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Post by colfoley on Dec 26, 2018 0:51:55 GMT
Maybe a romanced Solas and his Inquisitor will ascend together or something, but him remaining on Thedas to live out his days as a normal elf is highly unlikely. If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Obviously I'm being overly dramatic but not any more dramatic than all the people who sees something worth redeeming in the egg, not to mention LOVE. Though then again I'm also dumb-founded how anyone can stick with Dorian, but at least with Dorian you can RP an Inquisitor who is mature enough to handle long distance relationships, have their own things to do and put up with Dorian's self-victimizing, emotionally manipulative, self-centered ways. For Solas? The only way I could ever romance him is with someone who makes it their freaking, QUEST, to demolish Solas for good and smash him into smithereens for what he did. But that's just me, that's just me, I'm not everyone. Obviously. meh anyone can be redeemed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 0:53:27 GMT
Maybe a romanced Solas and his Inquisitor will ascend together or something, but him remaining on Thedas to live out his days as a normal elf is highly unlikely. If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Obviously I'm being overly dramatic but not any more dramatic than all the people who sees something worth redeeming in the egg, not to mention LOVE. Though then again I'm also dumb-founded how anyone can stick with Dorian, but at least with Dorian you can RP an Inquisitor who is mature enough to handle long distance relationships, have their own things to do and put up with Dorian's self-victimizing, emotionally manipulative, self-centered ways. For Solas? The only way I could ever romance him is with someone who makes it their freaking, QUEST, to demolish Solas for good and smash him into smithereens for what he did. But that's just me, that's just me, I'm not everyone. Obviously. Yeah I think dying together would be best if you romanced him. If not, then I would hope my Inquisitor returns to her lover. My canon one married Cullen and dying because she tried to redeem her friend would be a terrible end for her. My Inquisitor sees the good in all and gives everyone a chance, but if they force her hand, she won't just let them walk all over her and the people she loves, and neither will the new protagonist who will have loved ones to fight for too. Dorian was very depressing. I hope those who romanced him who wanted to end up with him gain some proper closure or reunite for good in 4.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 26, 2018 1:20:13 GMT
Maybe a romanced Solas and his Inquisitor will ascend together or something, but him remaining on Thedas to live out his days as a normal elf is highly unlikely. If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Obviously I'm being overly dramatic but not any more dramatic than all the people who sees something worth redeeming in the egg, not to mention LOVE. Though then again I'm also dumb-founded how anyone can stick with Dorian, but at least with Dorian you can RP an Inquisitor who is mature enough to handle long distance relationships, have their own things to do and put up with Dorian's self-victimizing, emotionally manipulative, self-centered ways. For Solas? The only way I could ever romance him is with someone who makes it their freaking, QUEST, to demolish Solas for good and smash him into smithereens for what he did. But that's just me, that's just me, I'm not everyone. Obviously. But it's not just Solasmancers that have a chance to redeem him And it's not just friends - anybody who has minimum approval with him can be offered a redemption path. And, given how Solas is portrayed (which is not just doom and gloom as interpreted here), he does appear to be a material for redemption treatment. To put it simply: I'd be surprised if Bioware has given us the option just to troll us. IMO, the redemption path may turn out to be more interesting out of the two, specifically because having faith in Solas's humanity is already a path full of trials and a questionable choice on a surface level - though I also expect for the 'kill the bastard' route to have its very own... complications... to balance things out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 1:25:34 GMT
If I learned one thing from playing Bethesda games and RDR2, it's that your ending choices are more limited than in a BW game (the one thing they do better is side quests and companions in my opinion). I expect Solas will have a different ending to benefit romancers, friends and enemies, but how that will work is a loss on me until we learn more. I opting for redemption with death as a last resort unless Solas really angers me in 4.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 26, 2018 1:25:36 GMT
If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Obviously I'm being overly dramatic but not any more dramatic than all the people who sees something worth redeeming in the egg, not to mention LOVE. Though then again I'm also dumb-founded how anyone can stick with Dorian, but at least with Dorian you can RP an Inquisitor who is mature enough to handle long distance relationships, have their own things to do and put up with Dorian's self-victimizing, emotionally manipulative, self-centered ways. For Solas? The only way I could ever romance him is with someone who makes it their freaking, QUEST, to demolish Solas for good and smash him into smithereens for what he did. But that's just me, that's just me, I'm not everyone. Obviously. meh anyone can be redeemed. We are not talking about your average joe who drinks too much and doesn't take out the garbage, but yeah, maybe, okay, we'll see.
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Post by Steelcan on Dec 26, 2018 3:37:36 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that there won't be an alternative to killing him, at least not one that is narratively satisfying. BioWare does have a tradition of letting us convince the big bad to kill themselves though, in ME at least so that is one option, and DA:O did let us give Loghain a shot at redemption. I'm not sure Solas merits such an honor, nor do I think he would accept life as a warden or anything similar, but its a possibility as well.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 26, 2018 3:47:06 GMT
meh anyone can be redeemed. We are not talking about your average joe who drinks too much and doesn't take out the garbage, but yeah, maybe, okay, we'll see. We are not. But we are talking about the guy who saved the world once already (it wasn't perfect, but things point to the alternative being worse) and we don't yet know full motives behind his actions yet. Dunno, maybe it's about saving something yet again that goes way beyond a bunch of ancient elves? And I have to wonder what would happen if it turned out if our protagonist is not given much in terms of 'heroic' choices? Would they deserve redemption if it turned out that they had to do something ugly to avoid something worse??
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Post by Lazarillo on Dec 26, 2018 5:08:25 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that there won't be an alternative to killing him, at least not one that is narratively satisfying. BioWare does have a tradition of letting us convince the big bad to kill themselves though, in ME at least so that is one option, and DA:O did let us give Loghain a shot at redemption. I'm not sure Solas merits such an honor, nor do I think he would accept life as a warden or anything similar, but its a possibility as well. Solas already had a second chance after blowing up the world. It's called "right now when he's planning to use that second chance to blow up the world again."
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 26, 2018 5:14:00 GMT
If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Obviously I'm being overly dramatic but not any more dramatic than all the people who sees something worth redeeming in the egg, not to mention LOVE. Though then again I'm also dumb-founded how anyone can stick with Dorian, but at least with Dorian you can RP an Inquisitor who is mature enough to handle long distance relationships, have their own things to do and put up with Dorian's self-victimizing, emotionally manipulative, self-centered ways. For Solas? The only way I could ever romance him is with someone who makes it their freaking, QUEST, to demolish Solas for good and smash him into smithereens for what he did. But that's just me, that's just me, I'm not everyone. Obviously. meh anyone can be redeemed. Springtime for Hitler.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 26, 2018 5:17:37 GMT
Solas either inspires love or hate but I'm jut meh about him and his story. I want to stop him but beyond that I don't care what happens to him. He just stays in his room making pictures with his crayons, paints or whatever.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 26, 2018 7:51:52 GMT
We are not talking about your average joe who drinks too much and doesn't take out the garbage, but yeah, maybe, okay, we'll see. We are not. But we are talking about the guy who saved the world once already (it wasn't perfect, but things point to the alternative being worse) and we don't yet know full motives behind his actions yet. Dunno, maybe it's about saving something yet again that goes way beyond a bunch of ancient elves? And I have to wonder what would happen if it turned out if our protagonist is not given much in terms of 'heroic' choices? Would they deserve redemption if it turned out that they had to do something ugly to avoid something worse, I wonder? Well I am hoping that the redemption angle is a big theme of the game...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 9:04:39 GMT
Well some sort of redemptive shiz is going to go down in Minrathous one of these days:
The sins of creation are redeemed(14) “All sins are forgiven! All crimes pardoned! Let no soul harbor guilt! Let no soul hunger for justice! By the Maker’s will I decree Harmony in all things. Let Balance be restored And the world given eternal life.”
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2018 10:47:31 GMT
If by ascend together you mean die together, then yes. I can't wait for Bioware to make all the Solasmancers not only suffer, but to lose their Inquisitor in the process because of their loyalty to Solas. The man hurts you, breaks your heart, manipulates your organization and you, and then goes on a quest to kill all your friends, your family AND you, and you STILL see anything good in him? No no, death will be part of your ending too dear! Whilst I wouldn't put it past them to be that cruel to Solasmancers, it has to be remembered that some of the biggest Solasmancers are on the team, so they will suffer too. Plus PW said that originally Solas was going to be an obviously shifty character, more in keeping with the Dalish view of him but then they decided to change that and try to make him a character you could sympathise with and the romance was written with that end in mind. So it would be hard if they deliberately set him up as someone you could sympathise with and want to save, only to punish you for feeling that way. I know people who did not romance him but still want to save him because they liked his character. I had already gone through the DAI romance when I discovered that apparently I was just being used for character development, which I must admit I resented because Solas was my first play through and I ended the game feeling very depressed at how he had treated my girl (and that was without Trespasser). However, I've stuck with her as being totally devoted to him and convinced he is redeemable because it probably does give me some totally different options going forward from my other PCs who were merely friends. However, my canon PC was my second play through, a male Dalish elf who initially liked Solas but is now dead against him because of his professed plan to destroy everything that my Lavellan cares for. In fact he barely recognised the Solas who said these things to him as the elf he admired previously. It seems to him that everything Solas claimed to believe in was just a charade so he doesn't even know what to believe of him now. As a side issue, I also sort of resent that the Dalish were made to look like idiots for remembering nothing of what happened concerning the Dread Wolf's rebellion, except a folk tale that is so obviously about him, and then be told that actually changing his persona from a confimed trickster to a tragic hero was a late development. With so much ridicule and derision being dumped on the Dalish by Solas and others, to be honest what I'd really like to do would be able to redeem the Dalish by showing they were in fact totally correct in not trusting him and coming out on top in the end. However, with the hatchet job that has been done on them up to now, more likely they are going to be the sacrificial victims whatever the outcome. Maryden's song in Trespasser even foreshadows this.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 26, 2018 12:23:12 GMT
If we follow Reaper logic, killing Solas could be saving him. Are you sure? Since Bioware favored the green, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the elf try to sweet talk his way to convincing the main character that by helping him, it will fix the world's problem's. He might even say by joining him, that it would be the final evolution of all life.
I don't care about the elf. The moment he said this world will be destroyed, any friendship, if there was any, went out the window. He's six cans short of a 6-pack. Heck he might be welcomed by Leviathan junior. Even if there are other options to stopping him without killing him, I will always kill him.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 26, 2018 12:32:43 GMT
Just because someone can be redeemed doesn't necessarily mean they should be redeemed.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 26, 2018 12:45:55 GMT
I doubt BioWare would ever do this, it's never been their m-o when it comes to main villians. However, it could be interesting if there was a option to join him.
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 26, 2018 13:06:51 GMT
Hmm. The only real problem I see with joining him would be the difference between world states. If this was to conclude current DA story (not necessarily all of DA) then I'd see it. But not if DA5 is on the horizon.
Unless they find a way to minimize the damages from removing the veil, or simply weaken it. Or a middle ground solution of some kind that allows ancient elves to return but doesn't completely destroy the current world. I can easily see this being on the table, but a hard to get ending of sorts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 13:42:29 GMT
Teaming up with Solas for one last battle against another enemy would be pretty nice, but joining him in ending Thedas would likely not be an option, unless BW pulled a "shoot the kid" choice and by joining him, we get an immediate game over. I really could see that happening after the unique option you can get in Trespasser with him if you hated him. Shortest and most anti-climactic reveal ever!
As for us Solasmancers, Solas was not a planned romance from the start and when they went through with it, they wanted it to be with an elf female only for story reasons, so I think joining him could be an option, but since we won't likely be playing as our Inquisitor again, it might be something that happens that we can't control or maybe based on actions or choices, we lead our Inquisitor to her fate ourselves by convincing her or discouraging her. I just wonder how BW plans to do this for romancers and good friends of Solas if we are not playing our Inquisitor again. How can we as another character connect to Solas in a role playing way if we are not his friend too?
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 26, 2018 15:37:45 GMT
We should give Bioware more credit here I think. In face of complex and layered characters they have done relatively well. Loghain and Anders were treated good. The options were there for how people felt about them, and sympathy was on the table. And I think Anders is closer to Solas here as your protagonist not only can romance him but tell him he expects nothing less than overthrowing the Templars during the game and that they should prepare for war. They proceed to support him in the effort and escape from the city. Later on its revealed in the DA:I that Hawke and Anders visited many circles and helped them rebel. So not only you can disband Templars and give mages freedom, its revealed that Hawke and Anders played a large part in it. So there is a happy ending, provided Hakwe lives. The problem however is that removing the veil is a much more significant issue than giving mages freedom.
There is one instance where they butchered everything however, and that was with the illusive man in ME. But hopefully that will not happen in DA.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2018 15:56:12 GMT
Later on its revealed in the DA:I that Hawke and Anders visited many circles and helped them rebel. So not only you can disband Templars and give mages freedom, its revealed that Hawke and Anders played a large part in it Sorry, where does it say this? Part of my disappointment with how they used Anders is that his contribution to the whole rebellion was downplayed (partly because the DA2 DLC where this should have happened was cancelled). David Gaider wrote an entire novel to give an explanation for the rebellion that didn't really involve Anders or Hawke. Instead Fiona became the de facto leader of the rebel cause and the main motivator causing it to happen. It really rendered everything that Anders did irrelevant because whilst it resulted in a crackdown by the Templars that increased tension in the Circles, it was Fiona repeatedly calling for independence from the Chantry that actually lit the blue touch-paper some 2 years after the events in Kirkwall. The problem however is that removing the veil is a much more significant issue than giving mages freedom. Much more significant. Anders blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry had a questionable morality but he wasn't knowingly trying to bring about an end of the world, even if Varric did say if you side with the Templars that you are defending "our way of life", whilst supporting the mages was letting "dangerous people run amoke". Definitely did not agree with Varric on that one as to me supporting the mages at the end of DA2 was preventing the unjust execution of people for a crime they did not commit (even Sebastian understood that one).
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 26, 2018 16:03:16 GMT
Sorry, where does it say this? Part of my disappointment with how they used Anders is that his contribution to the whole rebellion was downplayed (partly because the DA2 DLC where this should have happened was cancelled). David Gaider wrote an entire novel to give an explanation for the rebellion that didn't really involve Anders or Hawke. Instead Fiona became the de facto leader of the rebel cause and the main motivator causing it to happen. It really rendered everything that Anders did irrelevant because whilst it resulted in a crackdown by the Templars that increased tension in the Circles, it was Fiona repeatedly calling for independence from the Chantry that actually lit the blue touch-paper some 2 years after the events in Kirkwall. It requires for Hawke to romance Anders and approve of chantry's destruction in the keep. If these requirements are met, a codex is changed to reflect this (the one about Hawke I believe) and Hawke also talks about doing that with Anders if you ask about it. Because Anders CAN die in DA2 and also because they decided to not have any of love interests with screen time, it couldn't be Anders or Hawke since Hakwe may fully disagree as awell. Instead the Easter egg is there for anyone who imported the right dragon age keep but its better than nothing.
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Post by ellawyn on Dec 26, 2018 16:25:36 GMT
You know, Solasmancers get a lot of crap for liking an abusive relationship, but tbh the people who violently loathe Solas unsettle me way more. At least Solavellans don't have disconcertingly detailed fantasies about how we'll torture and eventually execute someone.
As for the rest of it - The Veil is coming down, no question, no matter what we do. There's too much in the narrative thus far that demands it - particularly Sandal's prophecy about how exactly that thing will happen. The Solas arc will end in the Veil being torn down - either because he went through with it, or we talked him down but someone else went through with it, or hell, maybe they do let us join him. Regardless, I'm near dead-certain that it's going to happen, and the next game will be learning the new world.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 26, 2018 16:37:04 GMT
You know, Solasmancers get a lot of crap for liking an abusive relationship, but tbh the people who violently loathe Solas unsettle me way more. At least Solavellans don't have disconcertingly detailed fantasies about how we'll torture and eventually execute someone.
As for the rest of it - The Veil is coming down, no question, no matter what we do. There's too much in the narrative thus far that demands it - particularly Sandal's prophecy about how exactly that thing will happen. The Solas arc will end in the Veil being torn down - either because he went through with it, or we talked him downBut But when someone wants to kill billions...
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 26, 2018 16:38:57 GMT
You know, Solasmancers get a lot of crap for liking an abusive relationship, but tbh the people who violently loathe Solas unsettle me way more. At least Solavellans don't have disconcertingly detailed fantasies about how we'll torture and eventually execute someone. According to AO3, there are 367 fanfics of Solas x Female Lavellan that include graphic depictions of violence, and 58 that include rape/non-con. So... you know. Regardless, the veil will come down. It'd be a shame if it didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 16:40:02 GMT
I got a very strong impression that killing everyone is not what he wants, but what he feels he must do and sees no other option, and a befriended Solas will want you to prove him wrong about destroying the world, so to me, it sounds like he wants us to stop him, but doubts we have the power to do it.
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