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Post by vertigomez on Oct 30, 2016 12:07:51 GMT
Blackwall Romance/Tribute video I made awhile back and re-uploaded on my new YouTube account I loved this video when you first made it and I love it now.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 30, 2016 14:00:07 GMT
Blackwall Romance/Tribute video I made awhile back and re-uploaded on my new YouTube account I remember that Inquisitor! She was always so lovely!
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Post by kalasaurus on Oct 30, 2016 14:24:14 GMT
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 9, 2017 1:48:28 GMT
As for Blackwall, I like him even though I obviously find his past deeply troubling. I made him a Warden in my canon, and although the Trespasser slides made me feel a bit sad for him I still felt it was the right choice for my quizzy. What did you guys do? Pardon him? Make him a Warden? Force him into servitude? Perhaps left him in jail to his fate? It depends I guess on which part of Blackwall's actions is of the highest concern. If it's an issue with his impersonation of a Warden and deceiving the Inquisition, then making him a Warden turns the lie into truth. If it's concern over where he can do the most good for people, I personally, think it's best to leave him be. He's already proven that he'll help people without oversight and he won't be in a messed up situation of killing innocent people if we take Adamant into consideration. The Wardens are too...ruthless for someone as idealistic as Blackwall. The conscription option doesn't make a lot of sense if you're doing it out of some sense of self-righteousness because if you're appalled at what he did, the solution is to...perpetuate the lie? I think Blackwall does a lot of good when you give him a second chance. He spent his time trying to help people, he trained farmers to defend themselves from bandits, and he even tried to use the Blackwall name and the Warden treaties to help the Inquisition at a time when the fledgling organization needed all the allies it could get. And let's not forget this glorious moment: Lavellan: The Inquisition will take all the help it can get, but what can one Grey Warden do? Blackwall: Save the fucking world, if pressed.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 9, 2017 7:36:05 GMT
I think Blackwall does a lot of good when you give him a second chance. He spent his time trying to help people, he trained farmers to defend themselves from bandits, and he even tried to use the Blackwall name and the Warden treaties to help the Inquisition at a time when the fledgling organization needed all the allies it could get. And let's not forget this glorious moment: Lavellan: The Inquisition will take all the help it can get, but what can one Grey Warden do? Blackwall: Save the fucking world, if pressed. I agree, we even get a farmer's account on how he trained them to defend themselves without any payment in return. It takes a lot to continue doing selfless acts like that without profiting from them.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jan 14, 2017 19:08:35 GMT
I did finally finish playing through The Descent and it was pretty interesting even if I had already guessed that much of this was the case and Blackwall did have a few lines if I recall, I might have recorded it, I will have to go digging around in my computer to see if I did and we all know how long that will take me....about 6 months I think I've already answered that above question before, but on the slim chance that I didn't: Romance or no, I always let him go on his own so he continues to help people. For *me* that is the best ending for him. I love that quote, lobselvith8
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Post by phoray on Jan 14, 2017 23:53:25 GMT
I romanced Blackwall my first game, but then broke up with him at Judgement. I rebounded to Cullen to sooth my feelings and Blackwall became a Warden.
Then I romanced Blackwall again anyway, intending to break up with him again at he Judgement (for character Growth.) But Mara was stubborn, had adored him, and believed in redemption. So she stayed with him against my player will. *Shrugs* I love Mara for being such a person. And she and Thom Rainier helped prisoners, the perfect ending.
Then my third PT, I'm a male elf romancing Cass and running into her bias. Against Sera. Against Dorian. Against Cole. (My three fave companions.) Also Against my elven religion. I go visit Blackwall and he mentions how he likes Sera and Cole. I'm not sure I've ever heard him say anything bad about Dorian either and he's definitely never called the Elven Religion "nonsense." He became a Warden in that PT.
I don't know if I'll ever intentionally romance him again. But I do know he's my #1 tank of choice. And I wanted to drop that bit of love here.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jan 15, 2017 1:05:08 GMT
I always liked that he didn't much bad mouth your companions and I've said many times that my favorite pairings with him when I go out are Sera and Dorian. They are like kids with their minds and mouths, so funny! I like him with Solas and Cole too, just not as much as Sera and Dorian.
I always thought he felt shouldn't pass judgement on others after what he did. Maybe that's why he is so accepting of others.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 15, 2017 1:47:14 GMT
I always liked that he didn't much bad mouth your companions and I've said many times that my favorite pairings with him when I go out are Sera and Dorian. They are like kids with their minds and mouths, so funny! I like him with Solas and Cole too, just not as much as Sera and Dorian. I always thought he felt shouldn't pass judgement on others after what he did. Maybe that's why he is so accepting of others. I've noticed too that the standards he holds others to are a reflection of what he's expecting from himself. If he's critical of a decision, it's usually because he's really criticizing his past self. It explains why he'll quietly accept the browbeating from others unless they take it to a petty extent.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 15, 2017 1:52:58 GMT
Then my third PT, I'm a male elf romancing Cass and running into her bias. Against Sera. Against Dorian. Against Cole. (My three fave companions.) Also Against my elven religion. I go visit Blackwall and he mentions how he likes Sera and Cole. I'm not sure I've ever heard him say anything bad about Dorian either and he's definitely never called the Elven Religion "nonsense." He became a Warden in that PT. I don't know if I'll ever intentionally romance him again. But I do know he's my #1 tank of choice. And I wanted to drop that bit of love here. Blackwall and Dorian tend to give each other a hard time at first mainly due to first impressions and assumptions. Blackwall's assuming Dorian's like the privileged class that he blames for neglecting the lower classes while Dorian sees him as a moron. What's touching is how they slowly reach an understanding as they realize the other isn't what they thought at first. Really nice to have you drop by! Been a while since I've been here too.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 15, 2017 6:54:34 GMT
Blackwall's initial dislike of Dorian might be due to him being suspicious of his motives. After all, if we meet Dorian in Redcliffe he's "betraying" his mentor to help the Inquisitor. Otherwise we meet him during the attack on Haven, where he shows up to "betray" the Venatori by warning us of the imminent attack. He might think both were ploys for Dorian to worm his way into our good graces.
Given what we later learn about how he was hired to assassinate Callier by some rich Orlesian nobles trying to advance themselves in the Game, you can understand why he might hold a grudge against the nobility and assume they're all duplicitous and untrustworthy. Doesn't help that Dorian is a noble from Tevinter either, given their reputation as a nation of slavers and blood mages responsible for the Blight.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 15, 2017 15:51:25 GMT
Blackwall's initial dislike of Dorian might be due to him being suspicious of his motives. After all, if we meet Dorian in Redcliffe he's "betraying" his mentor to help the Inquisitor. Otherwise we meet him during the attack on Haven, where he shows up to "betray" the Venatori by warning us of the imminent attack. He might think both were ploys for Dorian to worm his way into our good graces. Given what we later learn about how he was hired to assassinate Callier by some rich Orlesian nobles trying to advance themselves in the Game, you can understand why he might hold a grudge against the nobility and assume they're all duplicitous and untrustworthy. Doesn't help that Dorian is a noble from Tevinter either, given their reputation as a nation of slavers and blood mages responsible for the Blight. That's...a really good point. Hadn't thought of that. Even though Dorian never practices Blood magic, his own abilities as a Necromancer are already suspicious looking as it is from how we see Blackwall's reaction to the practice. He's clearly not the only one disturbed by Dorian. It makes their reconciliation that much more meaningful when Dorian tells him that he knows bad men and that Blackwall isn't one of them. It tells me that it's all too easy to discard the decent ones when they're rare enough as it is. Corruption is too prevalent to judge someone like Blackwall that harshly.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jan 18, 2017 19:32:03 GMT
I liked how Dorian and Blackwall went from needling each other to being friends. It's one of the reasons I like to run with them together. And Blackwall + Sera is comedy gold.
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 22, 2017 8:35:13 GMT
To answer an earlier question on passing judgment on Blackwall, that was the one scene that I was not comfortable with. I would have rather someone else be the judge and I could choose to give my input on Blackwall or not. Being his judge felt like an abuse of power, which it truly was, and that it kept the relationship from being on equal terms. So for Blackwall to be a Warden, he had to make that decision of his own accord, to choose that path freely. If he was truly reformed, this was his chance to prove it as Thom Rainier, not my Inquisitor as his watch dog. (I speak of this from a romanced character perspective. The watch dog is fine on platonic playthroughs if that's how one wants to play it out.) So that's why I freed him.
Cadash had a violent thug background so the deception was not a deal breaker for me. I had a toddler sleeping in my lap when the truth came out so the story of the kids really got me. I specifically researched to see if he personally put a blade to those kids because that would have been an instant game over. I really liked the overall story arc, how the relationship was truly being tested and that it seemed to make them stronger for it. I was very pleased with his epilogue. I like to think of him inspiring Cadash to be a better version of herself, too, to be the woman he thinks she is.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 22, 2017 16:19:10 GMT
Hey, good to see you Gilsa! I remember your Inquisitor's story and it was a good one!
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jan 22, 2017 20:06:47 GMT
To answer an earlier question on passing judgment on Blackwall, that was the one scene that I was not comfortable with. I would have rather someone else be the judge and I could choose to give my input on Blackwall or not. Being his judge felt like an abuse of power, which it truly was, and that it kept the relationship from being on equal terms. So for Blackwall to be a Warden, he had to make that decision of his own accord, to choose that path freely. If he was truly reformed, this was his chance to prove it as Thom Rainier, not my Inquisitor as his watch dog. (I speak of this from a romanced character perspective. The watch dog is fine on platonic playthroughs if that's how one wants to play it out.) So that's why I freed him. Cadash had a violent thug background so the deception was not a deal breaker for me. I had a toddler sleeping in my lap when the truth came out so the story of the kids really got me. I specifically researched to see if he personally put a blade to those kids because that would have been an instant game over. I really liked the overall story arc, how the relationship was truly being tested and that it seemed to make them stronger for it. I was very pleased with his epilogue. I like to think of him inspiring Cadash to be a better version of herself, too, to be the woman he thinks she is. I love the story of your Cadash with Blackwall. And I echo opuspace : Nice to see you!
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 1, 2017 13:46:14 GMT
Listening to Blackwall's remarks about Celene (though I know those are wound up in issues about his history and the Game), do you guys have any thoughts about who he'd theoretically support for the throne of Ferelden/Orzammar?
I was just idly thinking about this and I can't decide. On the one hand, Alistair is a good man and a Warden. That's got to count for a lot. But like Celene, Anora is a capable, graceful ruler... maybe he'd be happy if they're hitched? And I can only guess he'd support Harrowmont in DAO, if only because Bhelen's scheming and backstabbing hits a little too close to home.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 1, 2017 19:02:55 GMT
Listening to Blackwall's remarks about Celene (though I know those are wound up in issues about his history and the Game), do you guys have any thoughts about who he'd theoretically support for the throne of Ferelden/Orzammar? I was just idly thinking about this and I can't decide. On the one hand, Alistair is a good man and a Warden. That's got to count for a lot. But like Celene, Anora is a capable, graceful ruler... maybe he'd be happy if they're hitched? And I can only guess he'd support Harrowmont in DAO, if only because Bhelen's scheming and backstabbing hits a little too close to home. I kinda have to agree, Blackwall seems the type to support the more honorable. I've noticed he favors Celene over Gaspard though I think that might have more to do with being reminded of his past and what he did in Gaspard's name. I doubt he'd think they're all innocent, but...huh, that's a tough question you asked
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Post by Gilsa on Feb 1, 2017 21:19:08 GMT
I think he would have favored keeping the status quo with Anora with massive disapproval if Alistair was executed.
Harrowmont/Bhelen is tough. Given how livid he was with the mayor of (I can't remember the name now, Crestwood?) for flooding the town and drowning innocents, I'm thinking he wouldn't like the collateral damage from Bhelen's ruthlessness. He would object to Harrowmont being executed, too. Harrowmont is not a great choice (and he was supposed to die in the epilogue, FFS!), but he is the lesser of two evils.
Just my take. I base this on his change of attitude after becoming Blackwall and that the fact that he remains consistent with his views after becoming Thom Rainier again.
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Post by halla on Feb 2, 2017 16:16:13 GMT
replaying da:i. i beg you tell me it goes like that @_@ (sorry for no source but i got it like that)
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Post by opuspace on Feb 2, 2017 21:41:38 GMT
replaying da:i. i beg you tell me it goes like that @_@ (sorry for no source but i got it like that) Hahaha! It's disturbingly more accurate than expected. A few fans had modded the game to enable flycam mode and what they frequently saw was Dennet staring uncomfortably at Blackwall and the Inquisitor. I wish I had the images but one had Dennet sitting in a corner and watching the barn scene. I will say that that barn was so horribly exposed from so many angles...
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 3, 2017 15:24:56 GMT
Thanks everybody for considering my completely random question! I think it's fun to think about stuff like that. I often wonder what various companions think about events in other games. I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume Blackwall doesn't approve of the Chantry getting blown to bits in DA2? And for some reason I think he'd have a good relationship with Shale. replaying da:i. i beg you tell me it goes like that @_@ (sorry for no source but i got it like that) Hahaha! It's disturbingly more accurate than expected. A few fans had modded the game to enable flycam mode and what they frequently saw was Dennet staring uncomfortably at Blackwall and the Inquisitor. I wish I had the images but one had Dennet sitting in a corner and watching the barn scene. I will say that that barn was so horribly exposed from so many angles... Very exposed. Even Sera knows what they got up to in that barn.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 3, 2017 17:45:48 GMT
vertigomezBlackwall's a fairly easy one to predict I think. Anything that gets innocents hurt or killed earns serious disapproval. He IS big on redemption or the chance for people to atone so I think he'd be for Anders being spared. Sera surprised me the most with how forgiving she was towards Blackwall but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense given her emphasis on focusing on the now. Being unable to forgive would involve being unwilling to let go of the past.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 3, 2017 18:20:08 GMT
vertigomez Blackwall's a fairly easy one to predict I think. Anything that gets innocents hurt or killed earns serious disapproval. He IS big on redemption or the chance for people to atone so I think he'd be for Anders being spared. Sera surprised me the most with how forgiving she was towards Blackwall but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense given her emphasis on focusing on the now. Being unable to forgive would involve being unwilling to let go of the past. Plus the innocent family he butchered were nobles and Sera doesn't care about nobles.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 3, 2017 18:30:03 GMT
Plus the innocent family he butchered were nobles and Sera doesn't care about nobles. Who knows, that's speculation with no proof. Blackwall accepted a contract for a single political target. He didn't expect the family to be there.
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