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May 3, 2017 12:12:53 GMT tyrion26 said:

The reflected shots are hit scan. As long as you are aiming at an enemy they will get reflected back. If you aren't aiming at anything the shield will just eat the projectiles.

The Aegis reflects hitscan as hitscan and projectiles as projectiles. Grenades aren't really reflected, they seem to just bump off.

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Post by peddroelm on May 3, 2017 13:38:46 GMT

May 3, 2017 12:17:27 GMT lennybusker said:

Not that I'm arguing with the math or anything, but...Overload damage, fully specced for shields:

(3562.5 / (3 * 200)) - 1 = 4.9375

getting the power damage bonus on an engineer above 5 (1 shot not gonna happen) .. And between multiple casts lies cooldown ...

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May 3, 2017 13:32:47 GMT bjorndadwarf said:

FWIW, Backlash can hit weakpoints, though I don't know if it gets the damage bonus. I have got a weak point kills medal while using it though (had the medal pop up from a backlash kill).

I've had the same.

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Post by JRandall0308 on May 3, 2017 13:55:54 GMT

The crux of the game design problem is that it is faster and less risky(*) to take down shields with a sniper rifle than it is with a power specifically designed to take down shields.

(*) You have to stand up to fully charge Overload, which exposes you to incoming fire for a lot longer than popping out to quickscope a SR shot.

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Post by capn233 on May 3, 2017 14:31:56 GMT

SP does have fairly reliable locations for armor units, even if they are rare. Nullifiers are always adds for the Architects, and are in most of the vaults. A lot of Roakar and Outlaw spawns seem to have a random armor unit... Roakar camps on Havarl seems to repopulate when you leave.

Khett are a waste for testing armor in SP.

Not saying it isn't a big time sink to get to them though, depending on where you are.

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Post by bjorndadwarf on May 3, 2017 14:38:04 GMT

May 3, 2017 7:35:21 GMT peddroelm said:

CONFIRMED 1 hitpoint of shields will EAT A WHOLE SHOTGUN (KATANA) VOLLEY WITH ZERO BLEED-TROUGH damage to Health.
WHY ?

tested vs bronze observer.

Damaged observer to stop shield regen. Set Shield value to 1 and katana to the face ... ZERO health armor

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Unleash the dogs of reddit ?

Will retest first to make sure

RETESTED

viper 2 shield gate test inconclusive

(495 - 326.5) / (333 * (1 + 0.5) * (1.4 + 0.7 - 0.25)) = 0.182344 % // cloaked crit viper 2 ????

2 / 333 = 0.006 % // no crit viper 2 ??????

There is bleed trough to health but I fail to see the formula for it ..

Thanks for confirming that so quickly peddro, and holy shit, how weird that shotguns end up the only weapon class with (probably) that gets blocked by shieldgate.

So some people have reported that at least some shotguns take longer to apply ammo effects than other weapons (but I don't think this applied to all shotguns). One would assume that each pellet would count as a hit in terms of proccing an ammo. But some shotguns appear to not have that as the case, that in terms of proccing ammo, all the pellets in one shot are counted as one hit. It still doesn't make sense why shotguns would have no damage past shieldgate, but if all the pellets are somehow counted as part of the same attack, that would partially explain what's going on.

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May 3, 2017 13:55:54 GMT JRandall0308 said:

The crux of the game design problem is that it is faster and less risky(*) to take down shields with a sniper rifle than it is with a power specifically designed to take down shields.

(*) You have to stand up to fully charge Overload, which exposes you to incoming fire for a lot longer than popping out to quickscope a SR shot.

Rank 6a of Pull is just as effective with tons of other benefits.

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Numerical Damage Tests May 3, 2017 15:16:56 GMT

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Post by Zerfidius on May 3, 2017 15:16:56 GMT

May 3, 2017 14:31:56 GMT capn233 said:

SP does have fairly reliable locations for armor units, even if they are rare. Nullifiers are always adds for the Architects, and are in most of the vaults. A lot of Roakar and Outlaw spawns seem to have a random armor unit... Roakar camps on Havarl seems to repopulate when you leave.

Khett are a waste for testing armor in SP.

Not saying it isn't a big time sink to get to them though, depending on where you are.

The armored wildlife would be the simplest SP option in my opinion. There are many locations on Havarl and the Veold where you can perch out of melee range and unload on them. And a few spots probably even have respawn potential. And a few are probably close to forward stations enabling you to switch loadouts pretty easily.

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Post by bjorndadwarf on May 3, 2017 18:18:29 GMT

Okay, so earlier peddro found that the Katana gets a bonus against armor. Have any other shotguns been found to have the same armor modifier? I've kept up with this thread pretty well, but if that had been found, I'd missed it.

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Post by peddroelm on May 3, 2017 18:41:27 GMT

bjorndadwarf no exra shotgun vs armor that I'm aware of. I will try disciple in a bit. (my bad don't have even that in MP yet)

Closer Look at Sustained fire (Munition Traning 6a)
-2% multiplicative debuff per bullet/pellet that hits the target.
-will need 12 bullets/pellets on target to get the full bonus (the bogus shotgun pellets do not count).
-works with pellet shotguns almost as advertised (you lose 2% bits here and there per individual pellet damage)
-tested with incinerate DOT (will get the extra damage), thus can make for some hard hitting stikys as well
-expires in ~3 seconds
-WEIRD FIND EXTRA HS BONUS FOR CYCLONE FROM TIME TO TIME (BUG ??) will need further tests on other class without the debuff..~~Do all auto weapons get (inconsistent) charge up HS mod bonus ???~~ Could not reproduce with avenger and charger on engineer .
THE CYCLONE HAS INCONSISTENT HS mod bonus . Starts at 0, but gets +0.1 on auto mode and I've even seen occasional +0.7 s pop out ..

SPOILER: Click to show

cyclone 2 38 base

0.000, 44.840 // 0% 38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1 + 0)
0.094, 45.737 // 2%
0.093, 46.634 // 4%
0.058, 47.530 // 6%
0.093, 67.798 // 8%
0.093, 49.324 // 10%
0.060, 50.221 // 12%
0.093, 51.118 // 14%
0.093, 52.014 // 16%
0.059, 74.076 // 18%
0.260, 53.808 // 20%
0.092, 54.705 // 22%
0.160, 55.602 // max 44.84 * 1.24

katana 1 46 base
0.000, 54.280 // first shot 46 * (1 + 0.18)
0.026, 55.366 // 2% 46 * (1 + 0.18) *(1 + 0.02)
0.000, 55.366 // 2%
0.000, 55.366 //2%
0.011, 58.622 // 8%
0.892, 1.000 // second shot bogus shotgun damage not amplified; DOES NOT COUNT
0.027, 59.708 // 10%
0.001, 59.708 // 10%
0.020, 61.879 // 14%
0.000, 61.879 // 14%
0.000, 61.879 // 14%
0.710, 1.400 // third shot
0.027, 91.190 // 20%
0.000, 91.190 // 20%
0.020, 94.230 // already MAX //54.28 * 1.4 * 1.24 = 94.23

test to see if I could sustain the bonus indefinetly (failed)
0.000, 44.840
0.090, 45.737
0.094, 46.634
0.059, 47.530
0.093, 48.427
0.093, 49.324
0.060, 50.221
0.260, 51.118
0.092, 52.014
0.092, 52.911
0.059, 53.808
0.192, 54.705
0.159, 55.602 // Max *1.24
0.093, 55.602
0.060, 55.602
0.193, 55.602
0.159, 55.602
0.260, 55.602
0.159, 55.602
0.093, 55.602
0.094, 55.602
0.059, 55.602
0.360, 55.602
0.093, 55.602
0.160, 55.602
0.093, 55.602
0.059, 55.602
0.093, 55.602
0.360, 55.602
0.060, 55.602
0.092, 55.602
0.093, 55.602
0.060, 55.602
0.193, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.060, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.091, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.060, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 116.763 // extra 70% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.7) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.059, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
3.060, 44.840 // 3+ second reload lost sustained fire bonus
0.093, 45.737
0.260, 46.634
0.059, 47.530
0.193, 48.427
0.325, 49.324
0.093, 50.221
0.093, 51.118
0.059, 52.014
0.093, 52.911
2.493, 53.808
0.425, 76.587
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.060, 116.763 // extra 70% HS bonus
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.060, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
2.226, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
0.093, 83.402 // extra 10% HS bonus (38 * (1 + 0.18) * (1.4 + 0.1) * 1.24 ??
4.926, 67.260

extra cyclone test on engineer

HP, 157.632, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000 // base

HP, 0.095, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.095, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.061, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.195, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200 // 38 * 1.4

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.095, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.061, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.161, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.061, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.327, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.194, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.160, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.161, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.059, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.193, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.194, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000 // 38 * (1.4 + 0.1) = 57

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 9.494, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.159, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.261, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.527, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.161, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 1.693, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.059, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.260, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 4.627, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.059, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.059, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.095, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.925, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.193, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.160, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.094, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.092, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.259, 8C7F2200, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.060, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.059, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 787.000, 38.000

HP, 0.060, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 771.800, 53.200

HP, 0.460, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.060, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 1.127, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.061, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.094, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.092, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.060, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

HP, 0.093, 8D08B360, 825.000, 825.000, 768.000, 57.000

Last Edit: May 3, 2017 19:13:50 GMT by peddroelm

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Apr 30, 2017 22:16:27 GMT aryantes said:

Hopefully this helps! Fun stuff.

Hey aryantes, any chance you (or anyone!) could run through a step by step of how to get the table up and running once in game? I'm familiar with CE (can freeze my shields no problem) and loading tables and such, but when I tried setting yours up I get no output, so I'm missing something.

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May 4, 2017 0:34:40 GMT lennybusker said:

Apr 30, 2017 22:16:27 GMT aryantes said:

Hopefully this helps! Fun stuff.

Hey aryantes , any chance you (or anyone!) could run through a step by step of how to get the table up and running once in game? I'm familiar with CE (can freeze my shields no problem) and loading tables and such, but when I tried setting yours up I get no output, so I'm missing something.

Yep, will send you PM.

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Remnant VI and Offensive Tech Passive Tests - Updated for 1.06

Remnant VI

-Beam does ~~~108.9~~ 165 damage divided over 11 ticks (~~9.9~~ 15dmg / tick as of 1.06) for a duration of slightly less than 1 second. This is higher than listed.
-Beam does same damage to all defenses and organics or synthetics (no observed multipliers) at base.
-Beam does not benefit from Tech Power Damage Bonuses (Tech Power Amp, Engineering Kit, Offensive Tech), Tech Duration Bonus, or Universal Power Amp.
-Beam does not benefit from Offensive Tech Rank 5 Shield Damage (probably does not benefit from Armor either).
-Beam does benefit from Construct damage bonus in Offensive Tech.
-Designating a target does not affect beam damage.
-Rank 6 Evolutions tested in the 1.06 post here.
-Beam can get weak point hits against Hydra, info here.

Offensive Tech

-Rank 6 Shield Damage evolution appears to be "multiplicative" for powers that benefit (multiplies other passive bonuses).
-Ranks 1, 2, 3, and Rank 4 Power Enhancement are all standard "additive" bonuses.
-Duration increases Incinerate DOT ticks, but slightly less than expected, probably due to 0.5s tick rate.
-Did not have enough points to test Rank 6.

Boosters and Gear

-Universal Power Amp applies to powers, weapons and melee (for melee, see here).
-Engineering Kit and Tech Power Amp consumable applied normally to Incinerate, in a standard additive manner.

SPOILER: Click to show

***

Salarian Architect
Remnant VI 1
Incinerate 1

Assembler (Bronze)

At Timediff: 28.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.062 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900

Designated Target:

At Timediff: 2.296 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.064 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.100 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.094 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.100 Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.093 Damage : 9.900

-no change

Nullifier (Bronze)

At Timediff: 15.962 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.060 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.094 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Armor Damage : 9.900

-no armor multiplier

Raider (Bronze)

At Timediff: 18.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.061 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.098 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.095 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900

-no difference to organic health

Observer Shield (Bronze)

At Timediff: 41.963 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.062 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.103 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.092 Shield Damage : 9.898

At Timediff: 36.732 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.062 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.100 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 9.898
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 9.898

-Rounding difference?

***

Salarian Architect (no passive) + Engineering Kit (15% Tech Dmg) and Tech Power Amp I (10% Tech Dmg)

Assembler (Bronze)

Remnant VI

At Timediff: 11.730 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.063 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.099 Health Damage : 9.900

-Engineering Kit and Tech Power Amp do not apply to Remnant VI.

--

Incinerate 1

At Timediff: 58.295 Health Damage : 150.000
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 31.250

120*(1+0.15+0.1)=150

25*(1+0.15+0.1)=31.25

-Engineering Kit and Tech Power Amp I apply to incinerate impact and DOT.

**

Salarian Architect (no passive) + Universal Power Amp I (5% Damage)

Remnant VI 1

At Timediff: 8.031 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.063 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.091 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.091 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 9.900
At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 9.900

-Universal Power Amp does not apply to Remnant VI

--

Incinerate 1

At Timediff: 12.464 Health Damage : 126.000
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 26.250

120*(1+0.05)=126

25*(1+0.05)=26.25

-UPA applies to incinerate

--

Equalizer VI (63)

At Timediff: 0.096 Health Damage : 66.150
At Timediff: 0.230 Health Damage : 66.150
At Timediff: 0.195 Health Damage : 66.150
At Timediff: 0.196 Health Damage : 66.150
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 76.073
At Timediff: 0.704 Health Damage : 66.150
At Timediff: 0.289 Health Damage : 76.073
At Timediff: 0.163 Health Damage : 66.150

63*(1+0.05)=66.15

63*(1+0.05)*1.15=76.0725

Sidewinder VI (167)

At Timediff: 2.197 Health Damage : 175.350
At Timediff: 0.530 Health Damage : 175.350
At Timediff: 0.597 Health Damage : 245.490
At Timediff: 0.230 Health Damage : 175.350
At Timediff: 0.431 Health Damage : 175.350
At Timediff: 0.196 Health Damage : 245.490

167*(1+0.05)=175.35

167*(1+0.05)*1.4=245.49

-UPA applies to Equalizer and Sidewinder.

***

Respec

Salarian Architect

Remnant VI - Rank 3 Beam Damage (20%), Rank 5 Focus (35%)
No Passive

Assembler (Bronze)

Remnant VI

At Timediff: 18.893 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.064 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 15.345

9.9*(1+0.2+0.35)=15.345

-Rank 3 Beam Damage and Rank 5 Focus are regular "additive" bonuses, most likely.

***

Respec

Salarian Architect

Remnant VI 1

Offensive Tech 5
1 - Power Damage (10%)
2 - Weapon Damage (8%)
3 - Construct Damage (15%)
4 - Power Enhancement (10% Power Damage, 20% Power Duration)
5 - Shield Damage (30% Shield Damage)

Assembler (Bronze)

Equalizer VI

At Timediff: 11.226 Health Damage : 68.040
At Timediff: 0.097 Health Damage : 68.040
At Timediff: 0.095 Health Damage : 68.040
At Timediff: 0.196 Health Damage : 68.040
At Timediff: 0.296 Health Damage : 68.040

63*(1+0.08)=68.04

--

Incinerate 1

At Timediff: 3.562 Health Damage : 144.000
At Timediff: 0.494 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.497 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.496 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.498 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.493 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.494 Health Damage : 30.000
At Timediff: 0.495 Health Damage : 30.000

120*(1+0.1+0.1)=144

25*(1+0.1+0.1)=30

14 DOT ticks vs 12 at base

6*1.2=7.2

-Rank 1 and Rank 4 Offensive Tech apply to Incinerate, although the 20% Duration bonus is applying less DOT than expected (7s vs 7.2s). Assume this is because the 0.2s is expired before next half second tick.

--

Remnant VI

At Timediff: 27.595 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.062 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.094 Health Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Health Damage : 11.385

9.9*(1+0.15)=11.385

-Remnant VI does not benefit from passive tech damage bonus, nor does passive duration increase beam length.

--

Observer Shield (Bronze)

Equalizer

At Timediff: 3159.092 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.162 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.163 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.198 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.159 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.195 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.162 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.162 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.125 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.194 Shield Damage : 78.246

63*(1+0.08)*1.15=78.246

63*(1+0.08)*1.15*1.15=89.9829

-Offensive Tech weapon damage bonus applied normally. Shield Damage evo does not apply to weapon.

--

Incinerate 1

At Timediff: 29.928 Shield Damage : 187.200

120*(1+0.1+0.1)*1.3=187.2

-Offensive Tech Rank 5 Shield Damage is "multiplicative" bonus.

--

Remnant VI

At Timediff: 20.231 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.060 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 11.385

-Remnant VI does not benefit from Rank 5 Shield Damage evolution of Offensive Tech.

Last Edit: May 12, 2017 21:39:47 GMT by capn233

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Thanks to Aryantes's help (and all of the other testers' inspiration) I'm doing some logs now. I'd like to look at powers and combos for a bit.

Check this out. I'm gonna refine this test setup in a bit but just preliminary finding:

Bronze, Tutorial vs. Kett.

With my Kineticist spec, Lance was 496.000 damage on non-headshot. Can't recall if that was Ascended or not but I kept it the same way through all the tests. But here's the interesting bit.

HP, 1493861815, 2396.937, 8A0194A0, 825.000, 825.000, 824.000, -1.000 < Pull
HP, 1493861818, 2400.637, 8A0194A0, 825.000, 824.000, 359.250, -464.750 < Lance
HP, 1493861818, 2400.654, 8A0194A0, 825.000, 359.250, 0.000, -359.250 < Combo

Now, I'm obviously up against the Chosen HP limit on Bronze here. But you can see a tick for Lance and a tick for the Combo. And Lance does less damage when detonating than it does on its own.

I need to work on my test setup for Gold to see how much damage the combos actually do when they're not wiping someone out, but I see the same 464 damage Lance on detonations there, so it's consistent.

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Post by lennybusker on May 4, 2017 3:30:51 GMT

Just want to post this before I go to bed, maybe you guys can make sense of it.

Gold, Kineticist vs Kett. Not Ascended for any of this. I remembered now that I was Ascended for all my testing in the Tutorial.

SPOILER: Click to show

HP, 1493865057, 5639.881, 9450FF60, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2310.000, -65.000 < Throw
HP, 1493865058, 5640.249, 9450FF60, 2375.000, 2310.000, 1985.000, -325.000 < Collision

HP, 1493865333, 5915.142, 908E1AD0, 2375.000, 1985.000, 1569.000, -416.000 < Lance

HP, 1493865360, 5942.877, 90763060, 2375.000, 1431.624, 1430.624, -1.000 < Pull
HP, 1493865362, 5944.444, 90763060, 2375.000, 1430.624, 965.874, -464.750 < Lance
HP, 1493865362, 5944.445, 908D90D0, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2017.500, -357.500 < Combo
HP, 1493865362, 5944.448, 90763060, 2375.000, 965.874, 425.074, -540.800 < ????

I think 540.8 is a collision, because he was near a wall and hit it after the combo. I'm trying to do some more tests where I combo them out in the air. Tomorrow probs.

HP, 1493865404, 5986.347, 908E1AD0, 2375.000, 1569.000, 1568.000, -1.000 < Pull
HP, 1493865405, 5987.681, 908E1AD0, 2375.000, 1568.000, 1103.250, -464.750 < Lance
HP, 1493865405, 5987.684, 908E1AD0, 2375.000, 1103.250, 562.450, -540.800 < ????

Again, I'm thinking collision. But notice there's no 357.5? The combo tick disappeared here.

HP, 1493865440, 6022.750, 91DD1B20, 2375.000, 2374.000, 2373.000, -1.000 < Pull
HP, 1493865442, 6024.250, 91DD1B20, 2375.000, 2373.000, 1908.250, -464.750 < Lance
HP, 1493865442, 6024.271, 91DD1B20, 2375.000, 1908.250, 1367.450, -540.800 < ????

Same thing.

HP, 1493865514, 6096.559, 908D90D0, 2375.000, 2017.500, 2016.500, -1.000 < Pull
HP, 1493865518, 6100.523, 908D90D0, 2375.000, 2016.500, 1667.938, -348.563 < Throw Combo
HP, 1493865518, 6100.526, 908D90D0, 2375.000, 1667.938, 1583.438, -84.500 < Throw
HP, 1493865520, 6102.889, 908D90D0, 2375.000, 1583.438, 0.000, -1583.438 < Off Map Splat

Damage ticks are out of order, probably just a quirk of the logger. But there's no 540 here, so probably confirming that those are collisions since combos do have quit a bit of force. But what the fuck happened to my combo damage earlier? :itisamystery:

HP, 1493865548, 6130.893, 9250E950, 2375.000, 2372.600, 2307.600, -65.000 < Throw
HP, 1493865549, 6131.160, 9250E950, 2375.000, 2307.600, 1982.600, -325.000 < Collision
HP, 1493865549, 6131.360, 9250E950, 2375.000, 1982.600, 1625.100, -357.500 < Combo
HP, 1493865549, 6131.372, 9250E950, 2375.000, 1625.100, 1209.100, -416.000 < Lance

This is a quickscope Lance using Throw as a primer. Lance hitting here for base 416 damage instead of 464. Interesting.

It's weird. I'm guessing detonator powers do a set damage based on which primer they're detonating. In the tutorial my beefy Ascended Lances got toned down for their damage when detonating, but on Gold my puny unAscended Lances got boosted a lil bit. And yet when detonating Throw, they did normal damage. Tomorrow I'll test detonating ammo primers to compare.

Uh, also, there has long been conventional wisdom going around that combo damage scales with difficulty. I'm not so sure about that.

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Post by peddroelm on May 4, 2017 3:38:03 GMT

starting to test with developed abilities problem since you don't know what most of those numbers are ..

Need to start with low level abilities and build up the formulas for them as you enable more perks ..

Quick observation ComboDamage is applied BEFORE detonating power impact damage in andromeda.
Primer , ...., Combo, Detonator, ..Environmental impact

need to check more
shockwave detonator did damage BEFORE combo
lance and throw detonator did damage AFTER combo

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random minitest being in cover provides 40 damage resist when hit (even when flanked)

26.786 * (1 / (1 + 0.4)) = 19.1328

Last Edit: May 4, 2017 3:50:39 GMT by peddroelm

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May 4, 2017 3:38:03 GMT peddroelm said:

starting to test with developed abilities problem since you don't know what most of those numbers are ..

Need to start with low level abilities and build up the formulas for them as you enable more perks ..

Quick observation ComboDamage is applied BEFORE detonating power impact damage in andromeda.
Primer , ...., Combo, Detonator, ..Environmental impact

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random minitest being in cover provides 40 damage resist when hit (even when flanked)

26.786 * (1 / (1 + 0.4)) = 19.1328

My Lance and Throw are both at level 1. I'm not too worried about what their damage actually is at base or whatever, just looking for the mechanics of how powers detonate and all that. I'm expecting "+30% Combo Damage and Force" passives to only apply to the combo detonation damage tick itself, but you're right I should take them out just in case they're somehow applying to the other powers involved.

That makes sense about the damage order, but it makes some cases even more confusing. We'll see tomorrow!

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Post by konfeta on May 4, 2017 4:04:47 GMT

May 4, 2017 3:38:03 GMT peddroelm said:

starting to test with developed abilities problem since you don't know what most of those numbers are ..

Need to start with low level abilities and build up the formulas for them as you enable more perks ..

Quick observation ComboDamage is applied BEFORE detonating power impact damage in andromeda.
Primer , ...., Combo, Detonator, ..Environmental impact

need to check more
shockwave detonator did damage BEFORE combo
lance and throw detonator did damage AFTER combo

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random minitest being in cover provides 40 damage resist when hit (even when flanked)

26.786 * (1 / (1 + 0.4)) = 19.1328

Does that 40 DR stack with hold the line? Or does Hold the Line replace it?

Last Edit: May 4, 2017 4:05:07 GMT by konfeta

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Post by peddroelm on May 4, 2017 4:09:45 GMT

May 4, 2017 4:04:47 GMT konfeta said:

May 4, 2017 3:38:03 GMT peddroelm said:

random minitest being in cover provides 40 damage resist when hit (even when flanked)

26.786 * (1 / (1 + 0.4)) = 19.1328

Does that 40 DR stack with hold the line? Or does Hold the Line replace it?

Defensive Positioning skill description says it improves (on the base 40) so it should stack. Can't test it atm since my chars are low level ..

Assuming it stacks 140 damage resists
1 / (1 + ((100 + 40) / 100)) = *0.41(6) multiplier to incoming damage while in cover ..

Hold the line +200 if it stacks with cover
1 / (1 + ((200 + 40) / 100)) =
*0.294 multiplier to incoming damage while in cover ..

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Post by capn233 on May 4, 2017 4:26:04 GMT

May 4, 2017 4:09:45 GMT peddroelm said:

May 4, 2017 4:04:47 GMT konfeta said:

Does that 40 DR stack with hold the line? Or does Hold the Line replace it?

skill description says it improves (on the base 40) so it should stack. Can't test it atm since my chars are low level ..

Assuming it stacks 140 damage resists
1 / (1 + ((100 + 40) / 100)) = *0.41(6) multiplier to incoming damage while in cover ..

That sounds like Defensive Positioning.

Hold the Line is 200 DR at < 30% health.

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