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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 17, 2017 11:31:26 GMT
As 38 year old man...Im not afraid to admit I love BtVS and pretty much all things Joss Whedon.
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Post by Morrigan on May 17, 2017 11:38:31 GMT
As 38 year old man...Im not afraid to admit I love BtVS and pretty much all things Joss Whedon. Why the shame? It is the greatest show ever. Sex, gore, quips and friendship
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 17, 2017 11:51:02 GMT
As 38 year old man...Im not afraid to admit I love BtVS and pretty much all things Joss Whedon. Why the shame? It is the greatest show ever. Sex, gore, quips and friendship All of that is great, for sure, and action is always good. The thing that always stood out to me about Whedons style though is character development. The characters actually changed in believable, consistent ways. Like Willow as a perfect example. If you compare S1 Willow directly with S6 Willow youd be all 'wtf???' but if you see her character path unfold through the seasons between it makes total sense. Thats the work of incredible writing.
Plus, yes Star Trek started the trend a little with serialized story arcs, but Buffy was really the one that set the standard for how shows now, 20 years later, plan their seasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 13:12:40 GMT
It was a fun show, with a great cast... I miss it, actually. Angel too.
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Post by Heimdall on May 17, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
I actually preferred Angel, but I liked Buffy too.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 17, 2017 19:10:45 GMT
I actually preferred Angel, but I liked Buffy too. Really liked Angel as well, but for me it was always just a little too hard to define (although that may have been the point), whereas Buffy was a clear metaphor for the "horrors" of high school (and later University ). Either way, the Buffyverse had some of the best one-liners in television history.
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Post by Morrigan on May 17, 2017 19:44:07 GMT
I actually preferred Angel, but I liked Buffy too. Really liked Angel as well, but for me it was always just a little too hard to define (although that may have been the point), whereas Buffy was a clear metaphor for the "horrors" of high school (and later University ). Either way, the Buffyverse had some of the best one-liners in television history. I totally agree. Angel did not have that strong grounding, which was a problem. However, there is a lot to love about that show, too. They borrowed many great characters from Buffy: Cordy, Faith, Spike, Dru. They made Wesley awesome! The quips are great in both shows, of course. Why the shame? It is the greatest show ever. Sex, gore, quips and friendship All of that is great, for sure, and action is always good. The thing that always stood out to me about Whedons style though is character development. The characters actually changed in believable, consistent ways. Like Willow as a perfect example. If you compare S1 Willow directly with S6 Willow youd be all 'wtf???' but if you see her character path unfold through the seasons between it makes total sense. Thats the work of incredible writing.
Plus, yes Star Trek started the trend a little with serialized story arcs, but Buffy was really the one that set the standard for how shows now, 20 years later, plan their seasons.
You're right. The writing - especially the humour and characterisation - is amazing. There is a great deal of foreshadowing with Willow. Many of the traits that later became problematic was present with her from the start. It was a very natural and organic development. Same goes for Spike.
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Post by Heimdall on May 17, 2017 20:40:41 GMT
Really liked Angel as well, but for me it was always just a little too hard to define (although that may have been the point), whereas Buffy was a clear metaphor for the "horrors" of high school (and later University ). Either way, the Buffyverse had some of the best one-liners in television history. I totally agree. Angel did not have that strong grounding, which was a problem. However, there is a lot to love about that show, too. They borrowed many great characters from Buffy: Cordy, Faith, Spike, Dru. They made Wesley awesome! The quips are great in both shows, of course. And introduced a few of their own, like Fred and Lorn! The first season of Angel especially actually did have a bit of a post-school entering the real world thing going on, and I liked the film noire thing it had. And then Illyria stole my heart in the last few episodes
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 17, 2017 20:47:16 GMT
I totally agree. Angel did not have that strong grounding, which was a problem. However, there is a lot to love about that show, too. They borrowed many great characters from Buffy: Cordy, Faith, Spike, Dru. They made Wesley awesome! The quips are great in both shows, of course. And introduced a few of their own, like Fred and Lorn! The first season of Angel especially actually did have a bit of a post-school entering the real world thing going on, and I liked the film noire thing it had. And then Illyria stole my heart in the last few episodes Amy Acker's barely-controlled rage/grief in that final Angel episode was equal parts awesome and heartbreaking. The last vestiges of Fred influencing the emotions of a (stunted) Goddess/higher being was fantastic. "I wish to do more violence" .... Good times.
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Post by Morrigan on May 18, 2017 1:19:20 GMT
I totally agree. Angel did not have that strong grounding, which was a problem. However, there is a lot to love about that show, too. They borrowed many great characters from Buffy: Cordy, Faith, Spike, Dru. They made Wesley awesome! The quips are great in both shows, of course. And introduced a few of their own, like Fred and Lorn! The first season of Angel especially actually did have a bit of a post-school entering the real world thing going on, and I liked the film noire thing it had. And then Illyria stole my heart in the last few episodes Yes. The first season of Angel would have been pretty terrible without Cordelia. She gave the show its heart. There was a lot of great stuff later on. Buffy, though, manages to consistently be awesome through 7 seasons. "These endless days are finally ending in a blaze..." A bit melodramatic sometimes, but never not entertaining. And it knew how to be heart rendering or terrifying when it wanted to be.
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Post by Nightman on May 18, 2017 2:11:48 GMT
There can be only 1 Buffy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NOOOOOOO!!!!!
BURN IT!!!! BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!!@
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 18, 2017 21:53:16 GMT
Favourite episode/mini arc/seasons? My favourite mini arc is "Becoming", a season 2, 2 parter which is the thumbnail of the first video in the OP. Evil Angel summons Alcathla to swallow the world. "Poor Buffy, take away your friends, take away your weapons, what's left?" "Me." Boom. Favourite season is a harder one - and my choice might be an unpopular one - but the final season, when Willow summons all the potential Slayers.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 19, 2017 0:54:06 GMT
"I like this world. You've got dog racing, and Manchester United, and you've got people. Billions of people, wandering around, like Happy Meals with leg." Spike is awesome.
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Post by Morrigan on May 19, 2017 8:10:55 GMT
Favourite episode/mini arc/seasons? My favourite mini arc is "Becoming", a season 2, 2 parter which is the thumbnail of the first video in the OP. Evil Angel summons Alcathla to swallow the world. That is a very good choice. The Angel/Dru/Spike love triangle is amazing! I am going to give you a very sappy choice. Willow and Oz breaking up and Willow eventually choosing to be with Tara. So much pain and so much beauty. Favourite season is a harder one - and my choice might be an unpopular one - but the final season, when Willow summons all the potential Slayers. It is definitely an odd choice, but I am happy to see someone defend it. There is a lot to appreciate about it. I really love The Killer in Me. Heartwrenching and traumatic. The people who hate Kennedy should really get over themselves. She helped Willow get it together. Willow needed support from someone who neither guilt tripped her or indulged her sadness too much. I cannot chose a favourite season. They are all great.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 19, 2017 8:36:09 GMT
Favourite episode/mini arc/seasons? My favourite mini arc is "Becoming", a season 2, 2 parter which is the thumbnail of the first video in the OP. Evil Angel summons Alcathla to swallow the world. That is a very good choice. The Angel/Dru/Spike love triangle is amazing! I am going to give you a very sappy choice. Willow and Oz breaking up and Willow eventually choosing to be with Tara. So much pain and so much beauty. Favourite season is a harder one - and my choice might be an unpopular one - but the final season, when Willow summons all the potential Slayers. It is definitely an odd choice, but I am happy to see someone defend it. There is a lot to appreciate about it. I really love The Killer in Me. Heartwrenching and traumatic. The people who hate Kennedy should really get over themselves. She helped Willow get it together. Willow needed support from someone who neither guilt tripped her or indulged her sadness too much. I cannot chose a favourite season. They are all great. Drusilla....that girl was balls out crazy, but Spike just couldn't quit her. Until he earned his soul for Buffy. I can't remember the name of the episode, but the final battle with Adam, the Frankenstein freak of the...fourth? season. Can't help but wonder if Joss Whedon got the idea of Ultron's "heart" being ripped out in the 2nd Avengers movie from doing this episode. "You could never hope to grasp the source of our power, but yours is right here". And of course, from that season, the greatest Ep of all, "Hush". The child's chant of the Gentlemen is unnerving to this day.
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Post by Morrigan on May 19, 2017 11:37:56 GMT
Drusilla....that girl was balls out crazy, but Spike just couldn't quit her. Spike's loyalty to Dru and Buffy is so great. It makes his conversation to the "good" side believable, because he needs a powerful woman to worship. Dru is just madness, violence and endless femme fatale sex appeal. And of course, from that season, the greatest Ep of all, "Hush". The child's chant of the Gentlemen is unnerving to this day. Buffy could definitely be scary when it wanted. Hush is amazing. The Body is a work of art. Once More with Feeling is the ballsiest, craziest experiment that ever worked.
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Post by Heimdall on May 19, 2017 12:30:52 GMT
I was actually a latecomer to Buffy and watched Angel on its own first, so that might be why I have fewer favorite moments with it. Once More with Feeling was pure gold though Couldn't find a decent clip, but is it strange that this is one of my favorite Angel moments?
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Post by Morrigan on May 19, 2017 12:35:38 GMT
I was actually a latecomer to Buffy and watched Angel on its own first, so that might be why I have fewer favorite moments with it. Once More with Feeling was pure gold though Couldn't find a decent clip, but is it strange that this is one of my favorite Angel moments? That is a great moment. I love Lindsay. However... It does not beat Willow and Xander drooling over Giles.
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Post by Galactic Runner on May 19, 2017 23:30:43 GMT
Both Buffy and Angel were great.
Alyson Hannigan and Charisma Carpenter...WHEW!!
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Post by Morrigan on May 20, 2017 10:11:46 GMT
Both Buffy and Angel were great. Alyson Hannigan and Charisma Carpenter...WHEW!! Word! ... but you are forgetting the awesomeness that is Eliza Dushku and Amber Benson.
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