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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 18:41:56 GMT Kenny Bania, Sparkz, and 1 more like this

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Post by peddroelm on Jul 10, 2017 18:41:56 GMT

The F is crushing grip ?

.. How can anyone pass on expose ? Lift and shoot the floating fishes ..
Seriously 6a won't lift so 5a SHOULD (not tested) not work until you pull again vs 0 shield and get the lift ..

Are you claiming 5a 6a will lift targets with non zero shield amounts ?

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 19:05:02 GMT

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Post by megawug on Jul 10, 2017 19:05:02 GMT

On shielded targets, if 6a strips shields, it seems that 5a primes (and disables targets) reliably, while 5b does not (without a second pull). Maybe this changed from 1.08 to 1.09, but that's why I'm asking, as I can't be sure in the heat of battle. My pwnytail needs to know.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 19:19:02 GMT

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Post by Kenny Bania on Jul 10, 2017 19:19:02 GMT

Jul 10, 2017 18:41:56 GMT peddroelm said:

The F is crushing grip ? .. How can anyone pass on expose ? Lift and shoot the floating fishes ..
Seriously 6a won't lift so 5a SHOULD (not tested) not work until you pull again vs 0 shield and get the lift ..

Are you claiming 5a 6a will lift targets with non zero shield amounts ?

Loooooool. So true.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 19:39:21 GMT peddroelm likes this

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Post by JulianVerse on Jul 10, 2017 19:39:21 GMT

Jul 10, 2017 18:29:54 GMT megawug said:

peddroelm, I have a question for you. For Pull anti-shield (6A), if enemy shields are successfully stripped, does crushing grip (5A) work as expected? Also, from trying 5A vs. 5B (Expose), it seems 5A more reliably primes than 5B after shields are stripped. Maybe my imagination or something to do with shield-gating perhaps?

Based on what I've seen in my own gameplay, and not any specific knowledge of the code or any detailed testing, I can say a couple things I've noticed.

I use expose/anti-shield for this character. If you strip the last of a health/shield enemy's shields, they will not be pulled upwards, but will just fall over on their face and lay there for the normal pull duration. They will be primed as well. It seems, however, that the game doesn't recognize the shield gate as being broken, as when I hit them with shockwave, next to no damage is done by the combination of the power and detonation. If I shoot them once, then use shockwave, it seems to do the normal amount of damage (i.e. they die on bronze, silver, and gold). So it seems like the one bullet shot gets past the shield gate and then allows everything to function normally. As long as they fall over, I've never had a detonation not occur. It's a little annoying, but not too horrible.

Hopefully someone can do some better tests to back that up, or maybe they'll just fix it.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 21:24:19 GMT

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Post by konfeta on Jul 10, 2017 21:24:19 GMT

As a side note on biotics, I did a quick eyeball test on Singularity rank 6 explosion. Rank 20 human adept, no other bonuses. Biotic power damage clearly boosts Singularity damage.

Exploding singularity did about 80% of a shielded observer's shields, so +100% shield damage evolution affects the explosion. 700 * 1.4 * 2 = 1960, Gold Observers have 2375 shields.

Exploding singularity did about 65% of an shielded observer's health, so +100% damage in rank 3 does not affect the explosion (which matches the description of rank 3). 700 * 1.4 = 980, Gold Observers have 1425 health.

Looking at the enemy spreadsheet, that means anti-shield singularity talent has real use to one shot shields on platinum against not-Destroyer type enemies. The highest power damage the human adept can have I think is is 2.6x (30% from equipment, 90% from offensive biotic tree, 40% from veterancy), so 700 * 2.6 = 1820 * 2 = 3640. Highest enemy non-destroyer shields are ~3800, which a single tic of singularity's DoT component will easily help reach.

I don't think singularity can boost its own explosion via exposure?

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 21:25:45 GMT unclemonster likes this

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Post by peddroelm on Jul 10, 2017 21:25:45 GMT

Jul 10, 2017 21:24:19 GMT konfeta said:

As a side note on biotics, I did a quick eyeball test on Singularity rank 6 explosion. Rank 20 human adept, no other bonuses. Biotic power damage clearly boosts Singularity damage.

Exploding singularity did about 80% of a shielded observer's shields, so +100% shield damage evolution affects the explosion. 700 * 1.4 * 2 = 1960, Gold Observers have 2375 shields.

Exploding singularity did about 65% of an shielded observer's health, so +100% damage in rank 3 does not affect the explosion (which matches the description of rank 3). 700 * 1.4 = 980, Gold Observers have 1425 health.

already tested in thread for the previous base value .. It is indeed quite monstrous in 1.09

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 10, 2017 21:30:36 GMT

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Post by konfeta on Jul 10, 2017 21:30:36 GMT

My searchfu sucks. Does singularity explosion self benefit from exposure?

Ah, found it, it doesn't. Shame.

Still, as monstrous as that number looks, it's on a 20 second base cooldown, and anti-shield competes with 40% recharge. Not quite there to match combat explosive powers to be the biotic grenade due to inability to spam it. To be fair, it's also a great CC power with the 20% damage debuff possible, so I won't complain that much on that front.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 11, 2017 5:26:33 GMT

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Post by Kenny Bania on Jul 11, 2017 5:26:33 GMT

Jul 11, 2017 2:35:23 GMT konfeta said:

As far as I can tell, early detonation does nothing for singularity cooldown.

That was my experience also. I used ro detonate it early more often than not also, and it always felt the same.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 12, 2017 0:59:33 GMT Evil, unclemonster, and 2 more like this

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Post by lennybusker on Jul 12, 2017 0:59:33 GMT

Just a reminder that Siphon very much does work on Shield damage. I've seen a couple people here and there say it doesn't. One thing to note is with a heavy hitter weapon and enemy with low shields, you'll hit shield gate and not bleed through to HP, resulting in very little damage done and thus very little HP gained. But it does work.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 12, 2017 6:34:24 GMT iteron_MkV, unclemonster, and 1 more like this

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1.09 Salarian Architect tests:

Remnant VI
- does NOT benefit from Elemental Tech Debuff ALL (except the fire explosion when detonating incinerate via 6a)
- BUG: BROKEN vsArmor and vsShield from 6b and from passive (NO EFFECT)
- as a result of the above still pathetic beam DPS in all situations [either ignore Glick or max it]
- 6b will ENABLE ET debuff DURING THE VI's GUN BURSTs for gun with ammo damage and for barricade DOT ..
- 6a AOE detonator BENEFITS from passive 4b combo damage AND from veteran extra combo damage (detonating incinerate gets ET bonus, detonating Tech Burst from disruptor or barricade doesn't ..) (gold fire explosion vs armor 680 * 1.5 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.4) * 1.35 = 2616.3 .. WOW this combo gets ET debuff) . We're looking at ~6k damage vs gold armored target in short time from incinerate + VI 6a detonation combo .. [BOTH INCINERATE AND VI 6a rockets have LONG cooldown].
- fire cycle:
without 6a: is 11 shot bursts (~1 second duration) ~1 second between bursts ..1 second burst | 1 second pause | repeat ...
with 6a: 1 second burst | 1 second pause | 1 second burst | 1 second pause | AOE detonating rocket | 2 seconds pause | repeat. It replaces every third burst with a rocket .. You can order it to switch targets and it will comply after finishing the current burst attack ..

Barricade 6b DOT (same as before)
- BENEFITS FROM ET debuff (trigger with incinerate DOT or VI 6b)
- BENEFITS FROM vsShield and vsArmor (in skill and from passive)
(as a result with vsArmor evo in passive Incinerated targets tend to melt rather fast inside electrified barricade ..)

On an unrelated note DISRUPTOR AMMO ALLOWS REEGAR TO HIT WEAKSPOTS ...

test numbers bellow

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hurricane 2 base .. 0.21 WD addon
cooldown gear with 0.1 WD

remnant vi base 100 DPS + 0.4 + 0.8 beam
450 AOE detonating missile
125 DPS baricade 6b electic ; +1 vs shields +0.15 vs syntetics
incinerate 350 + 45 DPS DOT; +0.6 vs armor; +0.35 all damage; +0.5 DOT damage and duration, +0.65 vs armor; 6a detonator

offensive tech 0.35 ET, 0.08 WD ; +0.4 vs armor, 0.2 TECH CONSTUCT DAMAGE, 0.25 PD, 0.5 combo damage

0.4 PD ; 0.4 combo veteran

incinerate vs health
HP, 2306356765, 28797, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 1430.000, -945.000
HP, 2306357265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306357765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306358265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306358765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306359265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306359765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306360265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306360765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306361265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306361765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306362265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306362765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306363265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306363765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306364265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306364765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306365265, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938
HP, 2306365765, 500, 93320080, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2299.063, -75.938

HP, 2306768093, 1234, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7060.000, -540.000

HP, 2306769953, 1860, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770031, 78, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770125, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770218, 93, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770328, 110, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770421, 93, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770531, 110, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770625, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770718, 93, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770828, 110, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306770921, 93, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000

HP, 2306771984, 1063, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772062, 78, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772156, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772250, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772359, 109, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772453, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772562, 109, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772656, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772765, 109, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772859, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2306772953, 94, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000

HP, 2306774187, 1234, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7060.000, -540.000

450 * 1.2 = 540 no extra 1.4 vs armor for rocket
15 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.8 + 0.2) = 36 ; no extra 1.4 vs armor for beam

HP, 2307243031, 375, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 5095.750, -2504.250 // incinerate impact
HP, 2307243531, 500, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7398.766, -201.234 // incinerate dot tick
HP, 2307243890, 359, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7060.000, -540.000
// drone roket
HP, 2307243906, 16, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 4983.700, -2616.300
// FE gold vs armor
HP, 2307244390, 484, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7563.250, -36.750
// FE gold DOT tick
HP, 2307244921, 531, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7563.250, -36.750
HP, 2307245406, 485, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7563.250, -36.750
HP, 2307245734, 328, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000

NO ET bonus for VI gun damage..

350 * (1 + 0.35 + 0.4 + 0.25) * (1 + 0.6 + 0.65 + 0.4) * 1.35 = 2504.25
(45 / 2) * (1 + 0.35 + 0.4 + 0.25 + 0.5) * (1 + 0.6 + 0.65 + 0.4) * 1.35 = 201.234375
450 * 1.2 = 540 // NO ET
680 * 1.5 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.4) * 1.35 = 2616.3 .. WOW combo gets ET debuff

MAYBE 6b turret get ET ??

// barrier + combo TB
HP, 2308151578, 141, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500 // barrier - no ET (125 / 2) * 1.4 = 87.5
HP, 2308152109, 531, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2308152640, 531, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2308152671, 31, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7060.000, -540.000 // rocket
HP, 2308152687, 16, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 6660.906, -939.094
// Tech burst
HP, 2308153171, 484, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2308153281, 110, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7575.476, -24.524 // TB DOT
HP, 2308153703, 422, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2308153781, 78, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7575.476, -24.524
HP, 2308154250, 469, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2308154281, 31, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7575.476, -24.524
HP, 2308154546, 265, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000
HP, 2308154609, 63, 98A97D00, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7564.000, -36.000

494 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.4) = 938.6 //near

//////////////
respec VI 6b 0.5 beam damage, 0.75 shield damage; 0.15 syntetic

HP, 2308902281, 94, 90A9F280, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2328.500, -46.500
HP, 2308902390, 109, 90A9F280, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2328.500, -46.500
HP, 2308902484, 94, 90A9F280, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2328.500, -46.500
HP, 2308902593, 109, 90A9F280, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2328.500, -46.500
HP, 2308902687, 94, 90A9F280, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2328.500, -46.500

15 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.8 + 0.2 + 0.5 + 0.15) = 45.75 // ok vs assembler health

NO ET for 6b, NO VS ARMOR

NO EXTRA DAMAGE VS SHIELDS
SH, 2309408359, 94, 909777B0, 2375.000, 488.001, 444.501, -43.500
SH, 2309408453, 94, 909777B0, 2375.000, 444.501, 401.001, -43.500
SH, 2309408562, 109, 909777B0, 2375.000, 401.001, 357.501, -43.500
SH, 2309408656, 94, 909777B0, 2375.000, 357.501, 314.001, -43.500
SH, 2309408765, 109, 909777B0, 2375.000, 314.001, 270.501, -43.500
SH, 2309408859, 94, 909777B0, 2375.000, 270.501, 227.001, -43.500
SH, 2309409921, 1062, 909777B0, 2375.000, 227.001, 183.501, -43.500
SH, 2309410000, 79, 909777B0, 2375.000, 183.501, 140.001, -43.500
SH, 2309410109, 109, 909777B0, 2375.000, 140.001, 96.501, -43.500
SH, 2309410203, 94, 909777B0, 2375.000, 96.501, 53.001, -43.500
SH, 2309410296, 93, 909777B0, 2375.000, 53.001, 9.501, -43.500

// VI 6b triggers ET for barricade DOT - AND presumably for player ammo !!!
HP, 2309834968, 93, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309835078, 110, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7481.875, -118.125
HP, 2309835078, 0, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309835171, 93, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309835609, 438, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7481.875, -118.125
HP, 2309836140, 531, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7512.500, -87.500
HP, 2309836234, 94, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309836312, 78, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309836406, 94, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309836515, 109, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309836609, 94, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7553.500, -46.500
HP, 2309836671, 62, 991E8EF0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7481.875, -118.125

test with ammo damage

SH, 1036000, 63, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 1372.365, 1144.729, -227.635 // 197.94400 * 1.15 = 227.6356
SH, 1036093, 93, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 1144.729, 917.094, -227.635
SH, 1036203, 110, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 917.094, 719.150, -197.944
SH, 1036296, 93, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 719.150, 521.207, -197.944
SH, 1036406, 110, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 521.207, 323.263, -197.944
SH, 1042062, 5656, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 323.263, 95.628, -227.635
SH, 1042125, 63, 9ABB4560, 1600.000, 95.628, 0.000, -95.628
HP, 1042234, 109, 9ABB4560, 960.000, 960.000, 762.056, -197.944 // 172.12500 * 1.15 = 197.94
HP, 1042328, 94, 9ABB4560, 960.000, 762.056, 589.931, -172.125 //
HP, 1042437, 109, 9ABB4560, 960.000, 589.931, 417.806, -172.125

172.12500 * 1.15 * 1.15 = 227.6353

disruptor reegar CAN hit weakspots

HP, 1442031, 63, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1427.875, -172.125
HP, 1444031, 2000, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1402.056, -197.944
HP, 1445640, 1609, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1402.056, -197.944
HP, 1445703, 63, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1427.875, -172.125
HP, 1447234, 1531, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1402.056, -197.944
HP, 1449078, 1844, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1402.056, -197.944
HP, 1449140, 62, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1402.056, -197.944

// glick 6b enable ET (for ammo weapon for example)
HP, 1497906, 94, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1553.500, -46.500
HP, 1497968, 62, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1332.776, -267.224
HP, 1498015, 47, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1553.500, -46.500
HP, 1498046, 31, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1332.776, -267.224
HP, 1498140, 94, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1367.631, -232.369
HP, 1498250, 110, 9A545C10, 1600.000, 1600.000, 1367.631, -232.369

172.12500 * 1.35 =232.36
172.12500 * 1.15 * 1.35 = 267.2240

Last Edit: Jul 12, 2017 6:45:34 GMT by peddroelm

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Post by peddroelm on Jul 12, 2017 10:06:23 GMT

1.09 Assault turret and cryo beam re-tests

turret's gun fires at ~ Works out to an equivalent 120 RPM (2 shots per second - GREATEST WEAKNESS OF THE CRYO TURRET - takes EONS TO PRIME A SINGLE ENEMY !!!) ..
both 6a and 6b self benefit from ET.

vsShield/Armor in passive doesn't apply to gun damage - but will apply to flamer sustained and DOT damage.

casting damage 100
death damage benefits from ET (its small regardless)
6b 9 sustained damage ticks ~3 second duration and then 4 seconds DOT (applied twice per second) ..
HP, 9226078, 735, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 673.750, -110.000 // (275 / 3) * 1.2 = 110
HP, 9226421, 343, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500 // self triggers ET 110 * 1.35 = 148.5
HP, 9226750, 329, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9227078, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
..
HP, 9229234, 234, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350 // (35 / 2) * 1.2 * 1.35 = 28.35

cryo beam's armor debuff still 0.5 not 1. Cryo beam briefly self triggers ET vs shields (every other bullet) ..

cryo beam radius perk still not fixed (yay)

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test numbers
HP, 7473328, 5438, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7473500, 172, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7473968, 468, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7474109, 141, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7475609, 1500, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7475781, 172, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7476234, 453, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7476406, 172, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7477562, 1156, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7477750, 188, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7478203, 453, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7478375, 172, 8DA8EEB0, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7479671, 1296, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7479843, 172, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7480296, 453, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7480484, 188, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7481640, 1156, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7481796, 156, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7482265, 469, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7482437, 172, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7483656, 1219, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7483781, 125, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7484250, 469, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7484421, 171, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200
HP, 7485593, 1172, 982DD240, 783.750, 783.750, 740.550, -43.200

36 * 1.2 = 43.2

fire pattern ? 1,2 0.5 seconds 1,2 1+seconds repeat .. Works out to an equivalent 120 RPM (2 shots per second)

SH, 8019109, 172, 987FD930, 825.000, 191.400, 133.800, -57.600
SH, 8020281, 1172, 987FD930, 825.000, 133.800, 76.200, -57.600
SH, 8020437, 156, 987FD930, 825.000, 76.200, 18.600, -57.600
SH, 8020906, 469, 987FD930, 825.000, 18.600, 0.000, -18.600
HP, 8021078, 172, 987FD930, 495.000, 495.000, 437.400, -57.600
HP, 8022250, 1172, 987FD930, 495.000, 495.000, 437.400, -57.600
HP, 8022406, 156, 987FD930, 495.000, 495.000, 437.400, -57.600
HP, 8022875, 469, 987FD930, 495.000, 495.000, 437.400, -57.600

does not benefit from vs shield in passive
36 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.4) = 57.6

doe not benefit from ET at this stage
HP, 8211062, 16, 97F72950, 825.000, 825.000, 325.000, -500.000
HP, 8211078, 16, 90507B60, 600.000, 600.000, 570.062, -29.938
SH, 8211125, 47, 987FD930, 825.000, 479.400, 421.800, -57.600

flame thrower:
275
35 DOT
*1.6 vs armor

vs tutorial health
HP, 9226078, 735, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 673.750, -110.000 // (275 / 3) * 1.2 = 110
HP, 9226421, 343, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500 // self triggers ET 110 * 1.35 = 148.5
HP, 9226750, 329, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9227078, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9227406, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9227734, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9228062, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9228406, 344, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9228734, 328, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9228828, 94, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 9229000, 172, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 9229234, 234, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350 // (35 / 2) * 1.2 * 1.35 = 28.35
HP, 9229468, 234, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 9229625, 157, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 9229734, 109, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350 // DOT maitains ET
HP, 9230234, 500, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 9230734, 500, 8D56D0B0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350

flame turret can shot tagets standing behind cover but flamer will miss

HP, 9956718, 218, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 189.750, -594.000 // overload 440 * 1.35
HP, 9956734, 16, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 114.690, -669.060 // bronze FE vs health 354 * 1.4 * 1.35 benefit ET
HP, 9956812, 78, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 9957156, 344, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500

// can also detonate during DOT - will remove the DOT
HP, 10106937, 109, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10107437, 500, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10107703, 266, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 189.750, -594.000
HP, 10107718, 15, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 114.690, -669.060 // ET ok for FE
HP, 10108000, 282, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10108171, 171, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10108203, 32, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 766.875, -16.875 // bronze FE DOT
HP, 10108640, 437, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10108718, 78, 98B30E00, 783.750, 783.750, 766.875, -16.875

HP, 10463171, 12390, 98C6D970, 400.000, 500.000, 400.000, -100.000 // casting turret damage
HP, 10465562, 2391, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 673.750, -110.000
HP, 10465906, 344, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10466234, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10466562, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10466906, 344, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10467234, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10467562, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10467906, 344, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10468234, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 635.250, -148.500
HP, 10468406, 172, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10468562, 156, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10468734, 172, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10469031, 297, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10469203, 172, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 726.150, -57.600
HP, 10469234, 31, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10469734, 500, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10470234, 500, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10470406, 172, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 243.750, -540.000 // suicide turret benefits from ET
HP, 10470734, 328, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10471234, 500, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10471734, 500, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350
HP, 10472234, 500, 97F186F0, 783.750, 783.750, 755.400, -28.350

1.3k sustained damage vs health in under 3 seconds
28.35 * 8 = 226.8 DOT amount is pathetic but .. keeps target fire primed and under ET debuff ..

4 second DOT duration

10577234 - 10570500 ~ 7 seconds between flamer casts (12 gun shots during the period )

vs shields benefits from passive vs shield
SH, 11395750, 469, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 2144.600, 1990.600, -154.000 // 110 * 1.4 = 154- no ET since no prime
SH, 11396078, 328, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1990.600, 1836.600, -154.000
SH, 11396421, 343, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1836.600, 1682.600, -154.000
SH, 11396750, 329, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1682.600, 1528.600, -154.000
SH, 11397078, 328, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1528.600, 1374.600, -154.000
SH, 11397421, 343, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1374.600, 1220.600, -154.000
SH, 11397750, 329, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1220.600, 1066.600, -154.000
SH, 11398078, 328, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 1066.600, 912.600, -154.000
SH, 11398421, 343, 941B4C30, 2375.000, 912.600, 758.600, -154.000

vs armor

HP, 11579656, 391, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7424.000, -176.000 // 110 * 1.6 = 176
HP, 11579984, 328, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600 // ET 110 * 1.6 * 1.35 = 237.6
HP, 11580328, 344, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11580656, 328, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11580984, 328, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11581328, 344, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11581656, 328, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11582000, 344, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600
HP, 11582328, 328, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7362.400, -237.600

HP, 11583328, 110, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7554.640, -45.360 // DOT
HP, 11583843, 515, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7554.640, -45.360
HP, 11584328, 485, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7554.640, -45.360

HP, 12201375, 407, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7554.640, -45.360 // T flamer DOT
HP, 12201437, 62, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7542.400, -57.600 // turret gun
HP, 12201515, 78, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 6925.000, -675.000 // OVERload
HP, 12201531, 16, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 5672.200, -1927.800 // gold FE vs armor 680 * 1.5 * 1.4 * 1.35 = 1927.8 with ET
HP, 12201609, 78, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7542.400, -57.600
HP, 12202015, 406, 9BC302B0, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7550.388, -49.612

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respec cryo mode
hurricane 2, 0.21 WD gear

cryo beam 150 /5 ; 0.5 armor debuff 0.3; 4a 0.5 damage ; radius 150/4; snap freeze
turret: 36 0.4 , omni link vs 0.6 gun damage , 0.6 gun damage ; +1 ?? armor debuff
overload 200/300 0.25 0.35 damage 1 + 1.25 + 0.6 vs shields +
passive 50 PD, 0.08 WD, 0.2 Tech Construc Damage, 0.2 effect durations, 0.4 vs shields
0.3 engineer gear
0.4 veteran PD

(150 / 4) * (1 + 0.3 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.3) * 1.35 = 151.875

HP, 13764468, 20453, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1075.000, -112.500
HP, 13764640, 172, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875 // 112.5 * 1.35 = 151.875
HP, 13764875, 235, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875
HP, 13765062, 187, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875
HP, 13765265, 203, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875
HP, 13765468, 203, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875
HP, 13765671, 203, 9B5685D0, 1187.500, 1187.500, 1035.625, -151.875

SH, 14302625, 6844, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2375.000, 555.000, -1820.000 // uncharged overload
HP, 14326593, 23968, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 5453.828, 4833.828, -620.000 // uncharged overload

// weird cryo turret vs shields
SH, 14533093, 2265, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2375.000, 2295.800, -79.200
SH, 14533250, 157, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2295.800, 2188.880, -106.920
SH, 14533718, 468, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2188.880, 2109.680, -79.200
SH, 14533890, 172, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2109.680, 2002.760, -106.920
SH, 14535046, 1156, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 2002.760, 1923.560, -79.200
SH, 14535218, 172, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 1923.560, 1816.640, -106.920
SH, 14535687, 469, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 1816.640, 1737.440, -79.200
SH, 14535875, 188, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 1737.440, 1630.520, -106.920
SH, 14537062, 1187, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 1630.520, 1551.320, -79.200
SH, 14537218, 156, 83EA5350, 2375.000, 1551.320, 1444.400, -106.920

HP, 14463093, 468, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14463265, 172, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14464421, 1156, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14464593, 172, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14465062, 469, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14465234, 172, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14466390, 1156, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14466562, 172, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14467031, 469, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920
HP, 14467203, 172, 83EA5350, 1425.000, 1425.000, 1318.080, -106.920

36 * (1 + 0.4 + 0.6 + 0.2) * 1.35 = 106.92

cryo turret BRIEFLY activates ET even vs shields (will benefit every other cryo turret bullet)

HP, 14868140, 62, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7492.290, -107.710 // hurri vs armor debufed by cryo turret 1.5
HP, 14868218, 78, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7492.290, -107.710
HP, 14868265, 47, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7492.290, -107.710
HP, 14868343, 78, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7492.290, -107.710 // (66 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.21) * 1.5) - 20 = 107.71

HP, 14929062, 141, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7534.860, -65.140 // no debuff
HP, 14929187, 125, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7534.860, -65.140
HP, 14929265, 78, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7534.860, -65.140
HP, 14929328, 63, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7534.860, -65.140
HP, 14929390, 62, 9B5F6470, 7600.000, 7600.000, 7534.860, -65.140 // (66 * (1 + 0.08 + 0.21)) - 20 = 65.14

0.5 from cryo beam and 0.5 from cryo turret do no stack

Last Edit: Jul 12, 2017 12:58:02 GMT by peddroelm

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Jul 12, 2017 10:06:23 GMT peddroelm said:

cryo beam's armor debuff still 0.5 not 1.

Did the armor debuff ever work at 1(00%)? i.e. is this a new bug or an old bug?

cryo beam range perk still not fixed (yay)

What does "range perk" mean in context of cryo beam? It already seems to have almost unlimited range.

cryo turret BRIEFLY activates ET even vs shields (will benefit every other cryo turret bullet)

(from the detailed numbers)

Does this mean: while you're sustaining Cryo Beam you do get the Elemental Tech enemy debuff, but only about half the time?

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Jul 12, 2017 12:37:10 GMT JRandall0308 said:

Did the armor debuff ever work at 1(00%)? i.e. is this a new bug or an old bug?

old bug

Jul 12, 2017 12:37:10 GMT JRandall0308 said:

What does "range perk" mean in context of cryo beam? It already seems to have almost unlimited range.

I've misspelled : "radius" - provides undocumented *1.25 boost to cryo beam damage.. (very significant)

Jul 12, 2017 12:37:10 GMT JRandall0308 said:

Does this mean: while you're sustaining Cryo Beam you do get the Elemental Tech enemy debuff, but only about half the time?

cryo beam 100% ET.
Post was about cryo turret vs shields (nothing else freezes shields in MEA) but the cryo turret gets the ET bonus every second bullet vs shields (fires in 2 bullet bursts - first bullet briefly activates ET - long enough for the second bullet to benefit )

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Post by konfeta on Jul 13, 2017 3:47:01 GMT

So cryoturret is 216 DPS on human engineer without taking ET into account. Still garbage. That's like ~10 seconds for it to kill a simple raider with the said ET buff.

If flamer turret shoots the flame concurrently to bullets, that's ~173 bullet DPS + 275 * 1.2 fire DPS for a combined 503 DPS, which is actually respectable and decent in that it will kill dogs and redbar flankers in a more reasonable time frame of 4-5 seconds.

Problem is, it interferes with Cryobeam on Humiegineers, and Insurgent has much better way to spend points.

That just leaves the Krogan Engineer if it wants to sacrifice Rage (which isn't that bad for Gold now that Rage heal is baseline and procs off spell kills). Not sure if that is worth it still, however....

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1.09 they fixed Overload 6b Maximum Charge ; 0.3 Damage Applies even to uncharged damage.

uncharged
HP, 9529328, 47813, 97825880, 1600.000, 1600.000, 980.000, -620.000
200 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.35 + 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.3 + 0.3) = 620

charged
HP, 9481015, 22640, 8BE2B7B0, 1520.000, 1520.000, 590.000, -930.000
HP, 9481187, 172, 97825880, 1600.000, 1600.000, 670.000, -930.000
HP, 9481343, 156, 97959A20, 1600.000, 1600.000, 670.000, -930.000
HP, 9481515, 172, 93DD3300, 1520.000, 1520.000, 590.000, -930.000
300 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.35 + 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.3 + 0.3) = 930

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Jul 13, 2017 3:56:52 GMT peddroelm said:

flame turret alternates flaming with bullets .. not concurrently

Very badly though. Flaming shields then shooting health. :banghead:

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Post by konfeta on Jul 13, 2017 15:14:12 GMT

Dang. I was hoping the veterancy bonuses and the 6B change would let you one shot all basic shields in gold with a full chain build, but it caps out at 2092.5 And a full anti-shield build stops short of one hit stripping of platinum shields (3208; need 3800)

Why can't overload benefit from its own elemental tech application like incinerate impact does?

Well, at least you can drop rank 4A overload for 4B recharge now to maintain the one hit strip threshold and sync up the cryobeam + overload cooldowns better.

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Numerical Damage Tests Jul 13, 2017 20:10:42 GMT

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Jul 13, 2017 8:35:52 GMT peddroelm said:

1.09 they fixed Overload 6b Maximum Charge ; 0.3 Damage Applies even to uncharged damage.

uncharged
HP, 9529328, 47813, 97825880, 1600.000, 1600.000, 980.000, -620.000
200 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.35 + 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.3 + 0.3) = 620

charged
HP, 9481015, 22640, 8BE2B7B0, 1520.000, 1520.000, 590.000, -930.000
HP, 9481187, 172, 97825880, 1600.000, 1600.000, 670.000, -930.000
HP, 9481343, 156, 97959A20, 1600.000, 1600.000, 670.000, -930.000
HP, 9481515, 172, 93DD3300, 1520.000, 1520.000, 590.000, -930.000
300 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.35 + 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.3 + 0.3) = 930

Probably fixed thanks to you!
Way to keep them in line!

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Jul 13, 2017 16:03:04 GMT JRandall0308 said:

Can you bump up Overload to 3800 with a booster or equipment, though?

I missmathed something. Corrected version:

300 * (1 + .4 + .5 + .3 + .25 + .35) * (1 + 1.25 + .4 + 1.2) = 3234

.4 = veterancy
.5 = offensive tech
.3 = engineering kit
.25 = Overload 3
.35 = Overload 4A
1.25 = base multiplier vs. shields
.4 = offensive tech antishield bonus
1.2 = Overload 5B and 6A

Throwing in a 40% tech booster = 3696. So no, unless outside debuffs are in play.

As for Overload stripping in Gold...
300 * (1 + .4 + .5 + .3 + .25 + .35 + .3) * (1 + 1.25 + .4) = 2464
That is replacing 6A with 6B and 5B with 5A, so you can get a +2 chain bonus and still one hit kill shields in Gold.

Only thing is, if you want to grab the recharge speed at 4B for this, you gonna need to use a +30% (Gold) tech booster.

Another simple option is to drop 5B for 5A only, and grab the recharge bonus at 4B - you get +1 chain boost, the recharge speed boost, and one hit strip on shields.

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