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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 27, 2017 2:52:59 GMT
DAI was considered a goldmine until TW3 came out a few months later and then it was widely considered that TW3 set the standard for open world storytelling, open world immersion, and side quest. It did not affect the sales as it is still today, the fastest selling Bioware game, high review scores, and won like 140 GOTY awards. I am going to assume that DA4 is coming out in late 2019 along with Cyberpunk 2077. I just dont see either game slipping into 2020 and they definitely arent coming 2018. This would put DA4 and Cyberpunk 2077 on a collision course. thetechdudz.com/cyberpunk-2077-full-details-comparison-to-witcher-3/www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/325383/Cyberpunk%202077%20-%20Mike%20Pondsmith%20Interview/There is a lot of hype for both games but I feel that the hype meter is a bit highef for CP2077. I am hyped for both games and will enjoy both, but could CP2077 tamper the sales and even expectations for DA4?
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Post by rahavan on Sept 27, 2017 3:02:32 GMT
OP if CDPR work environment is still just as bad as it was during TW3 I'm willing to put money on Cyberpunk being delayed so its a non issue. Honestly if you look at CPDR work environment throughout time its honestly a miracle that TW3 turned out good. Anyway I'm sure DA4 will be great and I'll judge on its own merits.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 27, 2017 3:07:24 GMT
I don't think so. While both are RPGs, they are RPGs in vastly different settings. Add that and the fact they will most likely try to release a few months apart and there is enough between them to not hurt each other.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 3:24:26 GMT
I have zero interest in Cyberpunk, unless it's an RPG with fully customizable player characters, dungeons, dragons, and optional romances.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 27, 2017 3:30:50 GMT
I have zero interest in Cyberpunk, unless it's an RPG with fully customizable player characters, dungeons, dragons, and optional romances. It says it's based on a PnP game called Cyberpunk... which I think I played in college. I don't recall seeing dragons or magic in it. If you want cyberpunk and dragons, I think what you want is a game set in the Shadowrun 'verse. Anyway, why would the two interfere with each other? I think I want to get both. Maybe not right at the same time, but I do want both.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 27, 2017 3:36:54 GMT
OP if CDPR work environment is still just as bad as it was during TW3 I'm willing to put money on Cyberpunk being delayed so its a non issue. Honestly if you look at CPDR work environment throughout time its honestly a miracle that TW3 turned out good. Anyway I'm sure DA4 will be great and I'll judge on its own merits. I never knew any drama was going on at CDPR.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 27, 2017 3:43:00 GMT
I have zero interest in Cyberpunk, unless it's an RPG with fully customizable player characters, dungeons, dragons, and optional romances. It says it's based on a PnP game called Cyberpunk... which I think I played in college. I don't recall seeing dragons or magic in it. If you want cyberpunk and dragons, I think what you want is a game set in the Shadowrun 'verse. Anyway, why would the two interfere with each other? I think I want to get both. Maybe not right at the same time, but I do want both. Pretty much. If you're not interested in fantasy settings, you're unlikely to be buying DA4 anyway. The only reason an individual would have to choose is economic. As in, they decide they can't afford to buy two newly released, AAA games at the same time (or within a month or two of each other) and that's a valid decision. For me, I'll be buying DA4 shortly after the first patch, as I did with Inquisition. And Cyberpunk 2077 (assuming I buy it - sci-fi isn't really my thing) will come much later, after patching is complete (or at least close to complete).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 27, 2017 3:44:01 GMT
OP if CDPR work environment is still just as bad as it was during TW3 I'm willing to put money on Cyberpunk being delayed so its a non issue. Honestly if you look at CPDR work environment throughout time its honestly a miracle that TW3 turned out good. Anyway I'm sure DA4 will be great and I'll judge on its own merits. I never knew any drama was going on at CDPR. There are - apparently - ongoing dramas with regards to their treatment of developers - there's a thread about it here somewhere.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 27, 2017 3:46:52 GMT
It says it's based on a PnP game called Cyberpunk... which I think I played in college. I don't recall seeing dragons or magic in it. If you want cyberpunk and dragons, I think what you want is a game set in the Shadowrun 'verse. Anyway, why would the two interfere with each other? I think I want to get both. Maybe not right at the same time, but I do want both. Pretty much. If you're not interested in fantasy settings, you're unlikely to be buying DA4 anyway. The only reason an individual would have to choose is economic. As in, they decide they can't afford to buy two newly released, AAA games at the same time (or within a month or two of each other) and that's a valid decision. For me, I'll be buying DA4 shortly after the first patch, as I did with Inquisition. And Cyberpunk 2077 (assuming I buy it - sci-fi isn't really my thing) will come much later, after patching is complete (or at least close to complete). Fair. I know I don't want to spend that much money at one time. But I'll probably buy them both eventually. (Though there might be some slight interference in that I won't have to spend as much money on whichever one I buy later.)
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 27, 2017 4:05:59 GMT
They're in different enough genres that I wouldn't be concerned as long as they're not released too close to one another. And I'm sure they'd make efforts to see that didn't happen.
I'm definitely looking forward to CP2077, though it's worth noting it is CDPR's first crack at this genre. It's not like the Witcher 3 where they had 2 prior games to refine it. Also not having a fixed protagonist, and a lot of wildly different classes, may mean that character interactions won't be as personal and nuanced as in the Witcher. That might be a potential sticking point with the fans.
The next Dragon Age though, we know very little about. How ambitious will it be?
At any rate, I'm less concerned about CP2077 impacting DA4 than I am of say... a game coming out of left field (in the same time frame), but winds up being fantastically popular.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 4:23:26 GMT
I have zero interest in Cyberpunk, unless it's an RPG with fully customizable player characters, dungeons, dragons, and optional romances. It says it's based on a PnP game called Cyberpunk... which I think I played in college. I don't recall seeing dragons or magic in it. If you want cyberpunk and dragons, I think what you want is a game set in the Shadowrun 'verse. Anyway, why would the two interfere with each other? I think I want to get both. Maybe not right at the same time, but I do want both. Somewhat off topic, but I really, reallly want a Triple A Shadowrun RPG. Shadowrun Returns & Dragonfall were great but the setting deserves better than a series of isometric squad shooters. Anyway, on topic, I don't think we're getting DA4 in 2019 so I think it'll be a non-issue unless Cyberpunk gets delayed. If they do come out in the same year I would be concerned about DA4's chances; Bioware still has a bit of a stink on them after ME3, and while Inquisition did well in it's year I don't think it holds up as well to retrospect, especially in the wider game's industry outside of the core fandom, and Bioware's rep has taken a major hit with MEA's failure. Anthem's performance is going to be crucial here because if that under performs it could go a long way towards cementing this growing sentiment of Bioware as a company on the decline with their best years behind them. Meanwhile CDPR has all the hype in the world after Witcher 3 became the new genre standard. That could work against them though, if Cyberpunk doesn't live up to that standard. Even if it's a good game that just isn't as good as Witcher 3, they could get some disproportionate backlash and Witcher 3 might be seen as a fluke. That's just my read on it. Could be they'll have no effect on one another with one being a sci-fi, cyberpunk game and the other being high fantasy, and if they're separated by enough months that'll usually be more than enough time for people to get another game and play both if they have the interest. But I do think buzz, hype, and momentum matter, and the feeling I get from the gaming outlets I follow is that Bioware's being looked at as a ship that, if not sinking, is getting a little leaky, where as CDPR is being looked at as a rising star.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 4:56:45 GMT
I have zero interest in Cyberpunk, unless it's an RPG with fully customizable player characters, dungeons, dragons, and optional romances. It says it's based on a PnP game called Cyberpunk... which I think I played in college. I don't recall seeing dragons or magic in it. If you want cyberpunk and dragons, I think what you want is a game set in the Shadowrun 'verse. Anyway, why would the two interfere with each other? I think I want to get both. Maybe not right at the same time, but I do want both. I know what Cyberpunk 2077 is, and nothing I have heard about it has tempted me to want to play the tabletop version. Sadly, I never got to play much Shadowrun - though I do still have a 20-year-old character sheet with my elf character in a box somewhere downstairs; my group hated the system despite being FASA fanboys. We generally stuck to stuff like Star Wars and Battletech, homebrews, and D&D. Current group is playing Dresden Files and Blades in the Dark, and that's been a lot of fun. Wish I could game more these days, but Dragon Age fills the gap. To address the original topic, I don't really think that DA4 and CP2077 will affect each other financially; AAA games are usually scheduled staggered, to come out not to compete with each other. It just depends on what they both ultimately bring to the table, as far as awards go. There could be a game we don't even know about yet, that could sweep every award, and leave everyone in the dust. Don't care about CP2077, still buying DA4.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 5:00:50 GMT
Yeah, keeping an eye out for unknowns is important. It's a generally agreed upon sentiment that even with all of it's flaws, Andromeda would have performed much better - critically if nothing else - if it hadn't come out right after Horizon: Zero Dawn and Nier: Automata. And Breath of the Wild but I think everyone kinda saw that train coming down the tracks.
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Post by rahavan on Sept 27, 2017 5:12:05 GMT
Yeah, keeping an eye out for unknowns is important. It's a generally agreed upon sentiment that even with all of it's flaws, Andromeda would have performed much better - critically if nothing else - if it hadn't come out right after Horizon: Zero Dawn and Nier: Automata. And Breath of the Wild but I think everyone kinda saw that train coming down the tracks. Okay can we just get this straight? BoTW is NOT a good open world game its average at best. It's good for the Nintendo franchise but that don't mean shit. I will agree with you on the other two games. I still don't think MEA would have been praised regardless of when it was released though, it was the weakest game from bioware in recent years.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 5:15:56 GMT
Yeah, keeping an eye out for unknowns is important. It's a generally agreed upon sentiment that even with all of it's flaws, Andromeda would have performed much better - critically if nothing else - if it hadn't come out right after Horizon: Zero Dawn and Nier: Automata. And Breath of the Wild but I think everyone kinda saw that train coming down the tracks. Okay can we just get this straight? BoTW is NOT a good open world game its average at best. It's good for the Nintendo franchise but that don't mean shit. I will agree with you on the other two games. I still don't think MEA would have been praised regardless of when it was released though, it was the weakest game from bioware in recent years. Wouldn't know, honestly. I've never owned a Nintindo console. But that aside BoTW was extremely well reviewed and sold very well; better than Horizon which is my favorite game of the year so far. But yeah I'm not saying that MEA would be up for any game of the year awards. I'm just saying that it probably wouldn't have done as poorly as it did if it didn't have those three coming out right before it.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 27, 2017 7:22:15 GMT
No because it will really come out in fucking 2077
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 27, 2017 7:31:00 GMT
Three things- 1. CP77 will almost certainly be delayed. 2. I'm far more worried about Bioware/EA damaging DA4 than CDPR. 3. DA4 hasn't even been confirmed yet. I'm also looking forward to Greedfall and Kingdom Come:Deliverance and as they have similar settings to DA (magic and medieval) I'd say they're a bigger problem from DA's perspective.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 27, 2017 8:04:47 GMT
i'm far more concerned what happens to BioWare if Anthem is a "failure". I'm concerned because EA may have unrealistic expectations for Anthem. They're more then willing to dissolve studios that don't perform, i.e. Montreal. Shutting BioWare down (both Edmonton and Austin) seems unlikely, but I wouldn't put it past them if two BioWare games are "unsuccessful". Is there are a lot of hype for either game? DA4 doesn't technically exist and Cyber is entering The Last Guardian terrority.
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Post by Fredward on Sept 27, 2017 9:53:00 GMT
Do potatoes threaten pasta?
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Post by shechinah on Sept 27, 2017 10:02:08 GMT
Do potatoes threaten pasta? Pretty much. Does pizza threaten the burger?
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Sept 27, 2017 10:38:33 GMT
2. I'm far more worried about Bioware/EA damaging DA4 than CDPR. This is a damn good point. At this point I've honestly lost faith in Bioware. I still have a glimmer of hope that they will FINALLY learn from their mistakes and DA4 will be the one game that blows everyone's mind, a masterpiece that will be talked about in the years to come, but it's a slim chance. But to answer the OP's question, I think if they come out on the same year, DA4 will definitely suffer. Maybe not in sales (if it comes out first), but it probably won't get as many GOTY awards like DAI had. DAI was extremely lucky to be released on one of the worst years of gaming and a lot of people seem to disregard that and think, "DAI was a masterpiece, here's proof, it got like 151563 awards". With TW3 coming out like 6 months later, I remember a lot of people on the BSN forums saying they couldn't go back to DAI after having played TW3. And they were DA fans, imagine the casual fans... I know some people on this fanbase doesn't like TW3/CDPR to be mentioned or/and compared to DA/Bioware, some have this instant knee jerk reaction, but TW3 did a lot of things right and it would only be a good thing if Bioware wants to up their game and try to improve too. The Witcher franchise had a small but steady fanbase before TW3, the first two games were good but not amazing, but when the third game came out a lot of new gamers played TW3 without having even played the previous games or read the books (me included). Most of them then went back and did those things and are now fans of the franchise as well (me included). So this is something that could most definitely happen with DA if only Bioware manages to deliver something that is truly great and ambitious. I think they tried to do that to some extent with DAI by trying to "copy" Skyrim and whatnot, but we all know how that turned out. But the thing is, I think they don't realize that that's the wrong approach to try to bring new players into their franchise. Their games are focused on story and characters, so they should just concentrate on that. TW3's open world is big and immersive and full of life and great sidequests but I feel like that's more of a bonus to the great story and character interaction. This is why it's so popular, it managed to deliver on all those things while DAI failed the open world aspect and to some people, the story and characters also suffered because of it. But I digress. CyberPunk apparently will be a lot bigger than TW3 in every department, which is honestly hard to imagine, but I like to believe it's taking them several years to make this game for a reason. They want to make sure everything's right and if they manage to deliver, then I'd say that any RPG that will come out afterwards will suffer because just like with TW3, people will be too busy spending hundreds upon hundreds of hours with that game (and the DLC) that they won't care about any releases for the next few months or what came before it. I guess in the end the question is, will DA4 be released first? Will both games be released on the same year? Will CyberPunk 2077 truly deliver? Will Bioware screw up DA like they did with ME or will they try to bring us something special and amazing? One thing is clear to me at least. CD Projekt Red hasn't let me down yet and Bioware has, more than once now, so. I guess time will tell. Despite all of it, somehow I'm still hopeful for DA4 but I definitely won't preorder and I won't buy it at launch if it ends up like MEA (I only bought and played that game once all patches came out).
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Post by eriador117 on Sept 27, 2017 11:02:59 GMT
Never heard of Cyberpunk 2077 until this thread and am not interested in getting it. I still want DA, not at all concerned about other games.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 27, 2017 11:08:53 GMT
The only way I can imagine CP2077 harming DA4 (was that finally confirmed then?) is like this:
Through some twist of fate, CP2077 is released way before DA4. It's really successful, and BioWare feels the need to rework DA4 to ape whatever CP2077 feature is considered a big contributor to its success - without truly understanding how that feature works or what people really liked about it. You know, like "checking out Skyrim aggressively" and making big maps with little interesting content.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 27, 2017 11:23:07 GMT
Do potatoes threaten pasta? Pretty much. Does pizza threaten the burger? Better question: Does a burger threaten the hot dog?🤔
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 27, 2017 12:44:23 GMT
I don't think so. While both are RPGs, they are RPGs in vastly different settings. Add that and the fact they will most likely try to release a few months apart and there is enough between them to not hurt each other. MEA, Horizom, and Breath of the Wild were all in different settings and were often compared together in certain areas such as animations, open world execution and narrative. 2 areas where CP2077 and DA4 could be compared are side quest design and open world execution. Hell even their multiplayer elements could be compared against each other. Im not trying to start a DA4 vs CP2077 flame war. I am just asking a legit question that could actually happen. After TW3 came out, DAI was torn apart when compared to the perceived superior side quest and open world design of TW3. Luckily for DA4, it didnt effect review scores or sales cause DAI had been out for like 6 months already. However with CP2077 and DA4, they could be out within a few month apart or like Zelda/Horizon....only like a week apart. If thats the case and reviewer's compares the two together and CP2077 has the better open world, narrative, and side quest, they could have a lesser than impressive view of DA4 cause they would consider DA4 to be repeating the same mistakes as DAI and somewhat MEA while CP2077 improves upon TW3. If that happens, then it could effect DA4s review scores and initial impressions and thus sales. It wont be as bad as MEA, but it would be an uphill climb.
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