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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 23:08:00 GMT
Really? I felt the complete opposite actually. It was fairly easy for me to make my character my own. And development was very supported (especially if you decided to have a devout character lose their faith after meeting Cory). I loved all my Inquisitor's. Even assquisitor who everybody hated. XD also thesnarkyshaman I never made a devout character In both my playthroughs (didn't even finish the second one lmao I couldn't stand it any longer) I played as an elf who didn't believe they were chosen, or even in the Maker for that matter. But it didn't matter at all. Weird, considering how religion was one of the main themes in the game. Cassandra and Mother Giselle brought it up, and Josephine asked me about it once, but that was it. It had no impact, had no weight. Didn't change the fact that I was still the Inquisitor and was a source of hope for everyone. The fact that I was an elf didn't matter either. Didn't need to convince any extra people. I didn't get any suspicion or anything that affected the story. Didn't get any sidequests or anything about it. Didn't even matter that I was an elf mage, of all things. The Inquisitor also didn't have much of a conflict imo, like I said. It could've easily been about the mark who was very much killing them, for example, but it felt like that was forgotten after the prologue (except that one time someone asked if it hurt, or something.) It wasn't until Trespasser that it actually made an impact, and it was a complete waste imo. It could've been a story about sacrifice and focused on how that affected the Inquisitor, or how they came to terms with it, whether they were hopeful or pessimistic or angry, or scared. And how they came to terms with it, and learned to cope. That would've made them seem like a real person, at least. Not just "Evil bad guy, must kill, save world". Sure, your race or class (or perks like history knowledge etc.) came up in conversation, but they did not matter. They didn't add anything to the character, didn't feel that way to me. It was just the game acknowledging you were all these things, but never doing anything about it. A different dialogue option doesn't mean that the fact that you're an elf made an impact. Origins actually managed that, for example, in Alistair's romance. Apparently a human noble could marry him, while if you were anything else you had to break up or become his mistress, iirc. Things like that. I may be biased though. I mean, there were a lot of reasons I didn't like DAI. Maybe I was bound to dislike the RPG elements, too, since I was so disappointed in the game this is all very off-topic sorry Yeah it's kind of clear the races were added in late in some scenes. "Who is Mythal?" asks the elf with Mythal vassallin.
That said I got plenty of dialogue with my PC saying they didn't believe in the maker and people accepting that. It just didn't change how they saw you as chosen which is pretty realistic. And it wouldn't have any weight outside of dialogue because the point of the Inquisitor is that they're merely a symbol that other people project onto. It doesn't matter if they don't believe in the Maker to the people, their existence is proof enough. As for them accepting you despite being a mage remember all the main quests are blocked off by power and you gain power by helping the people. Clearly word spreads of your deeds and you being a mage matters less than the help you're doing. Until you clear power barriers people scoff at you.
As for conflict yeah that's an issue of the plot. As for the mark it was tied to the breach so yeah as soon as you close the breach it becomes less of an issue. That said I wouldn't have wanted a story about sacrifice. Not after the everyone's doomed dave DA2. My Inquisitor was pressured though and I felt I had plenty of opportunities to show it. As for how they feel becoming the Inquisitor you can talk about how certain/uncertain you are to Cullen/Vivienne right afterwards.
As for your race and class not adding anything again I have to say I disagree I sometimes (not all the time because it's optional) choose my character's background to influence their personality. Interacting with Sera and Solas become different if you're an elf. Bull not so much but as he says the PC isn't actually Qunari. I'm not sure about dwarves because I don't play em.
The mistress thing only really effected the epilogue tho and Alistair's romance tho. Like almost all of DAO's race differences are in the origins or the ending slides and since 90% of those got retconned eventually it makes sense the devs don't do it again. And Sera and the Well of Sorrows is pretty much that for elves. (That said you don't change the ending because that's pretty set in stone til Trespasser).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:49:07 GMT
I will never understand the appeal of werewolves. All I can think is they probably smell like wet dogs. According to Skyrim they do LOL lmao Good thing I get my husbando cured before I marry him XD I use a mod to make him look far better than he should tho. Ah Vilkas you tsundere you.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:42:53 GMT
I will never understand the appeal of werewolves. All I can think is they probably smell like wet dogs.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:30:26 GMT
lol, I read plenty of your posts before having an opinion. It's almost like something big happened to you, a slap in your face. I do think that the complaints in this thread about Liam ( and Vetra ) romance were a little wtf indeed, but no, I wasn't mad.I asked first people why they felt it wasn't decent content compared to Jaal, why jaal was automatically canon, I gave them a chance to explain, there were zero decent reasons given except the little awkward animations in one scene lol, a very minor thing compared to the whole thing. That explains what I felt. You'll excuse me if i wasn't impressed. It's one thing to complain about the little awkward animations, it's one thing to be disappointed by fade to black, but going further, pretending that they didn't put efforts into the romance of Liam and he didn't have the same amount of content, that Jaal is canon was too weird for me. I never considered Liara canon by the way. And since this discussion is quite irrelevant and not really productive, since my question remains unanswered, while I'm confused by the rest, I will simply stop right there. What is certain is that having absolute equal content for all Lis in one game seems too irrealistic. It did't happen in the past with DA:I and M2 and M3. You didn't adress my post in any way. People still haven't learned about Bioware it seems, despite what happened both in DA:I and now in M3. And there we go with the exaggeration. I didn't say Jaal was actually canon. What we were referring to was BW's tendency to have one/two LIs be center stage with more care and attention paid to their romance vs the others in something that feels like a "you should romance X!" way. Like if you read my posts like you're claiming you should know this. Also oh noes. I didn't impress you. Whatever shall I do? Again it's the difference in quality. You see a little awkward I see an animation that looks carefully handcrafted and another that looks thrown together. If it doesn't bother you? That's fine. And yet again I have to seem to repeat to you it's not the fade to black that's the issue. How often do you expect me to repeat myself? It's the fact that a Cora's and Jaal's scenes exist in a game that is filled with shit like this Spoiler'd for multiple gifs And that's the fucking tip of the iceberg. That's utterly laughable and yes the source of my complaint that they'd place animation resources they clearly needed elsewhere in a romance and then not even do it towards all the romances. I have said multiple times at this point I was fine with the kissing and ftb but I wanted kisses the same quality as Cora's nibbling instead of Sara's face going into Liam's cheek. Oh noes. As for you not considering Liara canon that changes nothing about the fact that she has more content than every other LI. (Nor does it stop things like the Genesis with Shep enjoying Liara's mind probing. Despite that contradicting ME1). I didn't address your strawman you mean.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
I think he's skippable. I left the planet early (I wanted to complete a side quest) and it moved on to the next story section. Might be a bug tho. Edit: apparently it's not. Do you know how you build the Kadara Outpost without him? Because Sloane says she'll burn it to the ground, so I wonder how you get around that. Can you actually change her mind? Or do you kill her and someone else takes over? Nah I didn't do the outpost (you have to meet him for that) I'm saying he doesn't block off the next story segment. Kandara is completely optional other than landing there for like five seconds).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:19:15 GMT
That's not a positive. Just because it sucked in ME3 as well doesn't mean it excuses it here. DA:I did a great job with this and yet of all the shitty ideas they decided to transfer over from DA:I to Andromeda they left out all the roleplay dialogues and good CC. I just really wish there was a game company that basically made Bioware games, but with RPG elements embraced, a diverse portrayal of gay romance options and where the writing hadn't devolved into intellectually empty dudebro bullshit. DA:I did a great job with this? I mean it certainly wasn't anywhere near as bad as this but I felt like my Inquisitor had no personality. At all. Just nothing. No character development, no conflict, no defining traits, quirks, opinions and style of speaking. I couldn't relate to them at all and didn't like my own character. At all. There was nothing to like, she was barely even a person. It was all just "close rift that kill demon this ah my hand hurts also Corypheus needs to die" One of the major reasons I didn't enjoy the game much, I think. Just my opinion, though. Really? I felt the complete opposite actually. It was fairly easy for me to make my character my own. And development was very supported (especially if you decided to have a devout character lose their faith after meeting Cory). I loved all my Inquisitor's. Even assquisitor who everybody hated. XD
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:14:37 GMT
It's not really that much worse than ME3 (that said I hated ME3's set Shepard so much). Like most of the time you can work around it. That's not a positive. Just because it sucked in ME3 as well doesn't mean it excuses it here. DA:I did a great job with this and yet of all the shitty ideas they decided to transfer over from DA:I to Andromeda they left out all the roleplay dialogues and good CC. I just really wish there was a game company that basically made Bioware games, but with RPG elements embraced, a diverse portrayal of gay romance options and where the writing hadn't devolved into intellectually empty dudebro bullshit. Ah that was more in a if you were okay with ME3 it's not that much different here thing not really excusing it. I hate canon Shep too. (Also so true about taking everything from DAI except the good stuff). I do too.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:08:28 GMT
Hang on - I've seen some conflicting information about Reyes. I've heard it's possible to complete the game and miss him entirely, but I've also heard he's vital to a main story quest. I just want to make sure I have an accurate assessment of his plot importance. I think he's skippable. I left the planet early (I wanted to complete a side quest) and it moved on to the next story section. Might be a bug tho. Edit: apparently it's not.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:05:38 GMT
It's not really that much worse than ME3 (that said I hated ME3's set Shepard so much). Like most of the time you can work around it. Don't even get me started. ME3's Shepard was just... I was so angry lmao. That's something at least, I guess. "You can't help me." All I could think was why didn't my renegade just reach in and drag that kid out. That whole scene just makes me sigh. IT was the only thing that makes it bearable. R.I.P IT we hardly knew ye.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 22:02:34 GMT
If they don't want to commit to ACTUALLY doing RPGs anymore that's fine, but I feel like they need to admit it and just strip out the dialogues and just let you choose key decisions and who you want to romance. If not and they still want to make RPGs...make fucking RPGs. Give me lots of dialogue options. Stop with the excessive autodialogue. Let me choose from multiple backgrounds/professions and make sure the world reacts to them and that I can apply them in dialogues. Let me choose a class and have the world react to my class and have class specific dialogues. Etc. Completely agree, couldn't have said it better myself. If you're going to call it an RPG, make it an RPG. Honestly I mean, I can't even say this game is a bad RPG (in terms of... RPG-ness) because it's not even an RPG. There is barely any roleplaying involved. The fact that you can choose from different dialogue options (which, apparently more often than not you only have 2 options) doesn't really mean much if it's essentially empty and has no depth in terms of gameplay and character building. Scott and Sara are practically already established characters. It's just... disappointing. It's not really that much worse than ME3 (that said I hated ME3's set Shepard so much). Like most of the time you can work around it.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:48:37 GMT
Yeah I only played scott for a bit but I noticed it after the prologue. Sara's comes across as much more geniune and emotional. That said those are pretty much the default personalities anyway so you should be fine. Really? I got the impression it was the exact opposite. Sara being the intelligent scientist and Scott more of a military guy. She's a nerd yes but she's more...expressive than Scott is. (Granted I only played Scott a wee bit past Eos before I dropped him but that's what my early impressions were when comparing the two of them). Edit: I can't spell lul
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:41:53 GMT
You can kind of but then the game hijacks at the weirdest times. It's offputting really. Not unplayable and most of the time I can forget about it but once in a while it's just ugh. Don't they even get different dialogue options sometimes even? I wanted Sara to be the more of an action girl, a sarcastic/snarky, confident and a bit of a daredevil/adrenaline junkie type. I wanted Scott to be a soft-spoken, kinda insecure but intelligent and diplomatic nerd. Now I don't want to play as either of them. Like, it's one thing to give them different backgrounds. I get that. But they decided their entire personalities for me. I was supposed to be the one that gets to do that. What even. ugh Yeah I only played scott for a bit but I noticed it after the prologue. Sara's comes across as much more geniune and emotional. That said those are pretty much the default personalities anyway so you should be fine.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:40:24 GMT
Actually, i'm not mad. I'm confused by your posts. why I should be mad ? I still don't think you understood. It's not about a comparison between games, it's about a comparisons between romances in the same game. They never were equal in DA:I and M3 for example. Miranda was screwed while Liara had the most content. What I was asking is if people are requiring that we should get all the romances equal or not in sex scenes even if each oorientation has at least one sex scene content. If that's what they ask, that seems a little irrealistic, it never happened no matter what are your excuses. We had Josephine in DA:I, Miranda, Jack in M3 for example with fade to black and truly neglected. I don't see why you dismiss M3 Miranda from the equation to be honest. M2 was M2, M3 was another game. Your excuse about oh, it was an older Li, so it's nothing, is laughable to be honest. That still don't change the fact that the content isn't equal at all compared to Liara or Ashley. She should have been on the normandy, she should have been a squadmate, she doesn't even have a real goodbye with shepard in the end, I mean in person, fade to black cutescene. even if we do not take that into account, it's obvious that she is a small romance There is absolutely little that is satisfying with this romance. Had to wait the dlc. My comparison with you, is that you felt that the devs put less efforts into Liam than Jaal, as much as I felt they put less efforts in Miranda compared to Ashley. I don't get how you cannot see how it is exactly the same thing to be honest, whether it's about different games or not. We were both unhappy with unequal content in the end. Your story of representation is ridiculous. You are complaining specifically about your individual situation, as much as me, it never was about my demographic. I do love how you so exagerate about Liam though. I've seen his whole romance and I felt nothing but awesome feelings, to the point that I wanted to romance him. It's truly fleshed out. The animations almost didn't disturb me there was just the shoulder and it lasted just one second. I really don't get this feeling you had about the animations, and so far I've seen very few people complaining about them. I've seen more people disappointed about the lack of sex scene though. You're talking about people whining. Generally when people result to insults they're mad. As for Liara she has *always* had the most content. She's called the favored romance for a reason. I dismiss her because she's on the same scale as LIs that fit those parameters. ALL of the ME2 LIs that didn't return to the ship got treated that way at best. She wasn't treated any worse than any other ME2 LI that wasn't currently on the ship (and was treated better if anything compared to Thane and Jacob). If you want to compare her to my complaint about Liam you'd have to bring her ME2 romance which was the equal of her ship counterparts. Also why are you even bringing up representation? I never even said ANYTHING about being unrepresented. Why would you even bring it up? You can't wait to burn those strawmen eh? Nope my complaint has always been that the animation for the kiss scene looks like shit compared to Cora's. That's it. You decided to exaggerate my argument out of proportion because for some reason you have an issue with someone pointing out the devs putting such care in the animations in Cora's romance compared to pretty much the rest of the game. You must be joking. This game's awful animations are pretty much a meme at this point. There's a 3 Million view video laughing at them.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:25:31 GMT
I just met Jaal (and Evfra, and the other Angara). I'm so confused at how abrupt everything was. One second I'm surrounded by aliens speaking another language, the next, I'm talking to one of them who can somehow communicate with me, knows what a human is and that I am one, and that we're from the Milky Way. Is this ever explained????
I like the Angaran trader dude though. He made me laugh. Yeah it's shoddy. They didn't even try to justify it with SAM translating. It's like there was supposed to be a scene in between but they just cut it without realizing the explanation for understanding them was missing.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:17:29 GMT
Another reason this may be the first Bioware game I don't bother with. Playing the trial I felt almost no control over my Scott as a person and the fact that his sister get's to be more of an intellectual and a science nerd and I have to be more of a military guy as a male is just salt in the wound. I don't want to be a derptastic version of Sara, thanks. Yeah, I'm still so salty about that. It's an RPG for fucks sake. You're supposed to let your players do the roleplaying. Creating their own character, different personalities. That mean anything to you BW? smh One of the biggest reasons I feel no desire to actually play the game - I know that I can't play as the character I want to play as. ugh You can kind of but then the game hijacks at the weirdest times. It's offputting really. Not unplayable and most of the time I can forget about it but once in a while it's just ugh.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:16:09 GMT
My only issue is he likes to stand out in the open and get himself killed. I love you Liam but please grab some cover What difficulty are you playing on and what skills for Liam have you been putting points into? I'm on hardcore and Liam has not falling at all during my adventures. Normal and I mostly build the one that increases his health and weapon damage and all his damage skills.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 21:14:38 GMT
This game is disturbingly regressive for taking on such a progressive face (even more progressive than trilogy). Another reason this may be the first Bioware game I don't bother with. Playing the trial I felt almost no control over my Scott as a person and the fact that his sister get's to be more of an intellectual and a science nerd and I have to be more of a military guy as a male is just salt in the wound. I don't want to be a derptastic version of Sara, thanks. Eh I was trying to play Sara as logical and a bit cold and if anything she's the derpy one (most of the time she's fine but then she'll say something and I'm just huh?)
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:59:06 GMT
So let's be concrete. Do you want things to be absolutely equal or not ? Should we give the same things to all romances or not ? That is a simple question, not sure how you did to miss it. Because it never happened, that's what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure that you would still whine because straight guys had two sex scenes, while straight women had only one for example; That is already the case with Peebee and Liam. And yet, your orientation has more than gay guys, and yet your orientation is represented. So telling me that I had more options, so it was balanced doesn't resolve the matter. I romanced Miranda in M3, NOT Ashley or Liara. Not tali. People are complaining because Liam or vetra didn't have a sex scene, and yet they have Peebee, or Jaal. The same as me with different options I didn't choose. How what happened to me is different from what happened to you ? You are still complaining about Liam and how Jaal was favored compared to him. And Please don't tell me your romance isn't decent, it's far more than what I had with Miranda. As for Josephine, please spare me that crap. The writer simply wanted to leave things ambiguous, it has nothing with the character of Josephine, she said it herself. Comparing different games is complete BS and you know it. I want the scenes to have an equal amount of effort. Not for one scene to look like it doesn't even belong in the game where's the other does. LMAO you're saying I'm whining? You that mad someone called you out on that laughable comparison? Again no. If my one scene had a similar amount of care put into it (and wasn't laughably lacking in content in comparison) no I wouldn't be mad about one scene. Wait you're talking about Miranda's (who wasn't even on the ship) ME3 scene? Where you slept together in that house? The FTB before their lips connected with her pushing him down on the couch? Yeah no one denies they did ALL the ME2 LIs that weren't on the ship dirty. At least you got a scene and not a lol I knocked up my co worker. In ME3's case the priority was clearly Ship romances (including returning characters) - Female ME2 characters - Male ME2 characters and no that's not me saying it was fair. (They did attempt to correct this in Citadel however). You had Miranda for two games if you're really gonna try to make comparisons in which you got a love scene of equal quality for the game she was introduced in and stayed on the ship during which you know is not the case for Liam. ...No I'm not. I already told you EXACTLY what i was complaining about. Why do you keep dragging this back into a sex scene when my issue is with the vast disparity in animation quality? Why do you keep trying to run away from my actual argument to tear down some straw-man? *shrug* K you got it one LI in DAI that didn't get equal treatment.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:39:32 GMT
I can romance him and I'm laughing at his romance. I'd suggest getting used to people nitpicking romances you like it happens with all of them. Some of us don't prefer such romances matter of taste Exactly why you shouldn't run in to tell people they don't like him because of other reasons. Just stick with assuming it's a preference matter. That said I wonder how much work it'd take to make Gil's story not suck. Cause I mean yikes.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:32:49 GMT
If sex scenes exist in a game, all orientations should get equivalent scenes. If one orientation gets thrusting and nudity, all orientations should get thrusting and nudity. If one orientation gets fade to black, all orientations should get fade to black. If one orientation gets options for both, all orientations should get options for both. Ideally, we should all get options for both.
I find the fact that the developers either did not consider this, did not understand this, or did not think that it was important to be troubling
That seems incredibly idealistic. Are you asking the same thing for all the romances , orientations, gender ? In M3, i had a fade to black with Miranda while Liara and Kaidan had a sex scene. With Josephine I had fade to black, not even aknowledged that sex happened, while Sera had a sex scene, Cassandra with nudity too, Dorian a bit of both. I remember when straight guys complained about the lack of sex scene and how dismissive were people. It already happened in the past. ...Ashley, Liara and Kaidan all had the same reskinned scene so that's one blatant misrepresentation already. Edit: Wait. Liara had a different intro. She did the meld shit first. (I forget because I only romanced Liara like once). But other than that the scenes play near identically some side boob and some side butt. Miranda has kissing and stripping and then ftb yes, Tali has a pouncing kiss then ftb, and Jack has either some make out and grinding (1 night stand) or being held in Shep's arms while crying with a ftb. None of those 3 have any nudity what so ever (Most you get is Miranda's cleavage and her black lacy bra). On the male side, Jacob gets shirtless before kissing Shep with a FTB, Garrus gets a headbump and FTB and Thane...I don't recall watching Thane's scene actually but I'm pretty sure he's not much different either. Kelly doesn't get a scene at all. As for Josephine the lack of a sex scene had more to do with her character than anything else (a sex scene in that part would've ruined the whole mood of the scene and it baffles me that anyone seriously expected one there) and said quality of the sitting on the couch with her head on your arm scene was up to par with everyone else's. Not a single scene in Inquisition is done at the level of Cora's (nor would I expect it too since they had so many romances to deal with). Most of the scenes have heavy kissing that leads to ftb with nudity (In Sera's case the nudity comes first and then the kissing) during the post coitus conversation. Josie and Solas are the only exceptions to this and Solas is because he doesn't sleep with you. The only thing I really get there is wanting Josie to have equal but saying that's on the level of MEA? Nah. So do tell me in which game did you feel the scenes were unbalanced widely for that game?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:18:24 GMT
It's no wonder the devs all loved Jaal's romance best. From the first flirt, to the commitment to the ending and then the sex scene, it's perfect and inspired by many things it seems. I love it! It's nice to have a LI that you are crazy about. I'm lucky that I'm really digging Gil even with the smaller amount of content in his romance. I'd probably be even more of a happy raving lunatic if his romance had more content.
I feel that way about Liam. He's just so let's save the world than kick back and have some drinks. No drama, no lies, no BS, no melodrama it's just so pleasant. It's nice to have a LI that you are crazy about. I'm lucky that I'm really digging Gil even with the smaller amount of content in his romance. I'd probably be even more of a happy raving lunatic if his romance had more content.
I actually really like Reyes, but I can't tell if that's my mind telling me 'this is one of your only options so you're gonna damn well like it.' Just wish he had more content. If only he were a squadmate... I agree. I thought I was gonna be so so on Reyes (especially with that accent come on Boulton) but nope I am smitten. He's fun and awesome and I wish he was a full companion I don't think we have a sniper do we?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:13:18 GMT
It's no wonder the devs all loved Jaal's romance best. From the first flirt, to the commitment to the ending and then the sex scene, it's perfect and inspired by many things it seems. I love it! yes.so childish to put him down because you cant romance him.comparing to edward? really? I can romance him and I'm laughing at his romance. I'd suggest getting used to people nitpicking romances you like it happens with all of them. Some of us don't prefer such romances
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 20:11:06 GMT
Sooo... this happened. LinkSo... what are the chances he would be willing to possibly record missing audio for a bi Jaal mod? If he was paid probably fairly high. But even if so he's only one half of the equation.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
Okay seriously Jaal/Sara is now on the level of Tali's face. BW come on. Get some originality goddamn.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 24, 2017 19:54:02 GMT
Culmination scene for Jaal romance is literally Edward and Bella first night from "Breaking Dawn". I got an uncomfortable 2008 flashback when I saw the vid. Oh my god, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that and died inside. Skip to 4:00. im ded. of all things, why. :D8: IT'S THE SAME. LMFAO I kneew there was a reason Jaal's romance was hitting all my nope buttons. I KNEW IT. I bet Sara has that Kristen face too in this scene.
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