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Post by fylimar on Sept 8, 2017 20:20:30 GMT
Although I dpn't like tv-Ellaria (love book-Ellaria though), I really like Indira Varma, she is a great actress and I love, how she voiced Viv (and Iddy : although I'm a big Viv fan, I never sided with Meredith ones. Viv would probably not have sided with Meredith, she was a raving lunatic in the end) I'm sure "NOT Viv" would choose Meredith for the "peace", and because "the Mages are dangerous, they need supervision always" – except herself, ofc. On the principle, that a bad Templar better than the lack of control, and would want to regain her own reliability and importance, what is the most important thing in her life. Her own relevance much more important to her, than anyone's life. She doesn't let that lose because of Anders, nor because of some poor Mages in the Circle. And she's a Loyalist, rather to the Templars/Chantry whatever they wants than the Mages, especially if they serve his own interests. Varric also prefer to side Meredith, because he sees Kirkwall's security in her hand... foolish, but still. Hey, I didn't say, that Viv wouldn't be pro-templar, but she has standards, a madwoman like Meredith would never do for her.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 20:26:48 GMT
I'm sure "NOT Viv" would choose Meredith for the "peace", and because "the Mages are dangerous, they need supervision always" – except herself, ofc. On the principle, that a bad Templar better than the lack of control, and would want to regain her own reliability and importance, what is the most important thing in her life. Her own relevance much more important to her, than anyone's life. She doesn't let that lose because of Anders, nor because of some poor Mages in the Circle. And she's a Loyalist, rather to the Templars/Chantry whatever they wants than the Mages, especially if they serve his own interests. Varric also prefer to side Meredith, because he sees Kirkwall's security in her hand... foolish, but still. Hey, I didn't say, that Viv wouldn't be pro-templar, but she has standards, a madwoman like Meredith would never do for her. I think, without a little doubt. Not for Meredith, rather for herself. The rebellion doesn't serve her interests. To let Mages go away, doesn't serve her interests. But with helping Meredith she would prove, that she's still reliable and important.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 7:52:22 GMT
Although I dpn't like tv-Ellaria (love book-Ellaria though), I really like Indira Varma, she is a great actress and I love, how she voiced Viv (and Iddy : although I'm a big Viv fan, I never sided with Meredith ones. Viv would probably not have sided with Meredith, she was a raving lunatic in the end) Indira does have a lovely voice. Vivienne seems to crave power, her power more than anything else. With the marquis she showed she is willing to harm to get it. She believes in the circle but uses people to stay out of it. I can see her siding with Meredith only if the advantage was hers in the end. And possibly switching sides once Meredith goes way over into crazy. But Viv would fight for the circles back I think. She would undoubtly fight for the circles, I just think, she would have anticipated Meredith fall much sooner than most, being versed in the game, so she would have probably sought help outside the Kirkwall templars and probably long before The Last Straw. You can say a lot about Viv, and not only nice things, but she is intelligent and can read people, otherwise she would have never been able to become so powerful in Orlais. So all I'm saying is, that she would have anticipated Meredith fall long before anyone else would have thought of that. I don't like Viv, because she is a nice person, I like her because of her intelligence, she reminds ne of Lady Olenna, one of my favorite character from the GoT books ( she was great in the show too though). (edit for a lot of typos. I typed that from my cellphone and it likes to autocorrect - sadly it's not that good with the whole autocorrect thingy )
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Post by Sifr on Sept 9, 2017 21:17:30 GMT
Personally, I like this scene because it shows, that Vivienne tends to abuse her gift and to give a shit to the people's fears if she can demonstrate her power. Most of the people think, that Vivienne is a great example of a responsible Mage. But this simply not true. She's far more vindictive than responsible in that scene. Cole reveals in party banter that Vivienne set Alphonse up to find a false letter that would make him do something foolish in front of the Inquisitor. While making a good first impression on the Inquisitor (or making it clear not to screw with her) was one of her reasons, it was mostly retaliation for overhearing the Maquis make extremely crude and racist comments about her. Not that I can exactly blame her for wanting to get even with him, but it does make her use of magic rather petty and irresponsible. Having arranged the whole thing in advance, Vivienne had to have known Alphonse would throw out a challenge and reason for his sword at some point. Her plan all along was to swoop in at the last minute, freeze him in place and proceed to scare him witless, before publicly shaming him in front of everyone.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 10, 2017 17:06:13 GMT
Just completed my first ever playthrough of DA2 last night (just bought DAO and DA2 a few weeks ago), and I must say, siding against Merideth was one of the easiest choices in a Bioware game ever. Crazy bitch is crazy, and what Anders did obviously doesn't justify killing all the Circle mages, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Even if I hadn't been playing a mage, that was a total no-brainer. And killing her was very satisfying. Only way I could see siding with her would be if you're playing an evil/asshole Hawke, or a religious fanatic Templar Hawke.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 10, 2017 19:08:28 GMT
Just completed my first ever playthrough of DA2 last night (just bought DAO and DA2 a few weeks ago), and I must say, siding against Merideth was one of the easiest choices in a Bioware game ever. Crazy bitch is crazy, and what Anders did obviously doesn't justify killing all the Circle mages, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Even if I hadn't been playing a mage, that was a total no-brainer. And killing her was very satisfying. Only way I could see siding with her would be if you're playing an evil/asshole Hawke, or a religious fanatic Templar Hawke. It was. One thing that bothers me is that she walks away to prepare for the annulment. Did she ask for the annulment before. I know she was waiting for reinforcements but it was awfully quick. Shouldn't she have arrested Anders and turned him over. (Hawke would not have let that happen but still) All Meredith could think of was to kill all the mages. Cullen not stopping her is kind of troubling too, most of the Templars would have sided with him as they did when he let Hawke and Anders leave unharmed. But yeah it was a good death for her. I love her fate! A paranoid, fanatic Templar, who died as a foolish blood mage, because of couldn't resist to the temptation? Brilliant!
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Post by Catilina on Sept 10, 2017 19:18:16 GMT
I love her fate! A paranoid, fanatic Templar, who died as a foolish blood mage, because of couldn't resist to the temptation? Brilliant! You know that's true! Meredith turned to blood magic the thing she hated the most! HA! The best, when she says to Varric, that Bartrand was weak, but she's not! Just as an overconfident blood mage, just as Tarohone and Uldred!
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 10, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
Just completed my first ever playthrough of DA2 last night (just bought DAO and DA2 a few weeks ago), and I must say, siding against Merideth was one of the easiest choices in a Bioware game ever. Crazy bitch is crazy, and what Anders did obviously doesn't justify killing all the Circle mages, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Even if I hadn't been playing a mage, that was a total no-brainer. And killing her was very satisfying. Only way I could see siding with her would be if you're playing an evil/asshole Hawke, or a religious fanatic Templar Hawke. It was. One thing that bothers me is that she walks away to prepare for the annulment. Did she ask for the annulment before. I know she was waiting for reinforcements but it was awfully quick. Shouldn't she have arrested Anders and turned him over. (Hawke would not have let that happen but still) All Meredith could think of was to kill all the mages. Cullen not stopping her is kind of troubling too, most of the Templars would have sided with him as they did when he let Hawke and Anders leave unharmed. But yeah it was a good death for her. Yeah good call- Anders blows up the Chantry, and yet she barely says two words to him when he's standing right in front of her, instead going off about how all the Circle mages have to die (despite their lack of involvement or even knowledge of Anders plan)
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 10, 2017 21:20:56 GMT
Yeah good call- Anders blows up the Chantry, and yet she barely says two words to him when he's standing right in front of her, instead going off about how all the Circle mages have to die (despite their lack of involvement or even knowledge of Anders plan) The entire Circle system is corrupt. It didn't start out that way I know. For a Knight Commander to have to much power over so many and on her word alone. How anyone can let that stand is hard to understand. Then taking the tranquil aspect, Lyrium addicted Templars. Seekers that have some power over Templars and Mages. Chantry that promotes fear among the people. Hard to side with Meredith. Even if Anders hadn't blown up the Chantry I think Meredith would have found another excuse, with or without lyrium sword. Maybe the lyrium sword emboldened gave her strength to do that. Yeah it definitely seemed like she was just waiting for an excuse all along, and in any case killing people for something someone else did is sort of a deal-breaker.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 11, 2017 0:37:28 GMT
Just completed my first ever playthrough of DA2 last night (just bought DAO and DA2 a few weeks ago), and I must say, siding against Merideth was one of the easiest choices in a Bioware game ever. Crazy bitch is crazy, and what Anders did obviously doesn't justify killing all the Circle mages, who had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Even if I hadn't been playing a mage, that was a total no-brainer. And killing her was very satisfying. Only way I could see siding with her would be if you're playing an evil/asshole Hawke, or a religious fanatic Templar Hawke. It was. One thing that bothers me is that she walks away to prepare for the annulment. Did she ask for the annulment before. I know she was waiting for reinforcements but it was awfully quick. Shouldn't she have arrested Anders and turned him over. (Hawke would not have let that happen but still) All Meredith could think of was to kill all the mages. Cullen not stopping her is kind of troubling too, most of the Templars would have sided with him as they did when he let Hawke and Anders leave unharmed. But yeah it was a good death for her. Yes, Meredith has asked for an annulment before. Every time she has Elthina would deny the request. That's why, or at least part of why, Anders blew up the Chantry and killed Elthina since as he said he removed the person advocating for peace and compromise. With Elthina out of the way, nobody could stop Meredith from finally enacting the annulment.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 0:48:55 GMT
It was. One thing that bothers me is that she walks away to prepare for the annulment. Did she ask for the annulment before. I know she was waiting for reinforcements but it was awfully quick. Shouldn't she have arrested Anders and turned him over. (Hawke would not have let that happen but still) All Meredith could think of was to kill all the mages. Cullen not stopping her is kind of troubling too, most of the Templars would have sided with him as they did when he let Hawke and Anders leave unharmed. But yeah it was a good death for her. Yes, Meredith has asked for an annulment before. Every time she has Elthina would deny the request. That's why, or at least part of why, Anders blew up the Chantry and killed Elthina since as he said he removed the person advocating for peace and compromise. With Elthina out of the way, nobody could stop Meredith from finally enacting the annulment. But Meredith sent the request to Val Royeaux, not to Elthina. Yes, Anders wanted to take away the compromise. Elthina was an idiot (malevolent), if she would want peace, then she would have fired that idiot. But she didn't care about the people, she only cared about the eternity. Anders just sent her to her beloved eternity. Justice was made!
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Post by Iddy on Sept 11, 2017 18:20:32 GMT
Meredith did nothing wrong.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 18:25:09 GMT
Meredith did nothing wrong. Exactly so, if among her long-term goals included to becoming a big red statue. It's a noble and self-sacrificing goal for her beloved city.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 11, 2017 20:27:00 GMT
Meredith did nothing wrong.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 11, 2017 23:09:36 GMT
Yes, Meredith has asked for an annulment before. Every time she has Elthina would deny the request. That's why, or at least part of why, Anders blew up the Chantry and killed Elthina since as he said he removed the person advocating for peace and compromise. With Elthina out of the way, nobody could stop Meredith from finally enacting the annulment. I wasn't clear. I meant when exactly did Meredith ask for the annulment after Anders blew the Chantry. There wasn't time to get the permission from the Divine in Val Royeaux. So maybe I missed something. It seemed too quick and she was too ready to call for annulment instead of arresting Anders. Well, she was too ready to call the Annulment for the reasons I stated where she had been itching for the opportunity. As for it being too quick, it was since she never got permission from the Chantry but instead did one illegally without permission.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 0:50:02 GMT
Well, she was too ready to call the Annulment for the reasons I stated where she had been itching for the opportunity. As for it being too quick, it was since she never got permission from the Chantry but instead did one illegally without permission. Ok. That makes sense. So Cullen may have known that Meredith didn't have legal permission to annul. Everyone knows.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 12, 2017 2:00:54 GMT
Ok. That makes sense. So Cullen may have known that Meredith didn't have legal permission to annul. Everyone knows. Pretty much. But by that time the fighting has started so self-preservation takes over until the end with the final confrontation between Meredith and Hawke.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 12, 2017 8:49:19 GMT
I wasn't clear. I meant when exactly did Meredith ask for the annulment after Anders blew the Chantry. There wasn't time to get the permission from the Divine in Val Royeaux. So maybe I missed something. It seemed too quick and she was too ready to call for annulment instead of arresting Anders. Well, she was too ready to call the Annulment for the reasons I stated where she had been itching for the opportunity. As for it being too quick, it was since she never got permission from the Chantry but instead did one illegally without permission. I think Gaider stated a while back that it was technically legal for Meredith to do what she did, since there was no Grand Cleric to ask and no clear successor to serve as the next best thing. Which is a sensible way of handling it, I suppose. It's supposed to be a measure to handle magical emergencies bad enough that wiping out an entire Circle is better than the alternative. If we're going to assume those exist, it seems safe to assume that tying the solution up in bureaucracy is a dangerous thing. And the danger of this provision being abused is supposed to be moot because red-lyrium addled crazies aren't supposed to be the ones making the call. Of course he also noted that had Meredith lived, she would have been called upon to explain why she Annulled the Circle, since apparently the Divine didn't think things had gotten bad enough to justify Annulment yet.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 9:34:58 GMT
Well, she was too ready to call the Annulment for the reasons I stated where she had been itching for the opportunity. As for it being too quick, it was since she never got permission from the Chantry but instead did one illegally without permission. I think Gaider stated a while back that it was technically legal for Meredith to do what she did, since there was no Grand Cleric to ask and no clear successor to serve as the next best thing. Which is a sensible way of handling it, I suppose. It's supposed to be a measure to handle magical emergencies bad enough that wiping out an entire Circle is worse than the alternative. If we're going to assume those exist, it seems safe to assume that tying the solution up in bureaucracy is a dangerous thing. And the danger of this provision being abused is supposed to be moot because red-lyrium addled crazies aren't supposed to be the ones making the call. Of course he also noted that had Meredith lived, she would have been called upon to explain why she Annulled the Circle, since apparently the Divine didn't think things had gotten bad enough to justify Annulment yet.Yes, I agree, almost everything, but: Meredith didn't ask for Annulment before, at least not from Val Royeaux, Otto Alric asked for mass Tranquility, this was what the Divine (and Elthina and Meredith too) rejected, not the Annulment. True, perhaps at Act1-Act2 the Divine would reject the request, but at Act3, after that Leliana's spies and the seekers experienced the blood mage presence around the Circle, I suppose it is a great chance she would have accepted it. (Seems no one knows/accepts in Chantry, that Meredith's a madwoman. – Cullen was suspicious, but still trusted in her, until the end-result)
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 12, 2017 10:37:46 GMT
I think Gaider stated a while back that it was technically legal for Meredith to do what she did, since there was no Grand Cleric to ask and no clear successor to serve as the next best thing. Which is a sensible way of handling it, I suppose. It's supposed to be a measure to handle magical emergencies bad enough that wiping out an entire Circle is worse than the alternative. If we're going to assume those exist, it seems safe to assume that tying the solution up in bureaucracy is a dangerous thing. And the danger of this provision being abused is supposed to be moot because red-lyrium addled crazies aren't supposed to be the ones making the call. Of course he also noted that had Meredith lived, she would have been called upon to explain why she Annulled the Circle, since apparently the Divine didn't think things had gotten bad enough to justify Annulment yet.Yes, I agree, almost everything, but: Meredith didn't ask for Annulment before, at least not from Val Royeaux, Otto Alric asked for mass Tranquility, this was what the Divine (and Elthina and Meredith too) rejected, not the Annulment. True, perhaps at Act1-Act2 the Divine would reject the request, but at Act3, after that Leliana's spies and the seekers experienced the blood mage presence around the Circle, I suppose it is a great chance she would have accepted it. (Seems no one knows/accepts, that Meredith's a madwoman. – Cullen was suspicious, but still trusted in her, until the end-result) I'd thought I'd remembered Gaider saying the Divine was going to reject the request, and punish Meredith for abusing her authority. But now that I've found the post in question, he more implies it.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 10:45:17 GMT
Yes, I agree, almost everything, but: Meredith didn't ask for Annulment before, at least not from Val Royeaux, Otto Alric asked for mass Tranquility, this was what the Divine (and Elthina and Meredith too) rejected, not the Annulment. True, perhaps at Act1-Act2 the Divine would reject the request, but at Act3, after that Leliana's spies and the seekers experienced the blood mage presence around the Circle, I suppose it is a great chance she would have accepted it. (Seems no one knows/accepts, that Meredith's a madwoman. – Cullen was suspicious, but still trusted in her, until the end-result) I'd thought I'd remembered Gaider saying the Divine was going to reject the request, and punish Meredith for abusing her authority. But now that I've found the post in question, he more implies it. Gaider said, that the Grand Cleric would refuse the request, this was Meredith's reason to sent her request directly to the Divine. He even said, that perhaps the Divine would refuse the request. Perhaps, not sure. Where he said, that the Divine's intention was Meredith's punishment?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 12, 2017 10:47:16 GMT
I'd thought I'd remembered Gaider saying the Divine was going to reject the request, and punish Meredith for abusing her authority. But now that I've found the post in question, he more implies it. Gaider said, that the Grand Cleric would refuse the request, this was Meredith's reason to sent her request directly to the Divine. He even said, that perhaps the Divine would refuse the request. Perhaps, not sure. Where he said, that the Divine's intention was Meredith's punishment? Well, the closest thing to that that I've found is in the link in the post you replied to. Which doesn't actually say it, but leaves the possibility open and I think implies that he thinks it would have happened.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 12:16:26 GMT
That is interesting that the Knight Commander has legal authority to annul a circle if there is no Grand Cleric in position. That's quite a loop hole. So the repeated calls to annul Kirkwall even though denied - no one in authority cared enough to investigate Meredith, The Grand Cleric and what was really going on in the circle. The fault is Meredith, Orsino, Grand Cleric, Divine and the system of the circle. On one hand typical bureaucrat/Corporate behavior with bad news not geting to the top and if it does it is ignores. Good for Anders - I'm more in his camp. I suppose Orsino asked the Grand Cleric not once, but she didn't care about the Mages enough to intervene... And not he was only: some people in Kirkwall thought, that Elthina's not suitable to her position. ("Elthina is well-loved by the entire city, but some claim her to be ineffective and are quietly calling on the Divine to appoint a replacement.")
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 12:31:57 GMT
Elthina, Meredith, Orsino and Ser Alric were not suitable in their positions. Don't those guys have yearly reviews? Orsino wasn't a leader and never wanted to be. He only took the First Enchanter's position, because nobody else took that under Meredith, but he thought, that the Mages need someone who tries to represent their interest too, and his main intention was to reduce the number of suicides (his love committed suicidal – she burned herself). ("Knight-Commander Meredith was of the opinion that there was no need for a new First Enchanter as the Templars ran the Gallows with little interference from Maceron. Orsino realized that the mages would need someone to advocate on their behalf lest the Templars rob what few liberties they had left. Thus Orsino volunteered to be the First Enchanter, and the other senior enchanters rallied behind him. Some claim he became the youngest first enchanter to hold the position in Kirkwall not by his own merit, but because nobody else wanted it.")
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 12:49:44 GMT
Orsino wasn't a leader and never wanted to be. He only took the First Enchanter's position, because nobody else took that under Meredith, but he thought, that the Mages need someone who tries to represent their interest too, and his main intention was to reduce the number of suicides (his love committed suicidal – she burned herself). ("Knight-Commander Meredith was of the opinion that there was no need for a new First Enchanter as the Templars ran the Gallows with little interference from Maceron. Orsino realized that the mages would need someone to advocate on their behalf lest the Templars rob what few liberties they had left. Thus Orsino volunteered to be the First Enchanter, and the other senior enchanters rallied behind him. Some claim he became the youngest first enchanter to hold the position in Kirkwall not by his own merit, but because nobody else wanted it.") I stand corrected Catilina. I'll strike Orsino out. He was fighting a losing battle. From the Wikia you posted above: it is heartbreaking: Cannot understand how anyone can support the circles as they are. "Maud no longer cared and responded, "This is no life, Orsino". Maud fell to despair and one day she locked herself in her closet and committed suicide by self-immolation"Anders didn't have ANY delusions, everything that he said proved as true. His act may questionable, but he was right about everything: about the Circle, about the Templars, Meredith and Elthina, and about the violations of law in Kirkwall Circle.
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