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Post by LilTIM on Apr 23, 2017 21:39:05 GMT
This has been bothering me for some time, because i am fully aware the game was delayed a year in order to add new races. I made a thread about it on the old forum saying how i doubted the new races would make sense in the already written story, even D. Gaider replied that it wouldn't be an issue. I believe my fears were proven right.
When i played the game (only beaten it once or twice, before any dlc released) i found some moments where a certain race/class combination made more sense, and others were it detracted from immersion (ex. a qunari being addressed as a human would). Keep in mind that i'm not really considering romance options as something plot-defining, i think many people overrate what the Solas romance brings to the game, more importantly they willfully ignore all the times the immersion is broken when the dalish is treated like a human.
One of my prefered ways of picking characters before was how they were introduced, for example in DAO i considered some origins more likely for Duncan to stop by than others, simply because of the likelihood of finding an asset there. Some like the human noble wouldn't be among the top ones, even though arguably it has lots of ingame references and extra endings (marrying the ruler).
I like to envision a "most likely" start and then develop the character from there. One example would be the dwarf noble vs the dwarf commoner, the first one relies on pure dumb luck of meeting Duncan in the tunnels (plus he already refused a candidate before, it's questionable), while the second one is based on your personal fighting prowess and he picks you deliberately. Different tones i suppose, but if you asked me i would say the dwarf commoner relies less on "destiny" and such stuff, it's more likely to have happened.
So i'm asking you, how did you pick your canon inquisitor? Do you go with what makes most sense to you? or just the race you like? maybe pick based on romance options? or you have several different playthroughs? I don't really want to start a shitstorm by arguing "my PC is more canon than yours", it's a single player games and everyone has their opinion. In the end it's up to personal preference, i just would like to know how you come to your decision as to what feels best for you to play as.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 23, 2017 21:49:20 GMT
If given the option, I will play any race except human, and any class besides warrior.
I'm already a human in real life, so I'd rather explore someone different.
No particular preference between elves/qunari/dwarves, and no preference between mages and rogues. Though I do tend to play rogues for more completionist runs, simply because the stealth makes things easier.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 23, 2017 21:51:55 GMT
My favorite thing is to play as a dwarven warrior even if other races or classes make more sense for the story.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 23, 2017 21:55:06 GMT
DAO: Surana. For double handicap. And the Circle's story was so memorable. Mahariel, for the Eluvian's story. Cousland (female and male too), for Alistair and Anora. My favorite is the Circle Mage origin.
DA2: Mage Hawke. Good for story, good for Anders and Fenris too, and I like Templar Carver, for more drama and fun. But I enjoyed Anders romance as a warrior as well, that was a different feeling, and Bethany as Circle Mage was also good: so only a bit better to playing as Mage Hawke. For Legacy Warden Carver's better (Bethany sad as Warden)
DAI: For the elven storyline: dalish mage (I prefer to play as male, but I have a fem!Lavellan for Solas, I don't know, I will finish the game with her or not – probably not). For the Mage-Templar storyline: Circle Mage Trevelyan, and for fun and Iron Bull romance a Mage Adaar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
The game makes the most sense if you pick a non mage human, you get extra dialogue for you noble birth and it is clear that the game was originally intended to be that way. Mage inquisitor doesn't clock for me either because having a mage (or temlar if you pick that spec) deciding the fate of circles seems ridiculous.I pick my PCs like this in all the games In DAO Duncan is most likely to see help from powerful mages, so I picked magi origin, and in DA2 mage Hawke just doesn't make any sense to me so that was easy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 22:41:11 GMT
DA:O: Female Cousland, warrior. Because you know Queen Cousland is worth it. DA:2: Male Mage Hawke. Because I like to play mages. DA:I: Male Mage Lavellan. Also I like to play mages.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Apr 24, 2017 0:13:01 GMT
I find unlikely protagonists way more entertaining than likely ones. My least favourite run of Inquisition so far was with a human warrior - she was everything that everyone expected the Herald of Andraste to be and I was soooooooo booooooored.
My 'canon' Inquisitor is a dwarf rogue, and an atheist into the bargain! I love dwarves, and I love the story of the least likely person in Thedas rising to the challenge of saving the world. (Which is also the reason I love my Qunari Mage Inquisitor.)
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 24, 2017 0:48:52 GMT
My canon Inquisitor is a male Lavellan, currently a warrior, but I play to play a KE male Lavellan too, and he may become my new canon. We'll just have to see. Despite the fact that the elf Inquisitor often seems like an afterthought in DAI ("What's a Mythal?" is the most famous example), I think the race has tons of potential for DA4, which is why I picked it as canon. I really, really hope the writers take advantage of this and give us something awesome.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 24, 2017 1:39:07 GMT
My favorite playthrough was with a qunari warrior. I also enjoyed playing a dalish mage.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 24, 2017 2:00:20 GMT
DA tapestries weaved by Bioware (the story they want to tell) trend towards human protags. DAI especially. Hence, my canon protags are humans. The other races are AU, as far I'm concerned. By personal preference, it's still human, elves second.
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 24, 2017 2:39:15 GMT
I try to take from all categories. What makes sense, what is my favorite, romances (or lack of), class combat and lore, and voice acting when applicable.
I usually try to take an advantage of what I see as unique about a setting, and when I create a Bioware character I like to build off what's already there. For DAO, I loved the dynamic of the female City Elf origin over the male, so I made a vengeful female City Elf berserker, which turned out like Buffy with the temperament of Wolverine. She'd be my canon, if not for Morrigan's romance arc with the male Warden. When I saw the "it's your first command" aspect of Dwarf Noble, I built a character who was more militaristic and severe in appearance, and opting for no romance. It helped that I saw him as a mirror of Loghain at some parts.
But for DAI - Dwarves are my favorite race in Dragon Age and I was disappointed to be locked into human in DA2. DAI let me try Qunari, but the armor restrictions and seeing the classic DAO dwarf armor back sealed my choice. I played him as someone who jumped at the chance to escape the Carta, seeing the Anchor as an opportunity for a better life. I thought he fit fine with the story for the most part, getting plenty of references and being able to dictate to Josephine what exactly he did for the Carta. I liked that he got to clarify his beliefs about the Stone, if he had ever been to Orzammar or not. I liked that he was at a disadvantage at the Winter Palace, with Orlesians thinking that the idea of a Dwarf Herald was ridiculous.
He didn't feel ridiculous to me until it came down to Inquisition Dialogue perks. Underworld made sense, given his background. But once he picked up later ones, like the nobility, history, and arcane? He became kind of a renaissance dwarf, that must have spent every offscreen moment in the Skyhold library or reading in a tent. Maybe it wouldn't be as ridiculous on a human noble, but I doubt it. But those perks are all optional, of course.
It usually takes me multiple playthroughs to develop something towards a personal canon. DA is a bit easier in that regard, as the Wardens and Inquisitors are all separate people that always existed at some point, unlike the binary state of Hawke. Don't ask me to pick a canon Shepard in ME though.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 24, 2017 2:56:46 GMT
DA tapestries weaved by Bioware (the story they want to tell) trend towards human protags. DAI especially. Hence, my canon protags are humans. The other races are AU, as far I'm concerned. By personal preference, it's still human, elves second. Defaults aren't "more canon" than other world states. They're picked to be the simplest. For example, they'll kill off all the optional characters, and do the least amount of optional sidequests. That way, if an optionally-dead character is returning, they don't have to waste time saying: "Hello, I am Ser Optional! I met with the Hero of Ferelden in a small bar outside..." The writers can just assume that the player will know who they are. Series newcomers would be playing in the default world state, where Ser Optional and all the other optional characters are dead. So nobody who needs the lore-dump would ever meet Ser Optional. I assume the story is similar for non-human protagonists. Non-human protagonists tend to have a little extra flavor text, so they Ser-Optional them out of the default world state. This simplifies the setting for newcomers (who probably don't care what race the Hero of Ferelden was), while allowing returning players to say "ah, you mentioned they were a dwarf!"
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 24, 2017 14:27:43 GMT
I just pick the character I enjoyed the most from each game. A year ago I was determined to import my Solas romance playthrough because of the story importance, now I've lost all interest and will probably import my dwarf girl instead because I liked her better. I'm much happier having a protagonist I like than having a protagonist that makes the most sense. SWTOR is the only exception because of how hard they screwed up with non-force users.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 24, 2017 14:34:08 GMT
If given the option, I will play any race except human, and any class besides warrior. I'm already a human in real life, so I'd rather explore someone different. No particular preference between elves/qunari/dwarves, and no preference between mages and rogues. Though I do tend to play rogues for more completionist runs, simply because the stealth makes things easier. This: I like playing anything non-human (although my current inqui is a human, but she is my sixth or so inqui and all others were elfs and dwarves), because I'm already a human in real life. I also never play warriors, I just can't bring myself to. I tend to slightly favor rogues over mages, but I love playing both. Since most of my DAO and DAI playthroughs were Dalish and Carta (classless in DAO), those two are obviously my preferred backrounds
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Post by azarhal on Apr 24, 2017 15:54:53 GMT
Let see. In DAO, human mage. I really love the class and origin. I do like the casteless and dalish a lot too. They can't be mage though and I find melee rogue annoying to play... In DA2, purple Hawke mage. I do like the rogue class a lot too, but rogues can't be Force Mage. In DAI, I finished the game with a male human warrior. I like sword&board but humans is kinda blah. As someone else said, I was what everyone was expecting. I made a human and dalish mage and I think Dalish felt cooler to play. I need to make a dwarven rogue though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 16:05:54 GMT
Always the character that I like. Still wish I've played all Intro mini chapters in the Origin, as I would have picked a Dwarf over a Mage. Qunari is my favorite race after Inquisition, because small races are more common than the giant races, and Qunari are a very good giant race at that. To sum up, if I knew what I know now, I'd have played Origins with a female fighter Dwarf Noble, and the inquisition would be the same, Male Qunari Mage; if Cullen was open to Qunari, then Female Qunari Mage. For Hawke I prefer male rogue, though I wish a rogue had a check somewhere that allowed him to indicate Carver or Bethany as his surviving sibling.
so, my preferred canon if I replayed the game to make a perfect run/write my own DA story:
Warden: Dwarven Noblewoman Fighter, Alistair LI Champion: Male Rogue, red/purple, Anders LI Inquisitor: Male Qunari Mage, Dorian LI
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 24, 2017 16:25:18 GMT
This has been bothering me for some time, because i am fully aware the game was delayed a year in order to add new races. I made a thread about it on the old forum saying how i doubted the new races would make sense in the already written story, even D. Gaider replied that it wouldn't be an issue. I believe my fears were proven right. When i played the game (only beaten it once or twice, before any dlc released) i found some moments where a certain race/class combination made more sense, and others were it detracted from immersion (ex. a qunari being addressed as a human would). Keep in mind that i'm not really considering romance options as something plot-defining, i think many people overrate what the Solas romance brings to the game, more importantly they willfully ignore all the times the immersion is broken when the dalish is treated like a human. I understand where you're coming from, and to a certain degree I agree. But I'm okay with it in DAI, as you're seen as a holy figure by many. A miracle-worker delivered by Andraste, and was exactly what the people needed, when they needed it. And the difference you are shown by others can be chalked up to being a powerful, influential figure in the world. No matter how might really feel about the Inquisitor, it's wise to be on your best behavior. I personally liked those Inquisitors who would upset the Chantry apple-cart the most - Dalish & Qunari. Dalish are my favorite DA race in general and usually wind up in preferential spots in my DA Keep. Mages & Rogues are generally my favorites, AW/KE typically at the top. I typically have a lot of playthroughs in these games so I wind up exploring most (if not all) options.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 16:48:06 GMT
Dalish elf any class is my favorite for Inquisition, but I have played all the races and classes with humans being the least fun for me. Both qunari and elves have a strong tie to the main story, especially with Trespasser and that is what is important to me. I do think dwarves were over-looked in the main campaign but Descent helped a bit, lore wise at least.
I guess I find playing a human boring in DAI because I feel as if the best way to go as human is someone who believes they are Andraste's chosen and fully supporting the Chantry, and I find that hard to sustain through the whole game because I really dislike the Chantry. I realize there are other ways to go, but for me this seems the best for rp-ing a human in Thedas. Also, I find this particular game to be the best at making it satisfying to play as an elf with some of the big decisions that are available. Playing as a qunari is fun because almost every single person you encounter expects you to be a dumb thug, and you can prove them completely wrong, whether your good or cruel and bloodthirsty.
I think if you expect every encounter in the game to be tailored to whatever non-human race you roll with you will be disappointed, but that is an unfair expectation anyway. For me, the game provides enough acknowledgement and satisfying choices to make rp-ing a non-human fun.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 24, 2017 19:10:52 GMT
I almost always play humans with an occasion elf character thrown in. I pick based on who I want to romance, such as a female Cousland to romance Alistair. I did play a female elf to romance Solas. Playing humans fits best for me because I can relate to humans.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 24, 2017 20:23:28 GMT
I like to mix it up.
My canon Warden was male elf rogue.
My canon Hawke was a female human (obviously) mage.
My canon Inquisitor was originally supposed to be a female qunari or dwarf warrior to complete the class trifecta, but I liked the Solas romance so much I made her an elf warrior instead even if she does look a little sillier with those oversized weapons.
Since I've done all three classes in my personal canon storyline, I'm thinking I'll revisit a mage in DA4, try out a male qunari.
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Post by cespar on Apr 24, 2017 21:43:50 GMT
Always Dwarven archer or Dwarven sword and shield. I can't choose a favorite between the classes, but dwarf is the master race. Canon: Male Warden Brosca (dwarf) archer rogue. Champion Hawke archer rogue. Inquisitor Cadash (dwarf) archer rogue. I have a type.
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Post by Lady Sif on Apr 25, 2017 1:50:26 GMT
My canon playthrough is usually a mage, but with DAO I love the Cousland origin story more than the circle origin. I also do a male and female canon playthrough.
DAO female warrior Cousland romances Alistair and becomes his queen. Male warrior Cousland marries Anora
DA2 female mage purple Hawke romances Fenris Male mage purple Hawke romances Isabela
DAI female mage Elf who romances Solas Male mage Elf romances Dorian
As far as why I picked Lavellan as my cannon inquisitor for both male and female. I just honestly like the idea of an Elf rising up when everyone needs it and saving Thedas even if that means being the herald of a religion they don't fully understand.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 25, 2017 2:15:09 GMT
I think from story purposes female elven mage fits best for me. For the other games I'm notreally sure tbh in DA2 I'd say any of them as I love playing as any of them but my favouirite character's I'v created have often been mages or Rogues and that's the same with DAO as well tbh.
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Post by humblepenguin on Apr 25, 2017 2:17:48 GMT
Dwarf is always my number one choice when it comes to RPGs. I tend to stay away from Human. As for the class i tend to always go some sort of rogue. I just started my first play through the other day as a dwarf Archer. He will be pissed at the world and I cant wait to see where the game takes me.
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Post by mabarigoeswoof on Apr 25, 2017 10:31:39 GMT
DAO: Rogue. M!Cousland was the most complete save I had, so that went into the Keep. Couldn't make a dwarf I was happy with (though I think dwarf lore is really interesting), and neither of the elf origins grabbed me.
DA2: male rogue. DW is my favourite class by a long shot.
DAI: male mage Adaar. Horns are awesome. Got a kick out imagining how freaked out people would be by the Herald of Andraste/the Inquisitor being not just a mage, but a giant horned dude, too. Which is why I went with it, even though mage isn't my preferred class and the game is clearly not written for a Qunari PC.
I don't mind playing human, though. If the story isn't written for a non human class, then throwing it in probably isn't going to work very well (on a personal level, anyway. If races are treated different in universe, then I want it to be reflected in the game. Different races worked in DAO, but really wouldn't have in DA2 and I would have found it really immersion breaking. I never did finish a mage!Hawke run for that reason)
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