Things that don't make sense (v2)

No there is still a choice to be made. Shepard is making a strategic call based on his superior knowledge of the Reapers compared to Hackett.  Saving the largest ship created by the races of the galaxy is part of that. Not only because it could possibly help against the Reaper or at least against the Geth to keep them off the Alliance Fleet's back. But also if worst were to happen having the most powerful ship in the galaxy that isn't a Reaper would be very helpful to have in full working order.

In order

1. There is still valid reason to save it. 

2. It is the largest most powerful war ship created by any race in the galaxy.

3. Actually it could. After all very odd how the 5th Fleet is left alone with Sovereign and no support from any Geth attacking and distracting them.

4. If I remember right if you choose to save it the 5th Fleet destroys at least 3-4 Geth ships. Even assuming they are only Frigates that would still be enough to cause problems. Particularly since the main cannon can only fire pointing right ahead and at that close range it would be at disadvantages.  As well being the power house it would be the priority target to attack.

 No there is valid reason you want a reason why part of the 5th Fleet should be sacrificed and that is a valid strategic reason why. You are then looking back after then fact and making a call based entirely on hindsight which is 20/20. It is the equivalent of us looking back at D Day and saying well the Allies should have done X instead of Y because the Germans did A, B and C.

And yet it is the largest ship in the entire galaxy that isn't a Reaper or created by the Reapers. It is also a ship allied and given to the Citadel Fleet by the Asari Government and used to maintain protection to the Council and all other client races who take part of the galactic UN set up going on. For example if the Batarians started a war with not only Humanity but Elcor as well not only would the Turian Fleets respond (least for Volus) But the Council Fleets would respond as well since it was well beyond a singular conflict between just two races. And the Destiny Ascension would be at the front of the ranks because of it's imposing size and destructive capability.

Last I checked the Destiny Ascension is a part of the Citadel Fleet. While it was shown without it's help they were still capable of repelling the attack that doesn't mean it is incapable of helping. Even using a few rockets would assist to take down crippled Geth ships. But again this is all 20/20 hind sight. You already know the outcome and are now coming back and claiming a move or action is wrong.

We don't actually see any of the Citadel Fleets attacking besides the couple of ships that took shots at Sovereign and were bulldozed under. In any battle you want to take out the most powerful ship first because if you leave it alone it will do serious damage to your forces. And on top of that like ME3 before it veered off course with ME 2 the first game was all about how superior synthetic were to organics. The Geth being capable of pinning and taking down the largest warship created by an organic race in that cycle just enforces that set up they were doing.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't help yourself about posting analogies can you? Whatever. I don't care about the destiny. I don't care about the council. You starting to understand now? I choose to have the fleets focus on Sovereign. If you don't like that, tough luck.

I have no idea what the above has to do with anything. You posted that not only asari created, built, the destiny, but other species did as well. So what are you trying to do? You realized that your post is wrong and trying to word your way around that to make it look like that you're not wrong?
Last I checked I never said it wasn't?
The only time it showed repelling the attack was when the geth and Sovereign first attacked. I'm talking about when its under fire before being destroyed. It shows turian ships. So once the destiny is destroyed, the rest of the citadel fleet  destroy whatever geth ships are left.

In any battle you want to use that power that you have to fire at the enemy and not stand there with you tentacle up your fifth-point-of-contact like the Commander of the destiny did.

I never really understood why the council had to board the Destiny. Every competent commander would know that the enemy will try to take out the biggest threat first. So why not have the council use a small and fast ship and let the Destiny be used as it should.

There was no reason for it. When the Commander of the destiny says abandon the Citadel, I get that. Trying to lure the enemy away from the Citadel. But when she says evacuate the council, there was no need. They were not in any immediate danger. And even if they were in danger, the bodyguards or security just take them to an underground bunker to protect them. If that won't work, get them to a shuttle and fly it away from the battle.

In the second scene, it shows the destiny flying away from the Citadel. I would guess the council was onboard at that time. My first thought is its flying away taking the council to safety.

That never happened. The next time the destiny isseen its being attacked by the geth. Why didn't the Commander get the council to safety? Its her responsibility to get them to safety not put them in harm's way. She failed.

Also, why did Kirrahe just stand there cloaked in front of Leng? Why didn't he punch the guy, shoot him, knee him in the junk or something?!

If Liara is the Shadow Broker, a Prothean expert for the Crucible and a combat teammate operating out in the field, how does anything get done? Actually, why are we risking her life in the first place for fighting since she's that valuable?

Why did she move all her stuff on the Normandy without permission? Wouldn't she be safer with where Hackett stowed the Crucible? I say this because the Normandy has been fired at by a Reaper on Rannoch, risks its existence with the scanning, constantly heads towards the densest areas of Reaper held territory and nearly got stolen by Brooks.

Why can't we send Garrus and Tali to Hackett for war assets?

Why does every outfit EDI wears have to be some sort of thong? I get that fan service will exist, but even Miranda had a modest armor outfit to spare my eyes from up close butt crack shots.

Would've been nice, and gave me choices, instead of playing their movie. I'm obviously biased though, because I would've picked Jack. Liara could've been like Oracle in the DC/Batman series.

They built a roster almost as large as a fighting game, but then took a shit on it...at the most crucial moment in the story.

Well the entire logic you are using is based on knowledge of how events will unfold and basing it on that. Which isn't the same as someone not knowing what will happen and making choices on that. On top of the fact this is a game and unlike life is severely limited to what your choices can actually do. Choices can lead down a near infinite number of roads. In games you are pretty well restricted to a handful due to them having to program them.

And you don't have to like the council but don't complain about it not making sense because you choose to have a very narrow view of it.



Actually everything. Because I said it was the largest ship created by organic races in the galaxy. And like any number of debates involving gun control we have to go off on a 5 minute tangent because I dared to let it slip and call a rifle and assault rifle. And now you even though you are aware of what I mean must now go on a 5 minute complaint how it wasn't specific proper terminology. And so some how that singular slip up some how causes everything else said to be some how invalidated.

I think there is a reason for that but I won't go into it here but you seem to be falling into the same set up.



So you were not nit picking when I made the generalized statement that the Destiny Ascension was the largest warship created by organics? Oh wait based on your posts you were. Because I know you are familiar enough with the game to understand what I meant but you still felt the need to go out of the way and attempt to correct me.



Yes and that is a pretty big plot hole that the 5th Fleet completely ignores the Geth. They blow up the largest ship then magically the Citadel Fleet. That was previously being spanked like an unwanted red headed step child in walmart is capable of magically turning the tides and preventing that same Geth fleet from attacking the Alliance Fleet and preventing them from taking on Sovereign.

How ever the Alliance Fleet attacking the Geth and saving the Density Ascension it actually makes more logical sense how the Citadel Fleet could rally enough to push back the Geth Fleet and leave the remaining Alliance Fleet able to fully engage Sovereign without fear of the Geth attacking their rear.



Well to start we have no idea the actual number of Geth ships in initial attack. Secondly we have no idea how many ships were taken down between the initial fight and when Shepard gets the chance to unlock the Relay to call in the 5th Fleet. Even if it was only 30 minutes between the time the attack was launched and Shepard finally reached the Council Chambers a lot can happen. Third the entire set up of ME 1 was that the Geth were clearly superior to Organics. They for filled every Skynet trope possible. They were created by an organic race. Developed far faster then anticipated. When the plug was attempted to be pulled they rebelled and nearly wiped out the larger force of organics. Within the set up of ME 1 the Destiny Ascension having trouble with Geth ships is perfectly logical because how they set it up.

They didn't shift the Geth from evil AI uprising to misunderstood beings till ME 2.

Letting the soldiers die for the Council is basically announcing that the nearly ghetto status newcomers are the "everyone's bitch" race, who fall on their swords, for people far more experienced, fortunate, and capable than they are. There's no reason for it at all, other than moral ones. Not logical ones. And shaky moral reasons at that. You're falling on your sword for people who haven't even made the Volus a Council race all this time -- when they discovered the Citadel not long after the Asari. The very Asari who maintain dominance and keep Prothean secrets from everyone else to boot. Dyng for them is like being the battered girlfriend, who goes out of their way to defend some abusive idiot.

Hell, in the case of some, like Xilthra, it's not moral at all. It's for them to roleplay their hatred of humanity and headcanon some bizarre Asari dominance thing, which doesn't really have much to do with the game. I almost respect this more, since it's funny at least.


Unlike the Bible, the meek do not inherit the earth here. And if Drew K had fully gotten his way, the Meek would have inherited nothing at all. The whole human race would have gotten wiped out in his original ending, "for the good of all".

On a sidenote, what are those colony buildings called? It's on the tip of my tongue. Are they "pre-fabs"?

In any case, that's what I mean by ghetto status. We play a race who still uses prefabs. Yet we're required to do these grand acts of sacrifice and be major players. Give me a break.