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Post by wright1978 on May 1, 2017 15:09:28 GMT
Replaying game & still enjoying it but once again this quest really irritated me. it's one of the first quests you get and on paper it's incredibly serious. Some idiot is going round sabotaging systems. his excuse comes across as completely petty so why are our options so completely useless. we've got you need to go or not up to me. he just wanders off bragging that nothing will happen if you say nexus leadership will deal with him. where's the follow up? Why are our hands so tied in regards dealing with him. Personally I'd like to shove him out an airlock but At the very least have some security show up to drag him off.
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Post by bigdawg13 on May 1, 2017 18:13:25 GMT
I do miss the renegade options sometimes. Or maybe it was just the SPECTRE authority that would allow you to literally shove him out an air lock. Either way, so many times in this game you want to just go renegade on someone but you just have to sit there being peace keeper instead.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 1, 2017 19:23:11 GMT
I always exile him. He seems more afraid of that.
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Post by wright1978 on May 1, 2017 19:56:18 GMT
I always exile him. He seems more afraid of that. To me exiling feels like rewarding him so I didn't choose it but I can see wh others would given how poorly executed the other one feels.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 1, 2017 20:10:12 GMT
I always exile him. He seems more afraid of that. To me exiling feels like rewarding him so I didn't choose it but I can see wh others would given how poorly executed the other one feels. It feels like the options with Spender. In the future attempted murder isn't a crime. Just another one of those WTF moments in Andromeda.
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Post by wright1978 on May 1, 2017 20:28:31 GMT
To me exiling feels like rewarding him so I didn't choose it but I can see wh others would given how poorly executed the other one feels. It feels like the options with Spender. In the future attempted murder isn't a crime. Just another one of those WTF moments in Andromeda. At least with spender it feels like he is actually going to be locked up.
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Post by abaris on May 1, 2017 21:57:34 GMT
It feels like the options with Spender. In the future attempted murder isn't a crime. Just another one of those WTF moments in Andromeda. At least with spender it feels like he is actually going to be locked up. Jailing him seems like the only viable option for me. Exiling seems like a reward. He would just pick up where he left, make a whole lot of money with his connections and probably show up at my outpost there. Btw, did anyone notice that that Turian attempting to murder his superior, falls onto hard times after you tell him and his wife off for what he did? He begs to be put back on cryo, his wife has left him and everyone calls him a murderer. That's actually pretty well executed.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 22:05:21 GMT
Replaying game & still enjoying it but once again this quest really irritated me. it's one of the first quests you get and on paper it's incredibly serious. Some idiot is going round sabotaging systems. his excuse comes across as completely petty so why are our options so completely useless. we've got you need to go or not up to me. he just wanders off bragging that nothing will happen if you say nexus leadership will deal with him. where's the follow up? Why are our hands so tied in regards dealing with him. Personally I'd like to shove him out an airlock but At the very least have some security show up to drag him off. I don't think the Pathfinder has any particular authority regarding anything that happens on the Nexus. It's not like Spectre Shepard who could go anywhere and do anything with impunity because he was granted near-limitless power inside of Council space. Ryder has more control when it comes to decisions regarding exploration or, as they call it in the game, "pathfinding". Even then, he can be overruled by Tann, or the Tempest could be prevented from leaving by Addison. The real problem is why does Ryder have to take care of security issues when Kandros never leaves his post?
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Post by reapermac on May 2, 2017 6:19:35 GMT
Btw, did anyone notice that that Turian attempting to murder his superior, falls onto hard times after you tell him and his wife off for what he did? He begs to be put back on cryo, his wife has left him and everyone calls him a murderer. That's actually pretty well executed. I always exiled him in my play-throughs, he ends up in Kadara with his wife and is actually happy and thanks me for doing so.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 2, 2017 15:06:11 GMT
I always exile him. He seems more afraid of that. To me exiling feels like rewarding him so I didn't choose it but I can see wh others would given how poorly executed the other one feels. Not all that rewarding when he's got a lot of lawless enemies out there - plus, the krogan. We know Drack isn't afraid to drop people down into bottomless pits. Wish we could have heard a final outcome with Spender in the endgame.
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Post by jennica on May 2, 2017 15:13:17 GMT
To me exiling feels like rewarding him so I didn't choose it but I can see wh others would given how poorly executed the other one feels. Not all that rewarding when he's got a lot of lawless enemies out there - plus, the krogan. Yeah, I believe he even says as much.
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Post by Element Zero on May 5, 2017 7:04:17 GMT
If I recall correctly, the saboteur does end up imprisoned. The problem is that this info is in "The Story So Far", rather than being onscreen. We should've at least seen Ryder call for a security team to hail away the bum.
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Post by yokyok on May 5, 2017 14:29:45 GMT
Everyone on the Nexus has cabin fever. No other explanation for why everyone goes banana. It's too bad you don't have the authority to do anything about all the nutjobs you bump into.
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Post by beholderess on May 5, 2017 15:23:31 GMT
Wasn't there a side quest on Elaaden that explained why so many people are nutjobs?
I wish it was elaborated upon, though. Seems too important to just be tucked into a side quest
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 6, 2017 0:18:02 GMT
Wasn't there a side quest on Elaaden that explained why so many people are nutjobs? I wish it was elaborated upon, though. Seems too important to just be tucked into a side quest Dumped mission. Reduced to stupidity. Scan that guy. Hmm cryo stasis has altered the exiles brain functions. I'll make a cure, while you scan another exile. Now give that one exile and nobody else,the cure for cryo psychosis. It worked? Good. Now forget I ever mentioned it and never try to cure anyone else ever again. - Lexi.
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Post by wright1978 on May 6, 2017 15:22:09 GMT
If I recall correctly, the saboteur does end up imprisoned. The problem is that this info is in "The Story So Far", rather than being onscreen. We should've at least seen Ryder call for a security team to hail away the bum. On my second playthrough I found kesh mentioned saboteur being dealt with. Missed that first time round.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 15:39:39 GMT
Replaying game & still enjoying it but once again this quest really irritated me. it's one of the first quests you get and on paper it's incredibly serious. Some idiot is going round sabotaging systems. his excuse comes across as completely petty so why are our options so completely useless. we've got you need to go or not up to me. he just wanders off bragging that nothing will happen if you say nexus leadership will deal with him. where's the follow up? Why are our hands so tied in regards dealing with him. Personally I'd like to shove him out an airlock but At the very least have some security show up to drag him off. I don't think the Pathfinder has any particular authority regarding anything that happens on the Nexus. It's not like Spectre Shepard who could go anywhere and do anything with impunity because he was granted near-limitless power inside of Council space. Ryder has more control when it comes to decisions regarding exploration or, as they call it in the game, "pathfinding". Even then, he can be overruled by Tann, or the Tempest could be prevented from leaving by Addison. The real problem is why does Ryder have to take care of security issues when Kandros never leaves his post? Well if we ignore the mooks we kill (ludonarrative diss..youknowwhat) then its.. like the qunari do.. killing people is a waste of manpower. Exiling can kill them but it can also lead to them being somewhat useful- I mean there is an economy on Kadara and people can still form families there. And with an outpost you can get those in. (and..Idk I think he had a good reason to act like he did, but he still tried it. Here it would give him a reduced jail sentence) Killing criminals if your numbers are so low would be just a waste... better would be some sort of penal system where the people work and therefore still help support and be useful for society by working in a factory for example.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 15:48:32 GMT
Well if we ignore the mooks we kill (ludonarrative diss..youknowwhat) then its.. like the qunari do.. killing people is a waste of manpower. Exiling can kill them but it can also lead to them being somewhat useful- I mean there is an economy on Kadara and people can still form families there. And with an outpost you can get those in. (and..Idk I think he had a good reason to act like he did, but he still tried it. Here it would give him a reduced jail sentence) Killing criminals if your numbers are so low would be just a waste... better would be some sort of penal system where the people work and therefore still help support and be useful for society by working in a factory for example. I generally agree with exile over execution. I'm not sure what jail time is supposed to do. Send them back to cryo, actually, and bring out someone who's actually useful. My DA lore is lacking, but qunari exile? I was almost wondering if you meant quarian because they also favor exile over execution. They even say that the exiles may have children and that those children would be welcomed back to the Migrant Fleet. The "sins of the father" are NOT "the sins of the son" to the quarians.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
The qunari dont execute their criminals-they.."reeducate"them.. which may be a worse fate, specially when being brain-fried with their poison and basically turned into a mindless drone who can do only basic tasks..but they dont waste anything.
the quarians are the same but maybe more out of necessity than of ideology
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Post by themikefest on May 6, 2017 16:53:32 GMT
Assign him to the tempest to be the janitor. He tries anything, throw him out the airlock
Have him stand in a corner holding a sign that says, "This is what a saboteur looks like".
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Put him back in cyro with a sign that says Do not open until........
Hang him. Then open another bar calling it The Hangman.
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Post by hammerstorm on May 6, 2017 17:31:35 GMT
I don't understand why the Nexus didn't just put the people that is judged guilty back into cryo, that would be a easy solution if the ai don't want to kill/exile people over every crime and since jail would be a waste of resources. And then take them out for serving their sentence when we got a functional place with laws and prisons.
Just put the criminal in cryo and take out the next person on the list. That would be the best "good" solution.
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Post by Element Zero on May 6, 2017 19:12:08 GMT
I don't understand why the Nexus didn't just put the people that is judged guilty back into cryo, that would be a easy solution if the ai don't want to kill/exile people over every crime and since jail would be a waste of resources. And then take them out for serving their sentence when we got a functional place with laws and prisons. Just put the criminal in cryo and take out the next person on the list. That would be the best "good" solution. It uses resources, though admittedly fewer than living prisoners. More importantly, it opens all sorts of ethical issues. What if they have family? They'll remain ageless as their family ages. There are many similar questions that surface, if you put yourself in the criminal's position. Suggesting that non-essentials return to cryo is what ultimately prompted the uprising. For that reason alone, it will likely not be used on an unwilling person in the near future, if ever.
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Post by fizzypop on May 6, 2017 19:25:42 GMT
At least with spender it feels like he is actually going to be locked up. Jailing him seems like the only viable option for me. Exiling seems like a reward. He would just pick up where he left, make a whole lot of money with his connections and probably show up at my outpost there. Btw, did anyone notice that that Turian attempting to murder his superior, falls onto hard times after you tell him and his wife off for what he did? He begs to be put back on cryo, his wife has left him and everyone calls him a murderer. That's actually pretty well executed. I kind of feel bad for the guy because he was always in a no win situation. Die or shoot his commanding officer and best friend to live? To be honest I would have shot the guy too. I hate that quest because it makes you feel like such an asshole even if he shot the guy I'd still be pushing for his release because he made the right decision. The one in charge made the wrong one, period.
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Post by hammerstorm on May 6, 2017 21:33:44 GMT
I don't understand why the Nexus didn't just put the people that is judged guilty back into cryo, that would be a easy solution if the ai don't want to kill/exile people over every crime and since jail would be a waste of resources. And then take them out for serving their sentence when we got a functional place with laws and prisons. Just put the criminal in cryo and take out the next person on the list. That would be the best "good" solution. It uses resources, though admittedly fewer than living prisoners. More importantly, it opens all sorts of ethical issues. What if they have family? They'll remain ageless as their family ages. There are many similar questions that surface, if you put yourself in the criminal's position. Suggesting that non-essentials return to cryo is what ultimately prompted the uprising. For that reason alone, it will likely not be used on an unwilling person in the near future, if ever. Sure, it does. But the other option is to either kill or exile them (which can be worse than death). That is just as an ethical issue. And if I put a person that is dangerous in cryo and can get out a person that is useful I would see it as a better option. There is no good ethical option in that problem.
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Post by Element Zero on May 6, 2017 21:41:42 GMT
It uses resources, though admittedly fewer than living prisoners. More importantly, it opens all sorts of ethical issues. What if they have family? They'll remain ageless as their family ages. There are many similar questions that surface, if you put yourself in the criminal's position. Suggesting that non-essentials return to cryo is what ultimately prompted the uprising. For that reason alone, it will likely not be used on an unwilling person in the near future, if ever. Sure, it does. But the other option is to either kill or exile them (which can be worse than death). That is just as an ethical issue. And if I put a person that is dangerous in cryo and can get out a person that is useful I would see it as a better option. There is no good ethical option in that problem. True. All of the exiles chose exile over cryo, though. I just can't see anyone choosing cryo if they have family. It could be worse than death. Forcing it on someone is worse than exiling them, in my opinion.
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