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Post by tacsear on Jul 2, 2017 13:32:34 GMT
He is a living prophet in the eyes of the people. Inquisitor is the heartThe people are the heart, The people are the heart, who have faith. People are the blood, and blood needs something to flow twoards. If Justinia were alive she would've been the heart
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 13:44:16 GMT
The people are the heart, who have faith. People are the blood, and blood needs something to flow twoards. If Justinia were alive she would've been the heart. Okay, we can see that way, you're right, if we can consider the Divine as a heart, then we can the Inquisitor too. They are symbols. And I still see the Inquisitor as a puppet. Leliana's and Cassandra's puppet, his/her own fate's puppet... His/her hand is important. A key, and, as you said: a symbol.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 2, 2017 13:49:31 GMT
People are the blood, and blood needs something to flow twoards. If Justinia were alive she would've been the heart. Okay, we can see that way, you're right, if we can consider the Divine as a heart, then we can the Inquisitor too. They are symbols. And I still see the Inquisitor as a puppet. His/her hand is important. A key, and, as you said: a symbol. Yes his/her hand and being rescued from the fade by Andraste. Of course that's not true but not everyone know the truth. Puppet means being controlled by someone, I would go with figurehead and like you said a symbol
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 13:54:02 GMT
Okay, we can see that way, you're right, if we can consider the Divine as a heart, then we can the Inquisitor too. They are symbols. And I still see the Inquisitor as a puppet. His/her hand is important. A key, and, as you said: a symbol. Yes his/her hand and being rescued from the fade by Andraste. Of course that's not true but not everyone know the truth. Puppet means being controlled by someone, I would go with figurehead and like you said a symbol S/he controlled by everyone including the circumstances and the advisors. The person does not matter, just the hand. S/he has not more freedom in the decisions, than Hawke, just has a bigger and stronger fandom and an army behind his/her back.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 13:56:47 GMT
Okay, we can see that way, you're right, if we can consider the Divine as a heart, then we can the Inquisitor too. They are symbols. And I still see the Inquisitor as a puppet. His/her hand is important. A key, and, as you said: a symbol. Yes his/her hand and being rescued from the fade by Andraste. Of course that's not true but not everyone know the truth.Puppet means being controlled by someone, I would go with figurehead and like you said a symbol
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Post by Rascoth on Jul 2, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Hawke, especially purple one. The Warden and Inquisitor don't even come close.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 2, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Yes his/her hand and being rescued from the fade by Andraste. Of course that's not true but not everyone know the truth. Puppet means being controlled by someone, I would go with figurehead and like you said a symbol S/he controlled by everyone including the circumstances and the advisors. The person does not matter, just the hand. S/he has not more freedom in the decisions, than Hawke, just has a bigger and stronger fandom and an army behind his/her back. But no one is actually controlling their choices. Advisors set up the events because they're the brains. If they were a puppet the puppet master would be Flemeth like every other protagonist. Maybe events of DA are actually a game of chess between the Evanuris
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 14:05:22 GMT
S/he controlled by everyone including the circumstances and the advisors. The person does not matter, just the hand. S/he has not more freedom in the decisions, than Hawke, just has a bigger and stronger fandom and an army behind his/her back. But no one is actually controlling their choices. Advisors set up the events because they're the brains. If they were a puppet the puppet master would be Flemeth like every other protagonist. Maybe events of DA are actually a game of chess between the Evanuris I didn't say, that the Inquisitor doesn't have personality or some decisions, but no more, than Hawke in his/her territory, and not rule his/her fate and circumstances more, than Hawke. In fact, I saw Hawk Hawke more independent than the Inquisitor. But the Inquisitor undoubtedly more important. Not because of his/her personality and quality, ranther because of his/her hand. Hawke perhaps just the toy of the circumstances (as almost everyone), but I feel, that his/her personality more important, than his/her single body part...
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Post by Warrior DM on Jul 2, 2017 19:37:12 GMT
I enjoyed playing as the Inquisitor the most. Although Trevelyan lacked the personality of Sarcastic Hawke, I felt as that though the story was my own as I played through Inquisition. Not once did I feel like a passenger to someone else's preestablished narrative. Being a leader that the highest positions of authority respected was also great. (To varying degrees depending on race and class) Inquisition was the first time in Dragon Age I felt the need to try out every race, class, and play as a lady. This was, what I never felt. The Inquisition's real leaders are Leliana and Cassandra, the Inquisitor only a "blessed hand". At least Hawke wasn't a lie: s/he was the toy of the circumstances, and the game never denied that. The Inquisition would have been completely lost without the Inquisitor to guide it. The game hammers that home multiple times, especially with the alternate future we see in Redcliffe. Leliana is more content to lay in the shadows through most of the Inquistion, and her decisions as Divine (while justified) are likely to lead to a Schism. Cassandra never wanted to be a leader in the first place, and even has trouble being called the Hero of Orlais.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 2, 2017 19:47:06 GMT
But no one is actually controlling their choices. Advisors set up the events because they're the brains. If they were a puppet the puppet master would be Flemeth like every other protagonist. Maybe events of DA are actually a game of chess between the Evanuris I didn't say, that the Inquisitor doesn't have personality or some decisions, but no more, than Hawke in his/her territory, and not rule his/her fate and circumstances more, than Hawke. In fact, I saw Hawk Hawke more independent than the Inquisitor. But the Inquisitor undoubtedly more important. Not because of his/her personality and quality, ranther because of his/her hand. Hawke perhaps just the toy of the circumstances (as almost everyone), but I feel, that his/her personality more important, than his/her single body part... Why do you have to compare them. They all are good protagonists. Hawke is not a toy more like a leaf in the wind and IQ is a symbol rather than a puppet
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 19:55:36 GMT
This was, what I never felt. The Inquisition's real leaders are Leliana and Cassandra, the Inquisitor only a "blessed hand". At least Hawke wasn't a lie: s/he was the toy of the circumstances, and the game never denied that. The Inquisition would have been completely lost without the Inquisitor to guide it. The game hammers that home multiple times, especially with the alternate future we see in Redcliffe. Leliana is more content to lay in the shadows through most of the Inquistion, and her decisions as Divine (while justified) are likely to lead to a Schism. Cassandra never wanted to be a leader in the first place, and even has trouble being called the Hero of Orlais. Of course: the Inquisitor have a very important hand. (ven Cassandra's divinity can cause troubles, schizm, and war. And I didn't speak about Vivienne... But: why the Chantry schism is such a bad thing... why people think that? Perhaps it can help to purify, the Chantry needs that.)
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 19:57:05 GMT
I didn't say, that the Inquisitor doesn't have personality or some decisions, but no more, than Hawke in his/her territory, and not rule his/her fate and circumstances more, than Hawke. In fact, I saw Hawk Hawke more independent than the Inquisitor. But the Inquisitor undoubtedly more important. Not because of his/her personality and quality, ranther because of his/her hand. Hawke perhaps just the toy of the circumstances (as almost everyone), but I feel, that his/her personality more important, than his/her single body part... Why do you have to compare them. They all are good protagonists. Hawke is not a toy more like a leaf in the wind and IQ is a symbol rather than a puppet Because this whole topic about to compare them?
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Post by Warrior DM on Jul 2, 2017 20:05:24 GMT
The Inquisition would have been completely lost without the Inquisitor to guide it. The game hammers that home multiple times, especially with the alternate future we see in Redcliffe. Leliana is more content to lay in the shadows through most of the Inquistion, and her decisions as Divine (while justified) are likely to lead to a Schism. Cassandra never wanted to be a leader in the first place, and even has trouble being called the Hero of Orlais. (ven Cassandra's divinity can cause troubles, schizm, and war. And I didn't speak about Vivienne... But: why the Chantry schism is such a bad thing... why people think that? Perhaps it can help to purify, the Chantry needs that.) A schism would likely lead to war, as we've seen when two contrasting religious beliefs clash. Leliana's enemies were already trying to assassinate her, and I wouldn't be surprised if common folk would treat the nonhuman priests poorly. What we got by the end of Inquisition seems like just a taste of what Leliana's future as Divine would be.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 20:14:00 GMT
(ven Cassandra's divinity can cause troubles, schizm, and war. And I didn't speak about Vivienne... But: why the Chantry schism is such a bad thing... why people think that? Perhaps it can help to purify, the Chantry needs that.) A schism would likely lead to war, as we've seen when two contrasting religious beliefs clash. Leliana's enemies were already trying to assassinate her, and I wouldn't be surprised if common folk would treat the nonhuman priests poorly. What we got by the end of Inquisition seems like just a taste of what Leliana's future as Divine would be. I don't have any problem with war, if that lead some better era... The Chanty's law was wrong for a thousand years, some fresh air is necessary. And Leliana able to handle this, especially with Cassandra's help (this two help each other). Vivienne more problematic, and probably more bloody, even than hardened Leliana. Leliana's idea is good. Worth a try. If fail, then the next try will better: the basics have already been laid. Every change have risks.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 2, 2017 20:19:08 GMT
Why do you have to compare them. They all are good protagonists. Hawke is not a toy more like a leaf in the wind and IQ is a symbol rather than a puppet Because this whole topic about to compare them? I mean yes but it's about picking your favourite. I don't like displaying ones strengths to make the other look less. Or all the things like that
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 20:22:12 GMT
Because this whole topic about to compare them? I mean yes but it's about picking your favourite. I don't like displaying ones strengths to make the other look less. Or all the things like that But they are different, one better, another less. Displaying their good points and bad points is interesting.
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 2, 2017 20:22:16 GMT
Definitely Hawke for me. Had so much fun with that character and his crazy band of misfits. Warden would come in 2nd for me. Never felt any affection towards inquisitor, just intense annoyance. Happily kill her off in the next installment if the option is there.
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Post by Warrior DM on Jul 2, 2017 20:45:33 GMT
A schism would likely lead to war, as we've seen when two contrasting religious beliefs clash. Leliana's enemies were already trying to assassinate her, and I wouldn't be surprised if common folk would treat the nonhuman priests poorly. What we got by the end of Inquisition seems like just a taste of what Leliana's future as Divine would be. I don't have any problem with war, if that lead some better era... The Chanty's law was wrong for a thousand years, some fresh air is necessary. And Leliana able to handle this, especially with Cassandra's help (this two help each other). Vivienne more problematic, and probably more bloody, even than hardened Leliana. Leliana's idea is good. Worth a try. If fail, then the next try will better: the basics have already been laid. Every change have risks. A war on that scale will lead to the deaths of countless innocent people caught in the crossfire. Just think about about how many Andrastians there are in Thedas. A religious conflict also wouldn't just disappear, assuming one side of the war "wins". Tevinter's Black Divine is the biggest example of one side of a religion still being prominent, despite the fact that Tevinter executed Andraste herself. Vivienne explicitly turns into a tyrant if she becomes Divine, I won't contest that. She wants to keep the status quo, which likely wouldn't divide the Faith, but instead lead to another Mage Rebellion. However this all turns out will likely be determined in future games.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 2, 2017 21:22:20 GMT
I don't have any problem with war, if that lead some better era... The Chanty's law was wrong for a thousand years, some fresh air is necessary. And Leliana able to handle this, especially with Cassandra's help (this two help each other). Vivienne more problematic, and probably more bloody, even than hardened Leliana. Leliana's idea is good. Worth a try. If fail, then the next try will better: the basics have already been laid. Every change have risks. A war on that scale will lead to the deaths of countless innocent people caught in the crossfire. Just think about about how many Andrastians there are in Thedas. A religious conflict also wouldn't just disappear, assuming one side of the war "wins". Tevinter's Black Divine is the biggest example of one side of a religion still being prominent, despite the fact that Tevinter executed Andraste herself. Vivienne explicitly turns into a tyrant if she becomes Divine, I won't contest that. She wants to keep the status quo, which likely wouldn't divide the Faith, but instead lead to another Mage Rebellion. However this all turns out will likely be determined in future games. Everything has risks, even Cassandra's progressive-conservative reign, the difference is, that Leliana's idea worth risking. Yes, of course this will turn out in the future. I dare to predict: 1. Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne will be one or two line notes on the margin 2. Leliana, Cassandra, and Vivienne died/disappeared, and we have a new, "grey" Divine: neither bad, nor good. Everything same as before. The mages in the Circle, the elves in the Alienage, the Templars are fed with lyrium. 3. This is no matter, anymore, because of Solas have a solution... for every problem
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Post by mmoblitz on Jul 3, 2017 2:32:07 GMT
For me, it's Hawk.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 3, 2017 4:08:14 GMT
For better or worse, I can knock Quizzie right out of the running. The Warden worked because s/he was a blank slate, and the wide variety of choices and dialogue meant we could paint the character as we saw fit. Hawke worked because s/he was a set character, and as the players, we built the character's personality and reactions. Quizzie was an attempt to have their cake and eat it too, giving us a blank slate character, but also giving us very little ability to shape the character. As a result, s/he just dry (which wasn't really a problem until Trespasser, granted).
But I digress, this is about who the favorite is, not the least favorite. Although, that's a lot harder. As mentioned, just like how Origins and DA2 both have distinct high and low points that makes it harder to pick a favorite, the same is the case with the protagonists. With the Warden, there are so many options, many of which are quite compelling, but for me, with Hawke, while the character overall is extremely strong, probably stronger than any of my individual Wardens, there's very little wiggle room in how to play Hawke "right".
So the question becomes, does the excitement of variety overcome a single, more compelling character? At this moment, I'm inclined to say "no" and vote for Hawke, although my take on it might different on a different day. That said, since there are still, IMO, ways to play the Warden that are "better" or "worse" than others, I suppose Hawke's more limited scope of character isn't that big of a disadvantage.
So, yeah, I gotta go Hawke.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 3, 2017 12:03:35 GMT
The challenge with Hawke is making him/her be... well, not the same as every other Hawke played by other people who picked the same personality.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 3, 2017 14:22:03 GMT
If you count only the base games Warden>Hawke>IQ but with trespasser inquisitor develops one hell of a personality (I recently realised that after playing it again) and the list becomes IQ>Warden>Hawke but overall Warden is still the best
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Post by Saboru on Jul 3, 2017 23:17:58 GMT
You're asking me to choose between a couple of of folks who gather their merry band of misfits and save the world and someone who gets together with a bunch of low lifes in a bar, who then between them contribute to releasing a magical bioweapon, trashing the city, igniting the fires of a continent wide religious war and helping a megalomaniac Cthulhu wannabe escape custody. Hawke, no contest.
World saving types are ten a penny, there's not many games I can get with a likeable, normal protagonist, who gets to play the no win scenario every time and ends up in a world spiraling into disaster.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 4, 2017 0:10:06 GMT
The challenge with Hawke is making him/her be... well, not the same as every other Hawke played by other people who picked the same personality. There is definitely some truth to this. Heck, I recently even made a topic trying to get my head on for how I could figure out a third Hawke who still felt distinctly different from the first two. However, I would argue that the character doesn't necessarily need to be unique on a player-by-player basis to be compelling. I mean, people consistently enjoy the various companions, but they're even more limited in terms of different personalities than the player characters.
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