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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 2:04:05 GMT
Give the virgin types to the male LIs for a change, why always women tho? Alistair is the only one I can think of. Eh Cullen's can kind of be one. That said I wouldn't be opposed to another one. Just as long as he's not a KISA again. I'd love if the rogue was a virgin for a change instead of the usual everything that moves.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 2:02:49 GMT
There was nothing no sexual about that strip tease she does. That said thanks for the corrections True, though just saying technically she could count as both. After all you don't need to do the dance scene to continue her romance in ME3. You're welcome. That is true. (I kind of wish I could do Tali's romance without having sex with her because as it is the whole "I might die from it but I really need to bone you Shepard." is just so no.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:59:28 GMT
Tali's is as romantic as it is sexual. Miranda's is exactly what I meant by sex but it not being a big focus. Jack's character is sexual yes but her romance isn't. Silk Fox is sexual (sensual would be more accurate actually), saying Isabela isn't sexual is laughable, Merrill fair enough. All the f/f options in BW games as I can recall. Juhani (no one's sexual in KOTOR), Silk Fox (not virginal at all), Leliana (not virginal), Merrill (virginal) Isabela (sexual), Liara (virginal and sexual), Kelly (sexual), Traynor (sexual), Suvi (not sexual) Vetra (not virginal), Sera (not virginal) Just say you don't want a certain type. To be fair, Kelly's writer talked about how she was written to be where it could either be sexual or not sexual. Also you forgot PeeBee and Keri from MEA and Josephine from DAI. There was nothing no sexual about that strip tease she does. That said thanks for the corrections
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:49:08 GMT
What lot? Morrigan and Viconia? those are the only blatant sexual m/f only options I can recall. The others have sex (like Leliana) but it's not a big focus. Morrigan, Jack, Tali, Miranda, and whoever else I can't remember are all m/f options that are sexual without it being their whole characters. Leliana and Vetra are examples of exceptions to the f/f rule, and they're both written by Sheryl Chee. Tali's is as romantic as it is sexual. Miranda's is exactly what I meant by sex but it not being a big focus. Jack's character is sexual yes but her romance isn't. Silk Fox is sexual (sensual would be more accurate actually), saying Isabela isn't sexual is laughable, Merrill fair enough. All the f/f options in BW games as I can recall. Juhani (no one's sexual in KOTOR), Silk Fox (not virginal at all), Leliana (not virginal), Merrill (virginal) Isabela (sexual), Liara (virginal and sexual), Kelly (sexual), Traynor (sexual), Suvi (not sexual) Vetra (not virginal), Sera (not virginal), Edit: Forgot about Josie (not sexual) Keri (not sexual), and Peebee (sexual) *Honestly I'd categorize her as sexual and virginal like Liara because of the emphasis on it being her first time melding. But yeah that's just me. Just say you don't want a certain type. Okay this I perfectly understand. I'm sick of getting KISA for my f/m options and guys that are super sweet and I want to gag. I want an asshole manipulator for a change. Well, I mean, there are websites where you can just buy an asshole manipulator. ...No just...no. Why would I go for the inferior for private time?
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:40:16 GMT
It is when a lot of the solely m/f options are shown being sexual and having sexual desires without it necessarily being their whole character. What lot? Morrigan and Viconia? those are the only blatant sexual m/f only options I can recall. The others have sex (like Leliana) but it's not a big focus.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:38:42 GMT
I just wish we could have more lesbian and bi woman characters that aren't infantilized or portrayed as sexless but don't have a super male gazey sex scene or a sex scene that is obviously just copy+paste from an m/f sex scene that we basically have to headcanon an invisible strap on because it makes no sense otherwise. Okay this I perfectly understand. I'm sick of getting KISA for my f/m options and guys that are super sweet and I want to gag. I want an asshole manipulator for a change.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:36:20 GMT
Well yeah but trying to act like it's the devs being afraid to show sexual lesbians instead of the far more likely scenario of them focusing on the f/m versions exclusively and the f/f merely getting ported over is a bit odd. Those aren't mutually exclusive situations, especially considering Bioware has a history of having a lot of f/f options that are sexless and/or "childish" in their depiction. There aren't a lot of exceptions to that, unfortunately. Vetra fortunately is an exception, which I'm thankful for. But again these f/f options are also available for males. (Not to mention the only sexless characters BW has ever had are Merrill, Suvi and Josephine and again 2 of these options are for males as well.) Trying to say this is a slight against f/f instead of just a result of BW using a trope for male protags too and doubling them up is kind of bizarre.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:30:56 GMT
I mean lesbian as in lesbian sex scenes, aka f/f in general. But yeah, Keri doesn't have a sex scene or a kiss scene. Peebee's "sex scene" is obviously made for m/f in mind and the positioning doesn't rly work if it's supposed to be tribbing. Vetra has a FtB, but at least there's the indication something happened and there is a kiss scene. Suvi has no sex scene but at least has a kiss scene. Well yeah but trying to act like it's the devs being afraid to show sexual lesbians instead of the far more likely scenario of them focusing on the f/m versions exclusively and the f/f merely getting ported over is a bit odd. Well the simple solution is every character should have a fully animated sex scene. nah the solution is to go back to ftb and not waste resources on sex scenes.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 24, 2017 1:19:44 GMT
Huh? Every f/f option that doesn't have a sex scene other than Suvi is also available to male PCs.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 23, 2017 16:12:20 GMT
What I meant is that I'm ok with them making an African-looking female LI in any of their games unless she is the only human female avaliable for romance. Meh.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 23, 2017 1:06:47 GMT
There has never been a BW game where there was only one female option other than NWN. KOTOR Technically cat lady is a f/f option so
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 22, 2017 19:54:33 GMT
There has never been a BW game where there was only one female option other than NWN. Andromeda has only one straight female. Even if we ignore sexual orientation, the amount of content with bith women was far from equal. BW had a chance with Viviene, but that gave her bold head, unlikable character traits and no romance option. Your point being? That doesn't suddenly mean Scott can only romance 1 female. As for the amount of content not being equal welcome to every other demographic. Unless you're gonna say Liam and Jaal got equal treatment. I'm not even going to start on that Vivienne comment let's just say we disagree and leave it at that.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 22, 2017 14:16:29 GMT
There has never been a BW game where there was only one female option other than NWN.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 22, 2017 1:20:43 GMT
Aw I like Tann. He's a weasel but he's my weasel.
That said I've always been pretty iffy on the Krogan characters myself so I see where he's coming from.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 22:12:23 GMT
Since were on the topic of lesbians has anyone noticed that Traynor and Suvi are kind of alike? They're both nervous scientists, who are quirky, cute, easily embarrassed and have little in the way of major personality flaws. I mean, besides Suvi being religious and having a more generalized scientific background compared to Traynor focus on engineering they seem pretty samey. Am I just crazy and looking for salt when their is none or is the Mass Effect series starting to recycle character archetypes? Starting? They've been recycling archetypes since ME2. That said while there are similarities certainly both characters are quite different as well. They've been recycling archetypes since after KOTOR.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 21:35:11 GMT
What was wrong with her romance? I believe they are referring to the underwear shower sex scene and how the whole romance was made for the gaze of straight men or something. The scene with her in my Shep's Jacuzzi is weird. I was like bitch gtfo this is mine not yours.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 19:13:54 GMT
They always animate it with the male character in mind to avoid offending people who don't want their male character acting feminine ever, and it happens that default Sara has a weird smile in her base model. It's almost like they didn't even playtest through as female. She also walks a little weirdly in cutscenes.. and I'll always be bitter about femshep sitting with her legs open lol. It's fine for women to act masculine but idk why they can't find some neutral ground. They do and it's annoying. ME1 was okay tho. Yeah you got the occasional MShep walking kind of girly and FemShep walking kind of manly but it mostly worked. I'll take the weird gap sitting (since I sit like that) over the stupid hip swaying FemInquisitor does while walking (but not during any cutscene that's not a romance one. Then all of a sudden she's using the male rig that doesn't fit her frame because god forbid they be consistent and actually put effort into her otherwise). DAI was pretty much the worst of both worlds. Quizzy decided to hip sway through mud and in hazardous areas but during normal conversation? Time to act like you're riding a goddamn horse. FFS be consistent. My main issue in ME2 and ME3 was the rig was ugly period. MShep walking around like a lumbering ape with his neck trying to do the exorcist spin and nah it was just a shitty rig. But apparently all men have to lumber about and then they superimpose that stupid shit on the femPC and it looks even worse because they have her and her toothpick arms using that musclebound rig. I don't know why they go so heavily on the masculine level for the rig either.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 18:55:47 GMT
Drack's loyalty mission I just can't. You handcrafted a freaking sex scene but you leave the conclusion of a LM in that disgusting state? Priorities in this game were out of wack. And don't get me started on the laughable fight scene in the club. Jesus. I thought the fight scene was okay. My Umi got involved so I loved it. But that scene in the beginning when you board the Nexus and tell everyone your dad is dead and Sara looks like she's trying not to shit kills me. Also Peebee's sex scene, that look you give her when she's talking about trust? What in the hell? Nah you get blows not even connecting if you're playing Sara and people staring dead eyed into the opposite direction it's just so much nope. (Also the Krogan fight scene was hilarious. Those little arms I just...who thought that was a good idea). Oh god yeah that my dad is dead face especially on default Sara is just so so awful. Not to mention before they fixed it Scott's face during the Vetra love scene was just "Kill me."
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 18:30:34 GMT
I rather the little details go into my PC's and other NPCs expressions and body language after sad/harrowing moments than a sex scene. Yeah they need to be pretty solid all across the board. Forever bitter over the polish of Cora and Scott's sex scene and then the shit smeared rest of game in terms of animation Drack's loyalty mission I just can't. You handcrafted a freaking sex scene but you leave the conclusion of a LM in that disgusting state? Priorities in this game were out of wack. And don't get me started on the laughable fight scene in the club. Jesus.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 18:21:11 GMT
Seriously what a waste of resources. All those animation issues but Cora being bond by Scott and Sara boning Jaal had to get all that TLC? Are you kidding me? Priorities! Wake fodder should only be crafted after everything else is ready to go. And I usually prefer FTB since that coy shit they usually have the fem protag doing is just nah fam my fem PC would be going in. mmmmm I prefer the little details. Video games are my escape and in this case, an escape from an untouched virginal flower of all goodness and purity I rather the little details go into my PC's and other NPCs expressions and body language after sad/harrowing moments than a sex scene.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 18:13:34 GMT
For sure, didn't mean to come across as super defensive lol and I don't think the devs should be putting so much thought into the intricate details of their sex scenes anyway. Hence my preferring the ftb. Seriously what a waste of resources. All those animation issues but Cora being boned by Scott and Sara boning Jaal had to get all that TLC? Are you kidding me? Priorities! Wank fodder should only be crafted after everything else is ready to go. And I usually prefer FTB since that coy shit they usually have the fem protag doing is just nah fam my fem PC would be going in.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 18:09:08 GMT
This goes back to Bioware treating gaymers like shit but that article about how much more gay andromeda needs to be brought up something important. All the comments were people complaining about SJW nonsense, there's no gay is space, the game sucks, whatever. I guess I never really thought about it but Bioware did a huge fuck up here trying to mainly pander to dudebros while also managing to pat us 'fags' on the head with a q-tip. Not only did they limit our content to appease the dudebros, that effort they did in including us in as little ways as possible backfired big time on multiple fronts. At this point, dudebros can only achieve pleasure by whatever force created the universe hand stroking their dude meat. But dudebros felt the game sucked and thought it was SJW central and gaymers are mega pissed about our treatment. So it's like . . . they need to pick an audience. They need to stop targeting people who only want to shoot shit and couldn't care less about anything else. Or they need to stop targeting people who want themselves represented. Can someone please add that gif of DJ Khaled saying congratulations you played yourself because I think that's the most appropriate thing ever to describe this situation Quoted the wrong post
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 17:57:00 GMT
Idk, it still seems very separate to me. You can be very in love and demure with a partner in public and still be into bdsm. Again this is just why I think a ftb would work best, since then everyone can headcanon whatever they like with this sort of stuff. Again this is a video game romance not a relationship with a real person. Thus my reasoning. The romance is a storytelling device and helps craft my character in my view. Edit: This is not trying to be snarky I'm just trying to say why I don't see this as the same as demure catholic girl that does anal levels. That said FTB is always ideal for me especially since I tend to be outside the norm for what's expected anyway.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 17:51:27 GMT
Eh I'm seeing it as less "in character!" and more "makes sense with how the romance is flowing." if I'm seeing a sappy lovey dovey romance I don't want BDSM sex scene plopped at the end of it. Or vice versa.
Yes things like that are realistic no one's saying it's not. I just want a coherent theme in my romances.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 21, 2017 4:48:01 GMT
Man with the new Iokath Theron is becoming my favorite romance I love my messed up relationships so much and he's hitting the bill so hard. I agree, romancing him with my Sith Inquisitor who picked the Empire has been a real treat. I'm glad Bioware took the time to add the extra dialogue. *Though Quinn, along with his voice is hot. Listening to him and the male Inquisitor in the same scene was...probably how Samantha Traynor feels while listening to EDI speak. :hearteyes: Yeah my LS SI is my favorite version of the Theronmance. That and agentxagent :3 I'm currently running a SW to romance him to because my god male SW voice is just unf. And I can't play a fem SW without her romancing Quinn cause I'm Quinn trash.
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