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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 5:54:51 GMT
What's with all these females in video games and movies and stuff these day? Why on earth do we need so many females? Discuss. Preferably with pictures. Because the pendulum swings. First it was all men, now is the time of women, but the pendulum will swing back and it will be all men again. So it is with all things in nature, its all a never ending back and forth. I seriously doubt that. I mean, if that would come to pass I think some men would complain. Well, the straight ones anyway. Ok. Let me explain something to you. When you are a man, there is a certain level of horniness that it is wired into the back of your mind. It's how you function. And some women appeal to that for profit. Everyone from actors to video game artists to sex workers. So, if a woman voluntarily objectifies herself for one reason or another, I'm not going to feel bad about her being objectified. I'm not complaining that women in games can be hot or that actresses wear skimpy clothing. I tend to get my own enjoyment out of that (not in that way those who are from THAT thread) but im complaint about the way men en mass let that affect real women and how they talk to and treat women. And that it's not some games and some hot girls it's every female hero. We don't have much to look up to without worrying how we look. And not only are they hot they draw attention to how hot they are all the time. Showing off more legs or more body. Having male characters discuss it or females envy or grope each other. If you don't feel hot or don't happen to have big boobs sometimes you don't feel like you can be as great as female heroes. Thats all ~ You can also turn that around and apply it to men too. Not all men look likes this after all: Also, in terms of heroism, do looks really matter? Sugar I'm not sure what you're talking about but to be fair I assumed grooming was like doing hair and cleaning up. Speaking of there are some hairstyles I want to try out and I found a few thst work with my bangs (which I don't plan on changing) Should I post the female ladies in here? You far less corrupted and cynical by reality then I am. Whenever I hear grooming, I think of pedophilia.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 6:05:43 GMT
@theloneshadow I know that not all men look like that and I directly addressed that just a few posts before what you quoted. That it happens to man is no reason to ignore that it happens to women. T doesn't negate it. And since it happening to women leaves a stronger and more negative societal impact, I'm talking about this one right now. It is a females everywhere topic after all.
Oh also I mean honestly I didn't know fetishes was a thing until recently (like year or so ago) so I didn't know there was a kid fetish. I thought oedophiles did that stuff to cause pain and that people actually enjoying kids that way was just scary stories. It just so wrong I don't want to think about it in detail. But I certainly never heard grooming mean that. Still don't quite understand I but I'm too scared of conflict so I kinda didn't get too into it. Umm yes. I didn't expect it would be a think people had like a actual preference for.
I don't like that.
Anyway not the point of why we're here lol
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 6:12:56 GMT
Blaine was pink and Patricia was blue.
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Post by Red on May 31, 2017 6:18:54 GMT
Best females tbh I will not say which, but two of them can fly. I mean, three of them.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on May 31, 2017 6:30:39 GMT
Obviously there's not enough representation until someone EXACTLY like me gets to punch Lex Luthor in the face. Get to it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 31, 2017 9:00:15 GMT
The lead actress is terrible, and I'm not talking about her acting but her looks. Wonder Woman should look capable, Gadot looks like a regular skinny girl. Maybe that is what they were going for, but it still sucks. Thats not Wonder Woman. Oh, jeez, you're one of those? You do know she was in the Israeli Defense force for two years and her training regimen for Wonder Woman is allegedly even more intense? screenrant.com/wonder-woman-gal-gadot-training-military/Sorry she's not a powerlifter, but come on. Powerlifter? Gotta love slippery slope arguments. Warriors need to look their part, like in Man of steel with Henry Cavil. He looked more capable and special than the average man, because he definitely was, it was the goal to make him look very powerful. Cavil did a hard (natural!) training regime for a year and a strict diet to look like a warrior from another planet. Gal Gadot instead simply walked in and said ''sure lets do this.'', and she looks perfectly average with a mildly nice head screwed onto her neck. Thats lazy. In fact, I'd go so far as to say its sexism that they made sure that Henry Cavil Superman looked his part but did not care to bother with Gadot as Wonder Woman. If Wonder Woman was Wonder Man they would have made sure that he looked like a fit dude, no? But she is a woman so who gives a fuck about that, right? Most of the time Wonder Woman has been portrayed as a very fit shapely woman in the comics. Gal Gadot is nothing like that. I mean, what is this? (BTW the new costume is trash too)
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Post by o Ventus on May 31, 2017 12:28:30 GMT
My favorite female vocalist in metal also she cute as fuck 10/10 would let her scream at me
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Post by o Ventus on May 31, 2017 12:32:05 GMT
Best females tbh Please, Chi-Chi and Bulma are second-rate. Videl is okay, and 18 is top-notch, but Puar is the one true waifu.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 31, 2017 13:34:04 GMT
Gal Gadot instead simply walked in and said ''sure lets do this.'' Gotta love not even reading the link I posted. Or my reply to another poster that already dealt with any other points you've brought up. But hey You do you. And the costume is fine, typical moviefication of a superhero costume, especially this set of DC movies. They kept (some of) the design but toned down the colors. YMMV but I don't have a problem with it.
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Post by Serza on May 31, 2017 13:40:55 GMT
Why are there so many females? For one reason. That all you see?
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Post by sjpelke on May 31, 2017 13:46:48 GMT
I personally like games where there is a good story for both male and female characters. When it comes to strong females, The Witcher provided that. oi58.tinypic.com/313i1y1.jpg
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 31, 2017 13:52:56 GMT
My favorite female vocalist in metal also she cute as fuck 10/10 would let her scream at me Ok first off, I'm about as "surface" to metal as it gets so if you want to disregard the following opinion, that's just the way it is. She's attractive but I can't stand female growling/screaming vocals. I'm not crazy about dudes doing it either but if it's really deep, it gets a pass as part of the sound (I dislike the screaming end of that spectrum regardless of sex). Just not my thing. Give me a a clean singing siren over the beats any day. I have heard her sing clean too though and she does sound good. But I can't say "siren" and "metal" without posting: And though I'm a purist for Tarja's operatic sound I won't deny Floor Jansen ain't nothing to shake a stick at visually or musically either: And someone I discovered last year (because of TSG actually): Mizuho Lin Obviously the "blue hair in metal" thing was borrowed and I'm not gonna say the band is anything special, but she has a really nice voice. Maybe not as powerful as what's already been posted, but she's good.
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Post by o Ventus on May 31, 2017 14:07:36 GMT
My favorite female vocalist in metal also she cute as fuck 10/10 would let her scream at me Ok first off, I'm about as "surface" to metal as it gets so if you want to disregard the following opinion, that's just the way it is. She's attractive but I can't stand female growling/screaming vocals. I'm not crazy about dudes doing it either but if it's really deep, it gets a pass as part of the sound (I dislike the screaming end of that spectrum regardless of sex). Just not my thing. Give me a a clean singing siren over the beats any day. I have heard her sing clean too though and she does sound good. That's fine, everybody has preferences. I personally don't mind screaming if it fits the instrumentals, and if the singer actually knows how to enunciate clearly when they do their screaming. Alissa, I feel, is adept at the latter, I never have a hard time understanding what she's saying. I do dislike the shrill, shrieky screams that some singers do, that shit literally sounds like nails on a chalkboard. Alissa can growl pretty deep and guttural, but that's more along the standard since any half decent growl already comes from the belly and the diaphragm, which makes them deep by default, but from my experience it does seem like Alissa can go deeper than other women. I do agree that her clean vocals are very good too, she should use them more often.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 31, 2017 14:20:28 GMT
Gotta love not even reading the link I posted. I did. The Israeli mandatory military service is a joke, its more like one of those boot camps for 14 year olds that learn to shoot and have a nice campfire after compared to a lot of other countries military services. Mandatory military service is really nothing to boast about or write down in your curriculum vitae in most countries. Especially if you are a woman. I have seen how women were treated in our military - and others- and boy. No comparison whatsoever. Pure sexism starting at push ups till to the actual firing exercises. I've been in the military service and its really not something to write home about because standards are so low that virtually everyone makes it through without improving themselves noticeably. Special ops or other specialty branches is something completely different though, thats were shit gets real. Thats something that demands respect and you can boast with. I don't have time to track down all your comments, especially those that are not direct answers to mine - but I read them anyway. Thats why actors are actors, they are paid to match the interesting and outlandish characters they have to portray as closely as possible, this includes visually. Superman with Cavil tried hard and it looked great. Christian Bale in batman did a wonderful job, he also did starve himself for the role in The Machinist ending up weighing 54kg for the role. Thats acting! Gal Gadot did not even try, they simply went with an out of the box version of her, despite the obvious visual discrepancy. Comic book version Wonder Woman is absolutely achievable naturally, most women at least halfway serious about lifting or cross fit already look like her. Its as easily achievable as those physiques of the protagonist in the movies I just mentioned. Wonder Woman in the books is not really idealized the same way as many other female characters, which is one of the things that make her Wonder-Woman. The producers failing to recognize that surely had an impact on the quality of the movie, especially for the fans. A movie is a visual media. Complaining about her looks which does not match the character she is supposed to portray is a very valid criticism. Denying that would be ridiculous. Yeah thats mostly taste, but I think they've strayed too far from the original comic outfit, that outfit in combination with her looks makes her not very recognizable.
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Post by o Ventus on May 31, 2017 15:03:00 GMT
Gal Gadot is definitely too dainty to be Wonder Woman, IMO. Her face is fine, but she isn't bulky enough. Wonder Woman, to me, looks her best when Frank Cho draws her. Toned, well-muscled, but with bust and with an actual ass. I mean, Wonder Woman is a warrior, but she's also described as the world's most beautiful woman. Gal Gadot is pretty, but I don't think of her when I think of "world's most beautiful woman." Granted, actually fulfilling this criterion would be impossible since that can never be gauged, but Gal Gadot isn't bulky enough to be Diana IMO, and she's as flat as a board in the boob and butt.
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Post by jaison1986 on May 31, 2017 15:28:26 GMT
I actually have a problem with both Gadot's face and body build. I find it to be rather lacking, and for a warrior, she is not intimidating in the slightest. I think someone of this port would have fitted the role much better.
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Post by o Ventus on May 31, 2017 15:30:31 GMT
I actually have a problem with both Gadot's face and body build. I find it to be rather lacking, and for a warrior, she is not intimidating in the slightest. I think someone of this port would have fitted the role much better. Gina Carano should be in everything IMO. She played Angel Dust in Deadpool.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 31, 2017 15:31:12 GMT
CrutchCricket, you lost your majesty! 3 male celebrities here say Gal Gadot was a weak Wonderwoman.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 31, 2017 15:33:41 GMT
Speaking about lovely "females"
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 31, 2017 16:12:49 GMT
I did. The Israeli mandatory military service is a joke, its more like one of those boot camps for 14 year olds that learn to shoot and have a nice campfire after compared to a lot of other countries military services. Mandatory military service is really nothing to boast about or write down in your curriculum vitae in most countries. Especially if you are a woman. I have seen how women were treated in our military - and others- and boy. No comparison whatsoever. Pure sexism starting at push ups till to the actual firing exercises. I've been in the military service and its really not something to write home about because standards are so low that virtually everyone makes it through without improving themselves noticeably. Special ops or other specialty branches is something completely different though, thats were shit gets real. Thats something that demands respect and you can boast with. That's some claim- got sources on it? You may have done military service but that doesn't mean your experiences will be the same as those from another country, though there may be several common elements. Meanwhile a quick bit of googling: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-of-women-in-idf-combat-unitswww.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/25/womens-combat-roles-in-israel-defense-forces-exagg/A bit of a mixed bag. On one hand womens' role in the IDF appears to have been increasing since 2000, on the other hand part of that may be exaggerated. Still, as the only country that has mandatory service for women, it's still something to consider. I never claimed it was comparable to SF. But I doubt it was the Boy (or in this case Girl) Scouts either. As for Gadot herself, she was a fitness instructor in the Army, teaching gymnastics and calistethics and reportedly ran seven miles every day in boot camp. www.justjared.com/2015/08/28/gal-gadot-ran-7-miles-a-day-while-in-the-israeli-army/www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/29/gal-gadot-s-wonder-woman-a-hamas-bashing-ex-idf-soldier-and-former-miss-israelThen of course, you still haven't addressed her training for the role which she describes as more intense than her army days: "I was training for six months prior to the shoots, and six hours a day. I did two hours [of] gym work, two hours [of] fight choreography and one and a half hours – two hours horseback riding, which is super hard! When people used to tell me, “Yeah, I do sport, I ride horses,” I was like, “That’s not sport, the horse does everything.” But no! You’ll be surprised, it’s so painful." Maybe that's not impressive to you because you lift giant boulders when you're bored, but as a mere mortal, I for one give her respect. Thats why actors are actors, they are paid to match the interesting and outlandish characters they have to portray as closely as possible, this includes visually. Superman with Cavil tried hard and it looked great. Christian Bale in batman did a wonderful job, he also did starve himself for the role in The Machinist ending up weighing 54kg for the role. Thats acting! No, that's being a little unhinged. "Method actors" like Bale or Daniel Day-Lewis aren't the rule, they're very much the trying too hard exception. Don't get me wrong, they turn out brilliant performances. But to hold that level of obsession as the standard for all acting? No, thanks. Acting's been around since the ancient times, but it's only been this century that the "torture yourself for art" fad has been a thing. Comic book version Wonder Woman is absolutely achievable naturally, most women at least halfway serious about lifting or cross fit already look like her. Its as easily achievable as those physiques of the protagonist in the movies I just mentioned. Yeah sorry, I'm still not condemning her for simply not lifting when she's clearly putting the work in for the practical physicality the role requires and has a history of doing so. And unless you know of some SF chick waiting to break out into acting (there probably are such women but hey, getting "discovered" is a whole other hurdle) I don't think you'll get a worthier actress to play Wonder Woman. I don't think some rando powerlifter is a better deal. And you of all people should know you can easily (relatively) get muscles for show. Didn't I see you chastize another user over that some time ago? Wonder Woman in the books is not really idealized the same way as many other female characters, which is one of the things that make her Wonder-Woman. The producers failing to recognize that surely had an impact on the quality of the movie, especially for the fans. lol are we talking about the same character here? I can't say I'm a super fan of Wonder Woman but look through some of the earlier comics where Wonder Woman always ends up tied up for some reason (her one weakness, being bound by a man). www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/03/why-early-wonder-woman-was-a-champion-of-feminism-and-bondage/So yeah I guess technically you're right. She wasn't idealized the same way as other female superheroes. But she wasn't exactly 100% empowerment either. Yeah, yeah it was the times. Still though. A movie is a visual media. Complaining about her looks which does not match the character she is supposed to portray is a very valid criticism. Denying that would be ridiculous. You know, I don't see any references to Lynda Carter being a lifter either. Are you gonna claim she doesn't "match the look" either? As a guy only passably interested, I can safely claim Wonder Woman ain't about brawn. If they make a She-Hulk movie then yeah I'm with you. Get a lifter or a wrestler, assuming you don't GCI her Hulk form. But the empowerment WW is supposed to represent has nearly fuck all to do with physicality beyond that being merely the first symbolization of it you see. And from what I can tell from my five minute googlings Gal Gadot is about as empowering an actress as you can get for the role. I can only chuckle at writing her off because "skinny shaming".
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 31, 2017 16:14:36 GMT
CrutchCricket , you lost your majesty! 3 male celebrities here say Gal Gadot was a weak Wonderwoman. Relevant:
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on May 31, 2017 16:29:55 GMT
Powerlifter? Gotta love slippery slope arguments. Warriors need to look their part, like in Man of steel with Henry Cavil. He looked more capable and special than the average man, because he definitely was, it was the goal to make him look very powerful. Cavil did a hard (natural!) training regime for a year and a strict diet to look like a warrior from another planet. Gal Gadot instead simply walked in and said ''sure lets do this.'', and she looks perfectly average with a mildly nice head screwed onto her neck. Thats lazy. In fact, I'd go so far as to say its sexism that they made sure that Henry Cavil Superman looked his part but did not care to bother with Gadot as Wonder Woman. If Wonder Woman was Wonder Man they would have made sure that he looked like a fit dude, no? But she is a woman so who gives a fuck about that, right? Most of the time Wonder Woman has been portrayed as a very fit shapely woman in the comics. Gal Gadot is nothing like that. [snip] I do agree that Gal is a bit too thin as compared to how I thought wonder woman should look but it's a pretty subjective issue and I personally think she's doing a pretty good job. I also loved the movie costume with the Greek hoplite references and actually prefer it to the typical one piece attire which looks ridiculous to fight in. As for the highlighted portion of your reply, you don't know that and it's wrong to assume that she didn't put any effort into the role. AFAIK she did train extensively for the role and strength is not directly related to size either. If you look at people who actually fight on some professional level, such as UFC fighters, most of them aren't really super muscly. Peak physical condition, yes but jacked up like a comic book hero, no. Nate Diaz for example might look scrawny but you bet your ass he's a bad motherfucker. The other thing is that, it's a superhero movie with magic and unnatural strength. At the level of strength she has, needing to be more built or muscled isn't really an issue because of the disproportionate amount of strength on display here. And I believe that Gal has enacted her role believably enough that she looks really cool in the stunt scenes and looking cool is everything
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