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Post by WopGnop on May 9, 2017 13:32:22 GMT
Does anyone know why sometimes you press and hold the button but the shield of backlash lasts only 1 second and it promptly goes on cooldown? I thought it was lag off host, but then it happened multiple times even when I hosted. Sometimes I quickly need the shield but it doesn't work, as if I just tapped the button instead of holding it down. It had me look at my finger to see if it was still there pressing the button, and I can confirm it was.  Good thread though, I loved your old numerical formulas thread about ME3 peddroelmz. |
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Post by N7Mith on May 9, 2017 13:40:47 GMT
a quick backslash test from reddit Hello_Isaac . Extra confirm on the UI lie of return damage *1.25 and NOT *1.75 as listed in UI. 5b is multiplicative: return damage becomes IncomingDamage * (1 + 0.25) * ( 1 + 1). Do biotic bonusses apply to it as well? I imagine they should, but I don't feel much difference. Edit; Passives as well as boosters. I wouldn't be surprised those depend on sp settings, or on your other backlash kit at this point  |
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Post by peddroelm on May 9, 2017 13:40:57 GMT
WopGnopperhaps low chance but maybe mechanical problem with your keyboard (how old) ?  Lets see if other players complain about this ?
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Post by peddroelm on May 9, 2017 13:41:45 GMT
a quick backslash test from reddit Hello_Isaac . Extra confirm on the UI lie of return damage *1.25 and NOT *1.75 as listed in UI. 5b is multiplicative: return damage becomes IncomingDamage * (1 + 0.25) * ( 1 + 1). Do biotic bonusses apply to it as well? I imagine they should, but I don't feel much difference. good question. Did not occurred to us to test |
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Post by WopGnop on May 9, 2017 13:54:53 GMT
WopGnop perhaps low chance but maybe mechanical problem with your keyboard (how old) ? Lets see if other players complain about this ? PS4 controller, and it seems to be functional (bought in november 2016). Perhaps it's a timing problem, I have this "bug" only when I quickly need the shield after I casted some power or shot a gun. And by quickly I mean in less than a second. It never shows when I have plenty of time to pop it. Probably I'm just too fast for the game or there's some sort of input lag with the controller (I'm new to consoles). |
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Post by JRandall0308 on May 9, 2017 14:02:36 GMT
Backlash randomly not sustaining -- same problem on XB1. I haven't thoroughly tested it. Could be off-host lag, could be controller input lag (worse on wireless than wired controller? don't know).
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Post by N7Mith on May 9, 2017 14:13:18 GMT
Backlash randomly not sustaining -- same problem on XB1. I haven't thoroughly tested it. Could be off-host lag, could be controller input lag (worse on wireless than wired controller? don't know). Yeah I can confirm this for both consoles as well. Input lag doesn't seem the problem as it initially activates it. Controller being old doesn't fly cuz my xbone controller is from Jan 23. Besides I have no problem sustaining flamer without being staggered. So it's not the button. I can't remember if backlash is on LB for both characters, but I do have the problem with both kits. |
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 9, 2017 14:44:45 GMT
a quick backslash test from reddit Hello_Isaac . Extra confirm on the UI lie of return damage *1.25 and NOT *1.75 as listed in UI. 5b is multiplicative: return damage becomes IncomingDamage * (1 + 0.25) * ( 1 + 1). Would you happen to know if the evo that doubles the damage inflicted returns 3.5 or 2.5? |
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 9, 2017 14:45:33 GMT
Backlash randomly not sustaining -- same problem on XB1. I haven't thoroughly tested it. Could be off-host lag, could be controller input lag (worse on wireless than wired controller? don't know). I still haven't run into this, and I use it a lot on the sentinel. |
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Post by peddroelm on May 9, 2017 15:14:32 GMT
a quick backslash test from reddit Hello_Isaac . Extra confirm on the UI lie of return damage *1.25 and NOT *1.75 as listed in UI. 5b is multiplicative: return damage becomes IncomingDamage * (1 + 0.25) * ( 1 + 1). Would you happen to know if the evo that doubles the damage inflicted returns 3.5 or 2.5? that's what the post was about *2.5 |
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 9, 2017 15:26:45 GMT
Would you happen to know if the evo that doubles the damage inflicted returns 3.5 or 2.5? that's what the post was about *2.5 Apologies. I missed the rest of the post for some reason, even though it was right there. |
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Post by konfeta on May 9, 2017 15:28:17 GMT
Damn, that's hot garbage. Guess Lance on my Duelist it is. Thank you for the info. It's still an extremely useful tool for dealing with Annointed, Observers, and Sharpshooters, provided you take the Reflection Evolution. As for the Duelist, you want to flicker it anyway to sustain your damage bonus in your Rotation (yes this kit has a Rotation) (Insert link to the Duelist Guide but the boards hate Search function atm) Rotations are boring. Tell me how to cancel the 500 year long sheathing animation after the melee swing that makes you eat 34903493049304 damage if anyone is shooting at you. The only thing I found was jump, and there are no i-frames in jumping. |
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Post by Pounce de León on May 9, 2017 15:29:10 GMT
Does anyone know why sometimes you press and hold the button but the shield of backlash lasts only 1 second and it promptly goes on cooldown? I thought it was lag off host, but then it happened multiple times even when I hosted. Sometimes I quickly need the shield but it doesn't work, as if I just tapped the button instead of holding it down. It had me look at my finger to see if it was still there pressing the button, and I can confirm it was. Good thread though, I loved your old numerical formulas thread about ME3 peddroelmz. Do you use a Logitech mouse? |
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Post by SalMasRac on May 9, 2017 16:10:56 GMT
I use a keyboard on PC and occasionally I get instant drop Backlash too
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Post by crashsuit on May 9, 2017 16:42:55 GMT
I too have the backlash issue occasionally. PC, wired keyboard with N-key rollover, so I'm pretty sure it's not a hardware issue like the keypress not registering or something.
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Post by peddroelm on May 9, 2017 16:51:40 GMT
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Post by JRandall0308 on May 9, 2017 16:54:41 GMT
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Post by WopGnop on May 9, 2017 17:14:57 GMT
Does anyone know why sometimes you press and hold the button but the shield of backlash lasts only 1 second and it promptly goes on cooldown? I thought it was lag off host, but then it happened multiple times even when I hosted. Sometimes I quickly need the shield but it doesn't work, as if I just tapped the button instead of holding it down. It had me look at my finger to see if it was still there pressing the button, and I can confirm it was. Good thread though, I loved your old numerical formulas thread about ME3 peddroelmz. Do you use a Logitech mouse? Peasant ps4 controller I find useful to know that I'm not the only one with this problem though,but a bit depressed as well... |
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Post by srkm00b on May 9, 2017 19:54:38 GMT
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Post by akots on May 9, 2017 20:01:26 GMT
I use a keyboard on PC and occasionally I get instant drop Backlash too I get it even in solo, seems like stagger issue, same as reload, something interrupts the animation. |
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Post by srkm00b on May 9, 2017 21:38:24 GMT
Just completed some Invasion testing with peddroelm . Long story short is that Invasion is better than the UI suggests. Invasion 1 is actually a 37.5% debuff, and Invasion 5B is a 52.5% debuff. Does stack additively with Asari Adept debuff for 92.5% debuff.
Invasion Level 1 Test25% Invasion Debuff Invasion 1 Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 37.5%
30% Power Damage
5% Cryo II
8% Weapon
10% Guerilla Equipment
2797 902C6620 -221.400 Normal Shot 180 * (1+.05+.08+.10) = 221.4
52297 902C6620 -365.310 Headshot 180 * (1+.05+.08+.10) * (1.4+.25) = 365.310
19187 93A08800 -39.000 Invasion
172 93A08800 -53.625 53.625 / 39 = 1.375
125 93A08800 -53.625
110 93A08800 -53.625
13953 93A08800 -304.425 Normal Shot 304.425 / 221.4 = 1.375
2328 93A08800 -502.301 Headshot 502.301 / 386.1 = 1.375 Invasion 5B Test35% Invasion Debuff Invasion 5B Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 52.5%
8% Weapon Offensive Tech 2
10% Guerilla Equipment
54657 8EE9CF00 -212.400 Normal Shot 180 * (1+.08+.10) = 212.4
578 8EE9CF00 -350.460 Headshot 180 * (1+.08+.10) * (1.4+.25) = 350.46
6422 8E76B620 -39.000 Invasion
203 8E76B620 -59.475 59.475 / 39 = 1.525
172 8E76B620 -59.475
1656 8E76B620 -323.910 323.910 / 212.400 = 1.525
1047 8E76B620 -534.452 534.452 / 350.460 = 1.525 Asari Adept 40% Debuff + Invasion 5B 52.5%Asari Adept
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35% Invasion Debuff Invasion 5B Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 52.5%
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297 9680B980 -51.975 Anni Tick 55 * .5 * (1 + 0.15 + 0.2) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2) = 51.975
62 9680B980 -71.466 Anni Tick + Invasion 55 * .5 * (1 + 0.15 + 0.2) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.525) = 71.465625
750 9680B980 -212.4 Sidewinder(SW) 180 * (1 + 0.08 + .1) = 212.4
172 9680B980 -323.91 SW + Invasion 180 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.1) * (1 + 0.525) = 323.91
203 9680B980 -408.87 SW + Invasion + AF 180 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.1) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.525) = 408.87
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Post by waltervolpatto on May 9, 2017 21:40:17 GMT
Just completed some Invasion testing with peddroelm . Long story short is that Invasion is better than the UI suggests. Invasion 1 is actually a 37.5% debuff, and Invasion 5B is a 52.5% debuff. Does stack additively with Asari Adept debuff for 92.5% debuff.
Invasion Level 1 Test25% Invasion Debuff Invasion 1 Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 37.5%
30% Power Damage
5% Cryo II
8% Weapon
10% Guerilla Equipment
2797 902C6620 -221.400 Normal Shot 180 * (1+.05+.08+.10) = 221.4
52297 902C6620 -365.310 Headshot 180 * (1+.05+.08+.10) * (1.4+.25) = 365.310
19187 93A08800 -39.000 Invasion
172 93A08800 -53.625 53.625 / 39 = 1.375
125 93A08800 -53.625
110 93A08800 -53.625
13953 93A08800 -304.425 Normal Shot 304.425 / 221.4 = 1.375
2328 93A08800 -502.301 Headshot 502.301 / 386.1 = 1.375 Invasion 5B Test35% Invasion Debuff Invasion 5B Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 52.5%
8% Weapon Offensive Tech 2
10% Guerilla Equipment
54657 8EE9CF00 -212.400 Normal Shot 180 * (1+.08+.10) = 212.4
578 8EE9CF00 -350.460 Headshot 180 * (1+.08+.10) * (1.4+.25) = 350.46
6422 8E76B620 -39.000 Invasion
203 8E76B620 -59.475 59.475 / 39 = 1.525
172 8E76B620 -59.475
1656 8E76B620 -323.910 323.910 / 212.400 = 1.525
1047 8E76B620 -534.452 534.452 / 350.460 = 1.525 Asari Adept 40% Debuff + Invasion 5B 52.5%Asari Adept
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Annihilation Field 5A 20%
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35% Invasion Debuff Invasion 5B Invasion Debuff Not Displayed Correctly - Actual Multiplier is 52.5%
8% Weapon Offensive Tech 2
10% Guerilla Equipment
297 9680B980 -51.975 Anni Tick 55 * .5 * (1 + 0.15 + 0.2) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2) = 51.975
62 9680B980 -71.466 Anni Tick + Invasion 55 * .5 * (1 + 0.15 + 0.2) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.525) = 71.465625
750 9680B980 -212.4 Sidewinder(SW) 180 * (1 + 0.08 + .1) = 212.4
172 9680B980 -323.91 SW + Invasion 180 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.1) * (1 + 0.525) = 323.91
203 9680B980 -408.87 SW + Invasion + AF 180 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.1) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.525) = 408.87 holly crap! |
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Post by waltervolpatto on May 9, 2017 21:41:22 GMT
question: do two invasion from two different players stack? I don't believe so...
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Post by srkm00b on May 9, 2017 21:44:56 GMT
question: do two invasion from two different players stack? I don't believe so... Unsure, haven't had the chance to test. I'm not aware of any other abilities that stack with itself from multiple players |
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