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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2018 21:56:08 GMT
So, I'd already confessed that I'd named my Roomba Anders, but I related this to another forum friend who also knows Dragon Age. And she said they'd have named a Roomba Oghren, due to being a bumbling drunk. Then I said, Just imagine the Oghren Roomba getting tangled up in some raggedy pants. It'd stop and say, "Error! Schleets! Error! Schleets!"I have no shame.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Feb 26, 2018 22:07:03 GMT
The first time I played the Qunari attack in DA2 I saw an enemy called Sten and thought I had to kill the guy from the first game.
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Post by melbella on Feb 27, 2018 1:14:51 GMT
The first time I played the Qunari attack in DA2 I saw an enemy called Sten and thought I had to kill the guy from the first game.
Me too! But then I saw another one and realized, oh, that wasn't STEN Sten.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 27, 2018 1:55:28 GMT
The first time I played the Qunari attack in DA2 I saw an enemy called Sten and thought I had to kill the guy from the first game. But Sten said in the Origin, his name means his role in the Qun... anyway, to see many Sten in DA2 at the first time was disturbing...
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 27, 2018 4:55:31 GMT
So I'm really curious, but, man, has everyone else already realized what a self-righteous windbag Ser Cauthrien is, and I'm just late to the party?
As a player, I always think it's more fun to pick the non-violent options, so I pretty much always spare her and roll my eyes a bit at a few of her comments, But maybe I just was never really paying attention because my mind was already made up, or maybe in my latest Origins play, I was just doing a really good job getting into character, 'cause she pissed me off so freaking much.
That she blindly follows Loghain's most despicable acts while constantly talking about "honor" and "loyalty" just makes her worse than him, even. Like, it's clear Loghain considers his actions, even if he does bad things. Cauthrien just blindly goes along with it all with a shrug of her shoulders, and then has the nerve to claim the moral high ground in conversations.
I just can't believe I never saw it before.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 27, 2018 7:04:14 GMT
So I'm really curious, but, man, has everyone else already realized what a self-righteous windbag Ser Cauthrien is, and I'm just late to the party? I noticed this on my most recent playthrough. I always disliked her, but it wasn't until just recently that i noticed just how awful she is. During the initial confrontation with her, I always make sure the entire party beats her to a pulp before I get sent to Fort Drakon. (That mission is too fun to just skip.) I dont even try to take the peaceful rout with her anymore.
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Post by Raga on Feb 27, 2018 19:44:01 GMT
So I'm really curious, but, man, has everyone else already realized what a self-righteous windbag Ser Cauthrien is, and I'm just late to the party? As a player, I always think it's more fun to pick the non-violent options, so I pretty much always spare her and roll my eyes a bit at a few of her comments, But maybe I just was never really paying attention because my mind was already made up, or maybe in my latest Origins play, I was just doing a really good job getting into character, 'cause she pissed me off so freaking much. That she blindly follows Loghain's most despicable acts while constantly talking about "honor" and "loyalty" just makes her worse than him, even. Like, it's clear Loghain considers his actions, even if he does bad things. Cauthrien just blindly goes along with it all with a shrug of her shoulders, and then has the nerve to claim the moral high ground in conversations. I just can't believe I never saw it before. I used to try to take the peaceful option with her but when she tries to justify mass torture and enslaving elves basically because "It's really *your* fault because if you hadn't have fought back Loghain wouldn't have had to do those things" I was done. No, lady, that's all on Loghain. Time for a dirt nap.
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Post by phoray on Mar 1, 2018 1:16:25 GMT
That she blindly follows Loghain's most despicable acts while constantly talking about "honor" and "loyalty" just makes her worse than him, even. Like, it's clear Loghain considers his actions, even if he does bad things. Cauthrien just blindly goes along with it all with a shrug of her shoulders, and then has the nerve to claim the moral high ground in conversations. 3 times straight I talked (persuade) her down. But my 4th Warden, a mage, was imperious and aggressive and tried to Intimidate her down. That's when I realized that she was aware of all of it. Of the slavery, or Howe's torturing of the nobles, and she believed in all of it because she believed Loghain was the right man to rule Fereldan. That she dies before I kill Loghain instead of after is a shame. She should see him fall.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Mar 3, 2018 19:10:54 GMT
The main thing I always notice at the beginning of Inquisition is that some Inquisitors have dirty hands and some don't.
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Post by mikoto on Mar 5, 2018 19:52:59 GMT
I always have real difficulty keeping Cauthrien alive, even when I've maxed out my coercion skill.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 8, 2018 12:59:54 GMT
Does anyone here think the Warden should deal with Zevran and Loghain the same way? They're both characters who try to kill you, are defeated and then you have the option to either kill or recruit them.
I'd like to kill Zevran and recruit Loghain, but I'm not sure if I could justify the different treatment.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 8, 2018 13:07:03 GMT
Does anyone here think the Warden should deal with Zevran and Loghain the same way? They're both characters who try to kill you, are defeated and then you have the option to either kill or recruit them. I'd like to kill Zevran and recruit Loghain, but I'm not sure if I could justify the different treatment. Zevran just a poor assassin (true, can be still dangerous – or can be useful [he knows the enemy], so: it depends), but Loghain's a powerful politician. If one of them deserves to die, is Loghain (but even deserves a second choice – as [almost] everyone else, who able to regret his sins). But NOTHING is same about them.
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Post by melbella on Mar 8, 2018 13:48:03 GMT
Agreed. Zev tries to kill the Warden because Loghain hired him to do so.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 8, 2018 15:03:23 GMT
Agreed. Zev tries to kill the Warden because Loghain hired him to do so. Plus, whereas Loghain does express regret and want to atone, Zevran simply shrugs, smiles and says "so it goes" .
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Post by Catilina on Mar 8, 2018 15:19:12 GMT
Agreed. Zev tries to kill the Warden because Loghain hired him to do so. Plus, whereas Loghain does express regret and want to atone, Zevran simply shrugs, smiles and says "so it goes" . Zevran didn't succeed, Loghain did (not in kill the Warden but in many orher thing.) What would have to regret Zevran? To became an assassin? At first: he regretted. At second: It was not really his choice.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 8, 2018 15:32:28 GMT
Plus, whereas Loghain does express regret and want to atone, Zevran simply shrugs, smiles and says "so it goes" . Zevran didn't succeed, Loghain did (not in kill the Warden but in many orher thing.) What would have to regret Zevran? To became an assassin? At first: he regretted. At second: It was not really his choice. Zevran admitted that that he killed innocents, either targets or people just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and never seemed broken up over it. True regret would require change, but he was happy to keep doing the same thing. He could have chosen any number of other professions with the skills he has acquired over the years, not to mention new connections thanks to the Warden. But I guess they wouldn't pay as well for his violent and hedonistic lifestyle .
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Post by Catilina on Mar 8, 2018 15:42:26 GMT
Zevran didn't succeed, Loghain did (not in kill the Warden but in many orher thing.) What would have to regret Zevran? To became an assassin? At first: he regretted. At second: It was not really his choice. Zevran admitted that that he killed innocents, either targets or people just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and never seemed broken up over it. True regret would require change, but he was happy to keep doing the same thing. He could have chosen any number of other professions with the skills he has acquired over the years, not to mention new connections thanks to the Warden. But I guess they wouldn't pay as well for his violent and hedonistic lifestyle . Zevran mostly killed politicians. These-kind never innocent.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 8, 2018 15:42:55 GMT
Zevran just a poor assassin. As we saw in DA2 (and his murder spree against the rest of the Crows can attest), Zevran is an excellent assassin. Zevran was purposefully trying to get himself killed in Origins, which is why he accepted the contract against the Warden (which no-one else would touch). After what happened with Rinna, he wanted to leave the Crows, but saw no avenue of escape except via death. But when the Warden didn't kill him outright, Zev realised that joining the Warden was the best chance at staying alive (turns out he did want to live after all), he could finally escape the Crows, he could gain powerful friends to shield him from any reprieve (even if only temporarily)... and he could attempt to seduce everyone in the party. (I always loved how honest and up-front Zev was about his reasons for join the party. He didn't care about stopping the Blight or saving the world, all he wanted was his life and protection from his enemies, in exchange for killing the Warden's enemies and/or warming their bed. As sale's pitches go... that's not bad, I might try it myself sometime) I have no doubt that if Zevran had actually wanted to kill the Warden, there'd be a Darkspawn horde ravaging across southern Thedas now. --- Speaking of the above, imagine if the Fifth Blight had continued beyond DAO? It would become even more of a nightmare scenario once Corypheus woke up and began influencing the horde, especially if he ran across the Architect and Mother's own hordes of Awakened Darkspawn. Damn, now I'd really love to see another Darkspawn Chronicles DLC or Comic that explores an AU where the Fifth Blight never ended.
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Post by Rascoth on Mar 8, 2018 15:45:26 GMT
I wish there was a way to spare Loghain without making him Grey Warden.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 8, 2018 15:45:47 GMT
Zevran just a poor assassin. As we saw in DA2 (and his murder spree against the rest of the Crows can attest), Zevran is an excellent assassin. Zevran was purposefully trying to get himself killed in Origins, which is why he accepted the contract against the Warden (which no-one else would touch). After what happened with Rinna, he wanted to leave the Crows, but saw no avenue of escape except via death. But when the Warden didn't kill him outright, Zev realised that joining the Warden was the best chance at staying alive (turns out he did want to live after all), he could finally escape the Crows, he could gain powerful friends to shield him from any reprieve (even if only temporarily)... and he could attempt to seduce everyone in the party. (I always loved how honest and up-front Zev was about his reasons for join the party. He didn't care about stopping the Blight or saving the world, all he wanted was his life and protection from his enemies, in exchange for killing the Warden's enemies and/or warming their bed. As sale's pitches go... that's not bad, I might try it myself sometime) I have no doubt that if Zevran had actually wanted to kill the Warden, there'd be a Darkspawn horde ravaging across southern Thedas now. --- Speaking of the above, imagine if the Fifth Blight had continued beyond DAO? It would become even more of a nightmare scenario once Corypheus woke up and began influencing the horde, especially if he ran across the Architect and Mother's own hordes of Awakened Darkspawn. Damn, now I'd really love to see another Darkspawn Chronicles DLC or Comic that explores an AU where the Fifth Blight never ended. I don't deny that... but if you kill him, he only has 5(?) copper ...
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 8, 2018 15:55:26 GMT
Zevran admitted that that he killed innocents, either targets or people just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and never seemed broken up over it. True regret would require change, but he was happy to keep doing the same thing. He could have chosen any number of other professions with the skills he has acquired over the years, not to mention new connections thanks to the Warden. But I guess they wouldn't pay as well for his violent and hedonistic lifestyle . Zevran mostly killed politicians. These-kind never innocent. You can ask him if he has ever killed innocents, and he admits he has, that unlucky civilians getting caught in the crossfire is just part of the job.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2018 16:06:09 GMT
I'd like to kill Zevran and recruit Loghain, but I'm not sure if I could justify the different treatment. Sifr said a lot of good stuff. A lot of people say that Loghain's War Experience is vital to leading the armies against the Darkspawn Horde (nevermind we win regardless of his input because we're the protaganist). Point is, Zevran has nothing to offer the Warden other than another body in their band of misfits. We have no need to assasinate one specific darkspawn so his skill set is not all that useful to the war efforts. Accepting Loghain has the added layer that you have to lose Alistair to get him. I guess the end answer is that, stripped down as you've described them, they do seem to have performed the same actions. If they were equal in all other ways, then it would be difficult to justify the different treatment. But you and your warden are capable of seeing finer shades of grey here (haha a pun) So I justify every course of choice because all characters are capable of finer evaluation skills. That all said, I did play a super dumb brosca who really did have the very firm rule of "Kill everyone who tries to kill you."<-her best friend, Zevran, The werewolves, Zathrien, Loghain all died. It was based on a simplistic view of her own survival from her time in Dust Town. so I intentionally created a character that would lack "Finer Evaluation Skills"
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Post by Sifr on Mar 8, 2018 16:06:40 GMT
I don't deny that... but if you kill him, he only has 5(?) copper ... Well, he did say the Crows were the ones who actually got paid, making him as poor as a Chantry mouse.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 8, 2018 16:09:39 GMT
Zevran mostly killed politicians. These-kind never innocent. You can ask him if he has ever killed innocents, and he admits he has, that unlucky civilians getting caught in the crossfire is just part of the job. Yes, but how you can him compare to Loghain? He only guilty as the most of our companion is. Leliana for example... And Zevran left the Crows. He's not innocent, he's an assassin. But in my eyes much more acceptable than the politicians, nobles, who hire him.
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Post by copper on Mar 8, 2018 16:10:38 GMT
I'd like to kill Zevran and recruit Loghain, but I'm not sure if I could justify the different treatment. I could never do this myself since I love Zevran, but your warden could believe that Zevran just can't be trusted. He gives you all the information he has about his past employers without any pressure at all. Would he do the same about you and your companions if he was later captured by Loghain or some other enemy? In game he also turns on you when meeting his crow buddies again if you haven't earned his loyalty at that point. So... I could see a warden who really cares about honor killing Zevran straight away. Loghain is different in that he is motivated by his ideals. If defeated at the Landsmeet, he will accept whatever punishment you decide to give him. I also interpret that moment as him accepting you will do what's best for Ferelden at that point, since up until then he believes himself to be the most capable person to look after Ferelden's interests. By beating him, you prove to him that there is someone stronger than he is. If he agrees to follow you, I don't see him betraying you later.
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