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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2018 1:34:55 GMT
When going through the Omega 4 relay, edi will say brace for deceleration. Shepard is seen holding onto Joker's seat. In ME1, at the beginning, Shepard is walking to the bridge. At one point Joker will say 'all stations secure for transit'. As Shepard reaches the brigde, Nihlus is seen as well. After going through the relay, it appears both are still in the same spot as before going through the relay. Wouldn't Nihlis and Shepard have needed to brace for deceleration as well? Maybe EDI and Joker planned - even before they got through and found themselves in a middle of a debris field - to decelerate as rapidly as possible because they didn't know what they were going to find on the other side, whereas at Eden Prime they decelerated more gradually. I doubt that. When the SR1 is seen coming through the relay, when heading to the Citadel, after coming from Eden Prime, the SR1 slows down at a very rapid pace within a very brief moment. The momentum would send the character forward, if he/she isn't holding onto something.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 2, 2018 2:33:22 GMT
I'm about to get to Earth at the end of ME3. The Citadel arms are closed so the only way in is through the beam. Except...Ilos? Wouldn't it have been possible to go there and use the Conduit to get right into the Presidium? I would think someone would at least try it even if it turned out the Reapers had destroyed it.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 2, 2018 4:10:59 GMT
I'm about to get to Earth at the end of ME3. The Citadel arms are closed so the only way in is through the beam. Except...Ilos? Wouldn't it have been possible to go there and use the Conduit to get right into the Presidium? I would think someone would at least try it even if it turned out the Reapers had destroyed it. I have mentioned that a few times in the past. What if the reapers shutoff the beam as Shepard is running to the beam? What would they do? Head to Ilos. I would include the ME2 squadmates. Once on Ilos, have edibot find a way for the conduit to have enough power to be used again. Once on the Citadel, Shepard sees Cerberus and C-sec fighting. The player gets to see those war assets in action. When encountering Bailey, he says he saw a guy in a fancy suit head that way. Shepard catches up to TIM. Here's why the above would never work. Its because Bioware wanted the touchy-feely scene with Anderson. If Anderson were to go with Shepard to Ilos, then ok.
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I'm about to get to Earth at the end of ME3. The Citadel arms are closed so the only way in is through the beam. Except...Ilos? Wouldn't it have been possible to go there and use the Conduit to get right into the Presidium? I would think someone would at least try it even if it turned out the Reapers had destroyed it. They probably should have added a line about how the Conduit burned out after Shepard used it, yeah, since they talk about Vigil shutting down too. Speaking of which, why don't hardsuits have recording equipment?
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 2, 2018 16:26:07 GMT
Speaking of which, why don't hardsuits have recording equipment? Excellent question. Of course, the Council would have thought it was a fake since they don't believe anything Shepard says.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 8, 2018 8:51:41 GMT
The best scene with Kai Leng was when Shepard stabbed him with the omni-tool. Besides, Kai Leng's invulnerability was stupid, both on Thessia and Cronos Station. I did like Shepard pointing out how he was slow only because he wasn't running away.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 14, 2018 18:19:53 GMT
I gotta add one here! Don't know if it it was mentioned, but decided to share anyways.
Donovan Hock, the guy that lives literally a system away from the Citadel doesn't know Shepard's face (Mr/Ms Gunn), but Vido Santiago does and ocasionally throws a few taunts at the player and Zaeed.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 14, 2018 18:24:11 GMT
I gotta add one here! Don't know if it it was mentioned, but decided to share anyways. Donovan Hock, the guy that lives literally a system away from the Citadel doesn't know Shepard's face (Mr/Ms Gunn), but Vido Santiago does and ocasionally throws a few taunts at the player and Zaeed. I do believe it has been mentioned before. I would add the salarian vendor on the Citadel was able to recognize Shepard.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 14, 2018 18:28:49 GMT
I gotta add one here! Don't know if it it was mentioned, but decided to share anyways. Donovan Hock, the guy that lives literally a system away from the Citadel doesn't know Shepard's face (Mr/Ms Gunn), but Vido Santiago does and ocasionally throws a few taunts at the player and Zaeed. i.imgur.com/kUhVJJr.gifGuess Hock has a short term memory, like a goldfish. 😀
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 14, 2018 18:30:36 GMT
I just started an ME2 playthrough. When encountering Jacob for the first time, Shepard is able to ask him a few questions. He says she/he was dead when he saw her/him. Will mention most of the SR1's crew survived. Will mention Pressly by name that he was killed. Also say that the squadmates survived, the asari and quarian. Why is it the player gets more information from him than from anyone else? Why can't those questions be asked to the characters that survived the SR1's destruction? Another thing about what Jacob says. He will mention the asari by name, Liara, but not the quarians name. Why is that? I always thought it was heavily implied that some of the squadmates left the ship after destroying Sovereign and stopping Saren. Tali went back to the Migrant Fleet Wrex went back to Tuchanka, explaining why he asks about the Normandy to Shepard Garrus went back to the Citadel Kaidan/Ashley pretty much don't talk to you on Horizon because you're Cerberus And Liara is the only one that mentions the situation, even explaining how she and Feron recovered the body and gave it to Cerberus, taking me to the second answer that that's why they call Liara by name. Also, I'm pretty sure KIA people were accounted for, explaining why Pressly name is known by Jacob.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 18:36:57 GMT
I gotta add one here! Don't know if it it was mentioned, but decided to share anyways. Donovan Hock, the guy that lives literally a system away from the Citadel doesn't know Shepard's face (Mr/Ms Gunn), but Vido Santiago does and ocasionally throws a few taunts at the player and Zaeed. I think it's that Hock is so wrapped up in his own ego, he probably wouldn't recognize his own father if he came for a visit... at least that's how I explain it.
The other explanation I have is that he did recognize both Shepard and Kasumi and had guessed that they were going to try to make a move on Keiji's neural implant (which he had been unable to crack himself to that point). Rather than stop them, he saw it as an opportunity... hence the ambush once they were inside the vault.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 14, 2018 18:40:44 GMT
I gotta add one here! Don't know if it it was mentioned, but decided to share anyways. Donovan Hock, the guy that lives literally a system away from the Citadel doesn't know Shepard's face (Mr/Ms Gunn), but Vido Santiago does and ocasionally throws a few taunts at the player and Zaeed. I think it's that Hock is so wrapped up in his own ego, he probably wouldn't recognize his own father if he came for a visit... at least that's how I explain it. He did have "a feeling that it was Ms.Goto at the door" (His own words there) So, I don't know. Hock doesn't seem to be the kind of evil rich guy that keeps a shut eye to galactic news, specially if those news are, in a manner of speaking, a few steps away. Not also forgetting to mention that Shepard face and name were in Alliance propaganda for some time, so Hock could have at least searched him/her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 18:45:22 GMT
I think it's that Hock is so wrapped up in his own ego, he probably wouldn't recognize his own father if he came for a visit... at least that's how I explain it. He did have "a feeling that it was Ms.Goto at the door" (His own words there) So, I don't know. Hock doesn't seem to be the kind of evil rich guy that keeps a shut eye to galactic news, specially if those news are, in a manner of speaking, a few steps away. Not also forgetting to mention that Shepard face and name were in Alliance propaganda for some time, so Hock could have at least searched him/her. I got interrupted and added paragraph 2, probably while you were typing this. I actually think Hock recognized both Shepard and Kasumi and wanted them to get into the vault where he could ambush them... which is what he did.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 14, 2018 19:31:33 GMT
He did have "a feeling that it was Ms.Goto at the door" (His own words there) So, I don't know. Hock doesn't seem to be the kind of evil rich guy that keeps a shut eye to galactic news, specially if those news are, in a manner of speaking, a few steps away. Not also forgetting to mention that Shepard face and name were in Alliance propaganda for some time, so Hock could have at least searched him/her. I got interrupted and added paragraph 2, probably while you were typing this. I actually think Hock recognized both Shepard and Kasumi and wanted them to get into the vault where he could ambush them... which is what he did. This would make sense if Hock didn't keep refering to Shep as Gunn during combat
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 19:36:10 GMT
I got interrupted and added paragraph 2, probably while you were typing this. I actually think Hock recognized both Shepard and Kasumi and wanted them to get into the vault where he could ambush them... which is what he did. This would make sense if Hock didn't keep refering to Shep as Gunn during combat He might be doing that just to refuse to acknowledge Shepard as the formidable foe he/she really is.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 14, 2018 20:21:13 GMT
I always thought it was heavily implied that some of the squadmates left the ship after destroying Sovereign and stopping Saren. Tali went back to the Migrant Fleet Wrex went back to Tuchanka, explaining why he asks about the Normandy to Shepard Garrus went back to the Citadel Kaidan/Ashley pretty much don't talk to you on Horizon because you're Cerberus And Liara is the only one that mentions the situation, even explaining how she and Feron recovered the body and gave it to Cerberus, taking me to the second answer that that's why they call Liara by name. Also, I'm pretty sure KIA people were accounted for, explaining why Pressly name is known by Jacob. I can agree about the turian and krogan leaving before the SR1 went boom but what's the excuse for the asari? Why did she remain on the ship? Since you say Tali left before the ship went boom, why would Taylor mention the quarian surviving?
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 16, 2018 9:28:26 GMT
Surprisingly, I agreed with 8, and maybe 9, of these plot holes. Not sure a reboot would fix anything. It would just invalidate the story that was, overall, pretty damn good. It certainly sold well enough and had good reviews. I don't know that a rehash would be useful or wanted in general. One point, though, is that the article discounted IT only because of the plot holes. I think IT doesn't work no matter how you look at it.
15. The first one about war assets is easy. If you don't get people working on it, it fails. No Kasumi? Things are lost. No Jacob's wife? Great loss of Cerberus scientists. Skip Leviathan? No Ann Bryson. This is not a glaring plot hole.
14. Author of the article just made this one up. He assumes an entire human Reaper would be required. Obviously that wasn't the case.
13. Sovereign was lying. Unless you were really fooled into thinking the Reapers were the creators of the universe, you can't draw another conclusion.
12. Shepard's resurrection was ridiculous. No argument there. Less a plot hole and more just bad writing and entirely unnecessary.
11. Not a plot hole but horribly bad logic. In the minds of the Reapers, they're "preserving" harvested races in Reaper form. Still stupid but not a plot hole.
10. This one I'll give you. I made zero sense. I can conjecture Sovereign's mind was downloaded into Saren but then it doesn't jibe with ME1 itself where Sovereign says it's an entire nation itself. I doubt an "entire nation" would fit into Saren's head.
9. I'm going to go with cloning. Not so difficult. If ME1 is anything to go by, we know there were plenty of rachni floating around regardless of the decision with the queen.
8. Agreed. After everything that happened in ME1 there's no reason to assume Legion isn't lying. Sure, Legion sniped husks attacking Shepard but that would make infiltrating the Normandy all the easier.
7. Yes, entirely unexplained. I understand why Coates (?) believed no one had made it to the beam. After all, Shepard was lying on the ground at that point. It was only after that statement had been made that Shepard got up and headed to the beam. But Anderson? Made no sense. I could come up with theories but this is a clear plot hole.
6. Yep, I agree here. Low EMS should basically have done the job of the Reapers for them.
5, This is stupid and I agree.
4. I'm not sure this is a plot hole. The risk was too high that Saren could use it there or even escape with it.
3. Yeah, this is definitely weird and makes no sense. Even Control is sketchy.
2. I don't see this as a plot hole. Instead, I see that squadmates have a better understanding after going through the base.
1. Nonsensical, to some degree, except that the belief was that this was a Prothean device that had never been completed. No one knew the Crucible would be useful to the Reapers. (Though I maintain it was a Reaper creation itself because otherwise how would the Catalyst be part of it? Maybe it was subverted by other races over time to change its behavior but that's pure guesswork.) It doesn't make much sense.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2018 13:24:33 GMT
Yes, entirely unexplained. I understand why Coates (?) believed no one had made it to the beam. What's the excuse for not oredering everyone to run to the beam after the reaper flew away? Did he and others suffer from temporay blindness? Easy. It was done for the touchy-feely scene between him and Shepard. To make it believable, have both arrive at the same spot. Anderson sees Shepard unconscious. Once Shepard is conscious, Anderson decides to go forward to see about opening the arms while Shepard takes a moment to get his/her bearings. Once through the door, the player sees Anderson at the top of the ramp heading to the console. Once Shepard starts walking up the ramp, Shepard encounters interference with the comms.
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Yes, entirely unexplained. I understand why Coates (?) believed no one had made it to the beam. What's the excuse for not oredering everyone to run to the beam after the reaper flew away? Did he and others suffer from temporay blindness? Easy. It was done for the touchy-feely scene between him and Shepard. To make it believable, have both arrive at the same spot. Anderson sees Shepard unconscious. Once Shepard is conscious, Anderson decides to go forward to see about opening the arms while Shepard takes a moment to get his/her bearings. Once through the door, the player sees Anderson at the top of the ramp heading to the console. Once Shepard starts walking up the ramp, Shepard encounters interference with the comms. The "touchy feely" scene with Anderson could have occurred on the planet and the same time Shepard's squad mates are injured. Just have Anderson die before Normandy makes it in before an evac. I think it's more likely that they wanted the choice scene to go in... allow TIM to shoot Anderson or not, which foreshadows the idea of choosing between Destroy or Control.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 21:17:51 GMT
For 3-4 years, Shepard has been shouting out to anyone who would listen that the Reapers were coming, that they had (at the very least) destroyed the Protheans and that they were unimaginably powerful. We knew how powerful Sovereign was and he was just one among many. So why, when the Reapers rip past Alliance defenses, that one Alliance Council member on the Defense Committee asks "How did they get through our defenses?" Supposedly they all trusted Shepard but ultimately still didn't understand what he was saying. I'd call them as stupid as the Citadel Council but at least the Alliance had Hackett and Anderson understanding the true scope of the threat.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 21:53:28 GMT
I'd call them as stupid as the Citadel Council but at least the Alliance had Hackett and Anderson understanding the true scope of the threat. Remember they say to Shepard, 'we were hoping you could tell us", after Shepard asks what's the situation? Shepard has been locked up for 6 months and only at that time they say that comment. Idiots. Lets lock up Shepard for 6 months and do nothing, and when the reapers show up, we'll ask Shepard "What do we do?"
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 24, 2018 0:46:41 GMT
I'd call them as stupid as the Citadel Council but at least the Alliance had Hackett and Anderson understanding the true scope of the threat. Remember they say to Shepard, 'we were hoping you could tell us", after Shepard asks what's the situation? Shepard has been locked up for 6 months and only at that time they say that comment. Idiots. Lets lock up Shepard for 6 months and do nothing, and when the reapers show up, we'll ask Shepard "What do we do?" And then they were all surprised when he had no detailed plan ready to go. If they had listened back in 2183 maybe Shepard would have had time to come up with a plan - maybe a lot of heads involved could have come up with it. But no. Be obstinate and then complain when you realized you've doomed the galaxy. Well, they're all dead now and hopefully the next set of rulers to come along will learn.
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