask to pick this topic up another time. I don't think it needs to be as difficult as involving real world politics. It's needlessly preaching to the choir without actually answering the question I gave. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 22, 2018 16:33:15 GMT
Personal life is more important then any random talking on the internet. Moving, work, wedding planning all take priority over a forum chat that sits about second to last on my list of priorities.
You don't know anything because you only think in absolutes without any proof.
Your question depends on what you think of President Trump as he is a great current event example of this. His words that he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. His actions of instituting a zero policy effect on illegal immigration resulting in thousands of children being taken from their parents and herded into camps. His words that it was a law passed by the Obama administration and that the Republicans controlling all 3 aspects of the government are helpless to change anything. His action of only doing something to address this issue after out rage and backlash reaches a roaring crescendo.
Me personally actions speak louder then words. This also appears to be the case on the world stage as Canada didn't get pissed at the USA until Trump started the easy to win trade wars. His words raised some eyebrows and they tried to work with him. His actions is what made Canada tell him to go fuck himself.
I don't care what you do with your personal life. One can however, always ask to pick this topic up another time. I don't think it needs to be as difficult as involving real world politics. It's needlessly preaching to the choir without actually answering the question I gave. And my reply was me picking the topic back up when I finally had some time. You are the one that seemed oddly offended that my personal life didn't put you as the top priority to continue a conversation on a fan forum.
I did answer your question. How ever you are the one who brought up government and someone saying something that would result in war or economic crash. Trump when not reading from a prepared script often times sounds incoherent.
But it isn't his mangling of the english language that caused the Prime Minister of Canada and in deed most of Canada to be pissed at him. It was his actions that he took.
So I answered your question perfectly.
My question to you is what proof do you have that Liara is so crippled with social skills that in 2 years time she would be unable to over come the awkward person we see in ME 1?
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Post by opuspace on Jun 22, 2018 18:53:23 GMT
You're missing the point. I'm not offended you had other priorities. What's a little irritating is dropping off with no warning and then picking it back up again weeks later. It comes off as extremely petty, like you had to have the last word no matter what. I'm afraid you've lost me back there as to the relevance of your real world reference to politics to the topic that's now old and stale. You didn't connect it to how it supports your point and never provided in game justification for why you believe otherwise. What's more annoying is that you missed what I already did point out as in game evidence when Liara didn't realize when Shepard was joking in ME1. I'm going to end this conversation here. This isn't even a debate. It's more catch up trying to get you to understand first what I said and why yours is so confusing and how you still gave no actual answer. It wouldn't be so bad to disagree, but you're going out of your way to say the opposing side is wrong and layering assumptions about someone without backing it up. |
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Post by Phantom on Jun 22, 2018 20:22:58 GMT
this is just me and nothing else that Liara has a form of aspergers or autism due to her hyperfocus nature. For example, Other characters including other asari have normal facial expressions for video game characters where Liara has seemingly forced facial expressions like how she doesn't know how to acted. being a Prothean researcher is a very narrow interest where a person with aspergers or autism would be more suited due to their hyperfocus nature. If it is intentional or unintentional by Bioware, it is not an insult to have aspergers or autism. If she is, she would be a high funtional Autism/aspergers. David is a sever Autistic that needs a caretaker. Where Liara if she is, doesn't need one.
In short, within the Autistic scale, there are degrees of it.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 22, 2018 21:01:06 GMT
this is just me and nothing else that Liara has a form of aspergers or autism due to her hyperfocus nature. For example, Other characters including other asari have normal facial expressions for video game characters where Liara has seemingly forced facial expressions like how she doesn't know how to acted. being a Prothean researcher is a very narrow interest where a person with aspergers or autism would be more suited due to their hyperfocus nature. If it is intentional or unintentional by Bioware, it is not an insult to have aspergers or autism. If she is, she would be a high funtional Autism/aspergers. David is a sever Autistic that needs a caretaker. Where Liara if she is, doesn't need one. In short, within the Autistic scale, there are degrees of it. Hey, I agree and I am someone diagnosed with Aspergers. There's a fundamental difference in how other people see things vs how I see them. 20 years of practice and I still have to ask others to explain certain things or what they meant by that or why do people do what they do. It's not something that will just "go away with exposure". I will never truly catch on as quickly as someone else might. That doesn't make me non-functional, but to aim for a job like an information broker? AHAHAHAHA! No. Information brokering we see in game is dangerous. One wrong word can change so much and give away your leverage. And there's more than that. Like drawing conclusions from vague bits and pieces of information you see. Guessing ahead of others as to their motive and deciding who is the most likely to give you the advantage. We might have obvious bits that can be used, but going up against alien government agents who thrive in that world? |
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Post by Phantom on Jun 22, 2018 21:35:59 GMT
To Gothpunk, it is not an jab as a character if Liara is confirmed to be asperger or some form of Autistism. People like me will not knock her for intelligence but more how she is written in context as in the Mass Effect Shepard Trilogy.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 23, 2018 2:40:12 GMT
You're missing the point. I'm not offended you had other priorities. What's a little irritating is dropping off with no warning and then picking it back up again weeks later. It comes off as extremely petty, like you had to have the last word no matter what. I'm afraid you've lost me back there as to the relevance of your real world reference to politics to the topic that's now old and stale. You didn't connect it to how it supports your point and never provided in game justification for why you believe otherwise. What's more annoying is that you missed what I already did point out as in game evidence when Liara didn't realize when Shepard was joking in ME1. I'm going to end this conversation here. This isn't even a debate. It's more catch up trying to get you to understand first what I said and why yours is so confusing and how you still gave no actual answer. It wouldn't be so bad to disagree, but you're going out of your way to say the opposing side is wrong and layering assumptions about someone without backing it up. Or I just had other things to do. As I expect when other people delay in replying to me on any forum. I suggest you don't ask a question you don't like the answer to next time. Social awkwardness is next to irrelevant to how someone can conduct themselves even in a high level government position. Words and statements can be clarified. Actions are definitive and final. I connected it perfectly how ever you don't seem to grasp it. But it does continue to show what I already stated. You seem unable to see complexity as you only deal in simple absolutes. Particularly because you use Liara not understanding a joke as your prime proof. I've not understood a lot of jokes in my 30 years on this planet. Either it is a bad joke, it is coming from someone who normally doesn't make those jokes so you think they are serious or when mixing cultures the references do not mesh. I get the last one a lot with my wife's relatives as her side of the family are born, raised and live in the UK. So often they will make jokes with references or inside jokes that I don't understand because I did not grow up in that culture.
Liara was shown to have very little interaction with the human race. So Shepard making a joke that you and I know it is a joke because we are familiar with the quirks and particulars of our race but Liara who isn't use to it would easily miss it. Rather like taking someone like Ash who has no experience with non humans and dropping her in the middle of Tuchunka. The Kroan behavior of killing each other over minor insults would seem savage and violent to her but to the Krogan it is just Tuesday.
Also using your logic of one missing one joke means she is a social cripple for life then that must mean next time I cough it means I have the plague and will die.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 23, 2018 2:42:52 GMT
Or I just had other things to do. As I expect when other people delay in replying to me on any forum. I suggest you don't ask a question you don't like the answer to next time. Social awkwardness is next to irrelevant to how someone can conduct themselves even in a high level government position. Words and statements can be clarified. Actions are definitive and final. I connected it perfectly how ever you don't seem to grasp it. But it does continue to show what I already stated. You seem unable to see complexity as you only deal in simple absolutes. Particularly because you use Liara not understanding a joke as your prime proof. I've not understood a lot of jokes in my 30 years on this planet. Either it is a bad joke, it is coming from someone who normally doesn't make those jokes so you think they are serious or when mixing cultures the references do not mesh. I get the last one a lot with my wife's relatives as her side of the family are born, raised and live in the UK. So often they will make jokes with references or inside jokes that I don't understand because I did not grow up in that culture.
Liara was shown to have very little interaction with the human race. So Shepard making a joke that you and I know it is a joke because we are familiar with the quirks and particulars of our race but Liara who isn't use to it would easily miss it. Rather like taking someone like Ash who has no experience with non humans and dropping her in the middle of Tuchunka. The Kroan behavior of killing each other over minor insults would seem savage and violent to her but to the Krogan it is just Tuesday.
Also using your logic of one missing one joke means she is a social cripple for life then that must mean next time I cough it means I have the plague and will die. [/spoiler][/quote] Way to strawman there, way to strawman |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 23, 2018 3:03:20 GMT
this is just me and nothing else that Liara has a form of aspergers or autism due to her hyperfocus nature. For example, Other characters including other asari have normal facial expressions for video game characters where Liara has seemingly forced facial expressions like how she doesn't know how to acted. being a Prothean researcher is a very narrow interest where a person with aspergers or autism would be more suited due to their hyperfocus nature. If it is intentional or unintentional by Bioware, it is not an insult to have aspergers or autism. If she is, she would be a high funtional Autism/aspergers. David is a sever Autistic that needs a caretaker. Where Liara if she is, doesn't need one. In short, within the Autistic scale, there are degrees of it.
If you are doing something you like everyone is hyper focused. That is human nature to focus on stuff you enjoy over stuff you don't enjoy. Going on facial expressions is bit dubious given the series is prone to animation problems. Prothean researcher is no more narrow interest then countless other jobs. Cardiologists focus only on the heart. Neurosurgeon focuses on the brain and nervous system. Paleontology is focusing specifically on fossiled animals and planets. Physicist has a number of specialized fields like astrophysics, nuclear physics, cosmology, etc. Someone who specializes in astrophysics might not no anything about nuclear physics beyond any basics that were taught before they selected their field to specialize in.
That is why all of this is simply projecting onto Liara without any real supporting evidence.
She is written the same way all other characters are written. "Hey this sounds cool lets have them do this." or "this will help the plot lets give them X ability now." Every character is written how ever they think it is best for the plot or what ever they think would be cool or interesting. You don't always have to agree with them about if it was best for the plot or cool or interesting. But singling out one person out of a fairly large group that are all guilty of the same thing dosen't make sense.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 23, 2018 3:09:44 GMT
Or I just had other things to do. As I expect when other people delay in replying to me on any forum. I suggest you don't ask a question you don't like the answer to next time. Social awkwardness is next to irrelevant to how someone can conduct themselves even in a high level government position. Words and statements can be clarified. Actions are definitive and final. I connected it perfectly how ever you don't seem to grasp it. But it does continue to show what I already stated. You seem unable to see complexity as you only deal in simple absolutes. Particularly because you use Liara not understanding a joke as your prime proof. I've not understood a lot of jokes in my 30 years on this planet. Either it is a bad joke, it is coming from someone who normally doesn't make those jokes so you think they are serious or when mixing cultures the references do not mesh. I get the last one a lot with my wife's relatives as her side of the family are born, raised and live in the UK. So often they will make jokes with references or inside jokes that I don't understand because I did not grow up in that culture.
Liara was shown to have very little interaction with the human race. So Shepard making a joke that you and I know it is a joke because we are familiar with the quirks and particulars of our race but Liara who isn't use to it would easily miss it. Rather like taking someone like Ash who has no experience with non humans and dropping her in the middle of Tuchunka. The Kroan behavior of killing each other over minor insults would seem savage and violent to her but to the Krogan it is just Tuesday.
Also using your logic of one missing one joke means she is a social cripple for life then that must mean next time I cough it means I have the plague and will die. [/spoiler][/quote] Way to strawman there, way to strawman [/quote][/div]
I make no straw man. I have clearly explained my answer to your question multiple times. But you claim I didn't answer it. You point to not getting a joke as some smoking gun proof that she is some sort of social cripple that wouldn't be able to be anything but a socially awkward person. But not getting a joke for numerous reasons happens all the time. It isn't some smoking gun proof that they are a social awkward for life. Heck I even made a joke that you didn't seem to get. Which again by your own reasoning you have presented means you are so socially awkward and always will be for life. And you might be I honestly don't care because the conversation isn't about you. It is about Liara and her character and you have yet to provide any real proof that she would be so socially awkward she would be incapable of dealing with it and over coming it in 2 years. Or indeed in the time between the end of ME 1 and the begining of ME 2 when the Collector ship attacked.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 18, 2018 13:19:03 GMT
When going through the Omega 4 relay, edi will say brace for deceleration. Shepard is seen holding onto Joker's seat. In ME1, at the beginning, Shepard is walking to the bridge. At one point Joker will say 'all stations secure for transit'. As Shepard reaches the brigde, Nihlus is seen as well. After going through the relay, it appears both are still in the same spot as before going through the relay. Wouldn't Nihlis and Shepard have needed to brace for deceleration as well?
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jul 30, 2018 0:58:17 GMT
When going through the Omega 4 relay, edi will say brace for deceleration. Shepard is seen holding onto Joker's seat. In ME1, at the beginning, Shepard is walking to the bridge. At one point Joker will say 'all stations secure for transit'. As Shepard reaches the brigde, Nihlus is seen as well. After going through the relay, it appears both are still in the same spot as before going through the relay. Wouldn't Nihlis and Shepard have needed to brace for deceleration as well? Maybe EDI and Joker planned - even before they got through and found themselves in a middle of a debris field - to decelerate as rapidly as possible because they didn't know what they were going to find on the other side, whereas at Eden Prime they decelerated more gradually. |
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jul 30, 2018 0:59:16 GMT
Why are there so many red telephone booths in London in the final Priority: Earth mission? Do people even use telephones in the MEU? I could see keeping a few around for historical/memorial value, but they seem to be all over the place.
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