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Post by JRandall0308 on May 23, 2017 12:12:17 GMT
Re: cloak mechanics changing --
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Post by peddroelm on May 23, 2017 15:50:13 GMT
some more 1.07 invasion tests
It seems the debuff properly spreads to ALL infected targets (what would be the point of the spread otherwise - ?? the damage is minor and applied very quickly)
Game files on 6A Virulence :
[5:03 PM] Hello_Isaac:
peddroelm 250 base damage and 2.5m base radius
[5:08 PM] Hello_Isaac: damage scales from 100% at center of explosion to 33% at the very edge
[5:09 PM] Hello_Isaac: so you lose 2.68% damage per 10cm away from the center
And tests results confirm 250 base affected by (own) debuff but NOT by power bonus or engineering gear. This means for it to guarantee to kill the victim mook on gold [2375 * 0.15 = 356.25] the perks from the passive that enhance the debuff can sometimes matter (support and support systems).
test numbers bellow
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Post by capn233 on May 23, 2017 22:11:01 GMT
Huntress Biotic Expert and Warrior There was a question on the from asking if Stealth Grid proc'd Biotic Expert. Took a quick look at Warrior and Expert, and it does not proc either one. Have to use Lance or Throw (biotics).
Amusingly, Throw impact will trigger Expert for the subsequent collision.
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Does Stealth Grid proc Biotic Warrior? -Lance procs Biotic Warrior normally when breaking Stealth Grid. Does Stealth Grid proc Biotic Expert? -Biotic Warrior proc'd by Throw Impact will affect Throw Collision. -Stealth Grid does not proc Biotic Expert.
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 9:02:47 GMT
1.07 krogan engineer & salarian Architect incinerate ET testsINCINERATE AND OVERLOAD SELF-BENEFIT FROM ElementalTech debuff (IMPACT + DOT). (works the same on salarian Architect) test numbers bellow
incinerate 3
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Post by lennybusker on May 24, 2017 9:12:20 GMT
1.07 krogan engineer incinerate ET tests test numbers bellow
incinerate 3
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words- demonstrating peddroelm's numbers:
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Post by WopGnop on May 24, 2017 9:24:04 GMT
I have a question: was the combo detonation damage of throw/shockwave brought back in line with others post the 1.06/1.07 patch or not?
I searched the thread and it seems they still do only 75/50%, please tell me I can't search
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 9:29:30 GMT
I have a question: was the combo detonation damage of throw/shockwave brought back in line with others post the 1.06/1.07 patch or not?
I searched the thread and it seems they still do only 75/50%, please tell me I can't search
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Post by WopGnop on May 24, 2017 13:12:20 GMT
I have a question: was the combo detonation damage of throw/shockwave brought back in line with others post the 1.06/1.07 patch or not?
I searched the thread and it seems they still do only 75/50%, please tell me I can't search
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Eww, I feared that, thank you as always.
Now if you excuse me I have to find a hole underground to hide myself into.
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Post by unclemonster on May 24, 2017 13:35:43 GMT
some more 1.07 invasion tests
It seems the debuff properly spreads to ALL infected targets (what would be the point of the spread otherwise - ?? the damage is minor and applied very quickly)
Game files on 6A Virulence :
[5:03 PM] Hello_Isaac:
peddroelm 250 base damage and 2.5m base radius
[5:08 PM] Hello_Isaac: damage scales from 100% at center of explosion to 33% at the very edge
[5:09 PM] Hello_Isaac: so you lose 2.68% damage per 10cm away from the center
And tests results confirm 250 base affected by (own) debuff but NOT by power bonus or engineering gear. This means for it to guarantee to kill the victim mook on gold [2375 * 0.15 = 356.25] the perks from the passive that enhance the debuff can sometimes matter (support and support systems).
Great to know, so 5A Support Systems becomes pretty useful I assume.
On Invasion: Is it better to take 5b (weaken) as opposed to 5A (epidemic) due to your discovery that weaken is actually 40% debuff instead of the listed 10%?
I currently have mine spec for epidemic.
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 13:47:05 GMT
some more 1.07 invasion tests
It seems the debuff properly spreads to ALL infected targets (what would be the point of the spread otherwise - ?? the damage is minor and applied very quickly)
Game files on 6A Virulence :
[5:03 PM] Hello_Isaac:
peddroelm 250 base damage and 2.5m base radius
[5:08 PM] Hello_Isaac: damage scales from 100% at center of explosion to 33% at the very edge
[5:09 PM] Hello_Isaac: so you lose 2.68% damage per 10cm away from the center
And tests results confirm 250 base affected by (own) debuff but NOT by power bonus or engineering gear. This means for it to guarantee to kill the victim mook on gold [2375 * 0.15 = 356.25] the perks from the passive that enhance the debuff can sometimes matter (support and support systems).
Great to know, so 5A Support Systems becomes pretty useful I assume.
On Invasion: Is it better to take 5b (weaken) as opposed to 5A (epidemic) due to your discovery that weaken is actually 40% debuff instead of the listed 10%?
I currently have mine spec for epidemic.
weaken is not 40% debuff alone. The 10% adds to the 30% base and the sum is later modified by support and support system perks.
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Post by unclemonster on May 24, 2017 13:58:58 GMT
Great to know, so 5A Support Systems becomes pretty useful I assume.
On Invasion: Is it better to take 5b (weaken) as opposed to 5A (epidemic) due to your discovery that weaken is actually 40% debuff instead of the listed 10%?
I currently have mine spec for epidemic.
weaken is not 40% debuff alone. The 10% adds to the 30% base and the sum is later modified by support and support system perks.
Ahh...thank you very much for clarifying.
So does this make the choice difficult or is weaken still the best route?
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Post by TheThirdRace on May 24, 2017 14:25:54 GMT
Great to know, so 5A Support Systems becomes pretty useful I assume.
On Invasion: Is it better to take 5b (weaken) as opposed to 5A (epidemic) due to your discovery that weaken is actually 40% debuff instead of the listed 10%?
I currently have mine spec for epidemic.
weaken is not 40% debuff alone. The 10% adds to the 30% base and the sum is later modified by support and support system perks.
Can you clarify this please. It's not making sense with your previous post:
bsn.boards.net/post/650722 From what I could gather, if Invasion 1 is 37.5% and Invasion 5b has a total of 52.5% debuff, it means that the bonus from 5b is 40% or in other words 37.5% * (1 +0.4) = 52.5%.
I don't get at all how you could arrive at Invasion 5b is 52.5% without taking into account Invasion 1 37.5%. Why is this bonus would act completely different than any other bonuses?
What don't I understand?
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
weaken is not 40% debuff alone. The 10% adds to the 30% base and the sum is later modified by support and support system perks.
Ahh...thank you very much for clarifying.
So does this make the choice difficult or is weaken still the best route?
hard to say - probably down to playtesting - preference. I' leaning towards extra spread atm.
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 14:50:19 GMT
weaken is not 40% debuff alone. The 10% adds to the 30% base and the sum is later modified by support and support system perks.
Can you clarify this please. It's not making sense with your previous post:
bsn.boards.net/post/650722 From what I could gather, if Invasion 1 is 37.5% and Invasion 5b has a total of 52.5% debuff, it means that the bonus from 5b is 40% or in other words 37.5% * (1 +0.4) = 52.5%.
I don't get at all how you could arrive at Invasion 5b is 52.5% without taking into account Invasion 1 37.5%. Why is this bonus would act completely different than any other bonuses?
What don't I understand?
they stealth changed invasion since then. Consider only the 1.07 posts ..
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 15:42:44 GMT
just a heads up.
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Post by varicite on May 24, 2017 16:12:34 GMT
I have a question: was the combo detonation damage of throw/shockwave brought back in line with others post the 1.06/1.07 patch or not?
I searched the thread and it seems they still do only 75/50%, please tell me I can't search
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Is that 75% w/ the +30% combo detonation damage from Throw 6b?
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Post by peddroelm on May 24, 2017 16:18:27 GMT
some good news for Elemental Tech users.
The player having ET can benefit from having it triggered on the enemies by other players that don't have ET.
In our successful test Engineer with lvl 1 cryo beam enabled ET for other engineer that had ET (used overload. )
HP, 82046890, 234, 94528AD0, 825.000, 762.000, 676.950, -85.050 // cryo sustained
HP, 82047093, 203, 94541760, 825.000, 762.000, 676.950, -85.050
HP, 82048359, 1266, 94541760, 825.000, 676.950, 339.450, -337.500 // overload with ET buff
250 * 1.35 =337.5
Flamer however did not. Will need to compile a list of powers that activate ET for all ET users in squad...
ET overload
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Post by lennybusker on May 24, 2017 16:58:59 GMT
Is that 75% w/ the +30% combo detonation damage from Throw 6b?
Base 75%, it's modified multiplicatively by the 30% to get 97.5%.
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Post by varicite on May 24, 2017 16:59:52 GMT
Is that 75% w/ the +30% combo detonation damage from Throw 6b?
Base 75%, it's modified multiplicatively by the 30% to get 97.5%.
Gotcha, that's what I thought. Thank you. : )
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Post by JRandall0308 on May 24, 2017 17:11:27 GMT
some good news for Elemental Tech users.
The player having ET can benefit from having it triggered on the enemies by other players that don't have ET.
In our successful test Engineer with lvl 1 cryo enabled ET for other engineer that had ET (used overload. )
Flamer however did not. Will need to compile a list of powers that activate ET for all ET users in squad...
Jeezus is there anything in this game that works consistently?
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Post by KLGChaos on May 25, 2017 10:25:15 GMT
1.07 krogan engineer & salarian Architect incinerate ET testsINCINERATE AND OVERLOAD SELF-BENEFIT FROM ElementalTech debuff (IMPACT + DOT). (works the same on salarian Architect) test numbers bellow
incinerate 3
So basically, take Double Incinerate, fire it and then leave the target alone to burn to death. Good to know.
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Post by peddroelm on May 25, 2017 10:40:16 GMT
1.07 incendiary ammo mechanics
changes the weapon's damage type into fire (characters with Elemental Tech debuff perk get *1.35 to weapon damage vs targets that have ET debuff activated on by suitable powers from any player/construct in squad)
provides 25 fire damage per bullet/pellet/projectile impacting target stack-able and applied as 5 second duration DOT twice per second.
Thus the maximum incendiary ammo stacked DOT damage is achieved after 5 seconds of sustained fire on target (assuming clip/magazine capacity to do so). Higher weapon rate of fire, higher incendiary ammo DOT stack limit. (incinerate DOT tick applied at time T will consider the number of bullets/etc impacting target in the time window [T-5 seconds, T] )
the incendiary ammo DOT ticks counts towards advancing and sustaining the "sustained fire" debuff (good for keeping this debuff up while reloading)
detonating the fire COMBO CLEARS the incendiary AMMO DOT and replaces it with FIRE COMBO DOT
incinerate power's DOT can be set up for long duration (~10s ) over which it will keep ET activated on target (DOT AND DEBUFF CANCELED IF DETONATED) providing the *1.35 bonus for weapon damage (if using ammo consumable) and incendiary ammo DOT.
incendiary ammo DOT has the fallowing multipliers vs defenses *1 vs health; *0 vs shields; *1.25 vs armor
related INCINERATE DOT - clears previous incinerate DOTs on target
related double incinerate can hit the same target with the impact component twice, DOT will only be applied once (see above)
test numbers
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Post by N7Mith on May 25, 2017 13:16:52 GMT
1.07 incendiary ammo mechanics
Nice! Can you test cryo to see about possible armor mitigation or debuff mechanics?
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Post by peddroelm on May 25, 2017 13:21:26 GMT
1.07 incendiary ammo mechanics
Nice! Can you test cryo to see about possible armor mitigation or debuff mechanics?
I think
srkm00b did a lot of cryo ammo tests while testing ET and cryo beam 6a explosion chain .. Not a lot of room left for surprises ..
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Post by unclemonster on May 25, 2017 14:00:50 GMT
1.07 incendiary ammo mechanics
changes the weapon's damage type into fire (characters with Elemental Tech debuff perk get *1.35 to weapon damage vs targets that have ET debuff activated on by suitable powers from any player/construct in squad)
provides 25 fire damage per bullet/pellet/projectile impacting target stack-able and applied as 5 second duration DOT twice per second.
Thus the maximum incendiary ammo stacked DOT damage is achieved after 5 seconds of sustained fire on target (assuming clip/magazine capacity to do so). Higher weapon rate of fire, higher incendiary ammo DOT stack limit. (incinerate DOT tick applied at time T will consider the number of bullets/etc impacting target in the time window [T-0.5 seconds, T] )
the incendiary ammo DOT ticks counts towards advancing and sustaining the "sustained fire" debuff (good for keeping this debuff up while reloading)
detonating the fire COMBO CLEARS the incendiary AMMO DOT and replaces it with FIRE COMBO DOT
incinerate power's DOT can be set up for long duration (~10s ) over which it will keep ET activated on target (DOT AND DEBUFF CANCELED IF DETONATED) providing the *1.35 bonus for weapon damage (if using ammo consumable) and incendiary ammo DOT.
incendiary ammo DOT has the fallowing multipliers vs defenses *1 vs health; *0 vs shields; *1.25 vs armor
related INCINERATE DOT - clears previous incinerate DOTs on target
related double incinerate can hit the same target with the impact component twice, DOT will only be applied once (see above)
test numbers
Wow! no wonder fire ammo seems to be so great on the Rozerad/Hurricane w/extended clip...
