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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 19:27:49 GMT
Fun stuff.
There's one (or more, depending on how I feel) more thing about the Wehrmacht, too. Everyone thinks they had these super duper undefeatable Panzers, but any PzKpfw was terrifyingly outclassed by LT vz. 35 and 38. The ST vz. 39 (PzKpfw III comparable) never made military service and only has it's service name because it would supposedly help export. Just didn't make it fast enough.
Another juicy one, Puška vz. 24 versus the almighty super Kar98k. One introduced in 1924, the other in 1935, 11 years later (I'll let you guess which is which, it's fairly trivial). Both are Mauser system rifles. Both are nearly identical. How many will figure the joke out?
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 19:30:04 GMT
Well, I come from a nation that still holds it as a matter of national pride that "we" fought off the tanks on foot by strapping a few grenades to a man who threw himself under the tank, so horses and lances is a step up. 'Twas my favorite song in kindergarten, of men doing that. Vodka for volunteers? I remember a story from the Russian lines. That they trained dogs to look for food under tanks. Eventually strapped a mine to their backs, and let them out during a Panzer attack. Slight hiccup, they were used to look for food under T-34s.
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Post by skrillex on Sept 27, 2017 19:30:11 GMT
COULD CYBERPUNK 2077 HURT DA4? No,DAI already did that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:34:23 GMT
Well, I come from a nation that still holds it as a matter of national pride that "we" fought off the tanks on foot by strapping a few grenades to a man who threw himself under the tank, so horses and lances is a step up. 'Twas my favorite song in kindergarten, of men doing that. Vodka for volunteers? I remember a story from the Russian lines. That they trained dogs to look for food under tanks. Eventually strapped a mine to their backs, and let them out during a Panzer attack. Slight hiccup, they were used to look for food under T-34s. Well, last I've heard, they weren't speaking German in Moscow, so they did what they had to.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 27, 2017 19:36:38 GMT
COULD CYBERPUNK 2077 HURT DA4? No,DAI already did that. You mean Bioware's best-selling game to date DAI? That's like saying The Witcher 3 will hurt Cyberpunk 2077.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:38:43 GMT
COULD CYBERPUNK 2077 HURT DA4? No,DAI already did that. You mean Bioware's best-selling game to date DAI? That's like saying The Witcher 3 will hurt Cyberpunk 2077. ...the dog it was that died?
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 19:38:55 GMT
Vodka for volunteers? I remember a story from the Russian lines. That they trained dogs to look for food under tanks. Eventually strapped a mine to their backs, and let them out during a Panzer attack. Slight hiccup, they were used to look for food under T-34s. Well, last I've heard, they weren't speaking German in Moscow, so they did what they had to. Hey, we got sold out and ended up with exiles all over. They did their job alright. Just sad how the ones who ran west ended up after '48.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:41:51 GMT
Well, last I've heard, they weren't speaking German in Moscow, so they did what they had to. Hey, we got sold out and ended up with exiles all over. They did their job alright. Just sad how the ones who ran west ended up after '48. What happened, happened, and what will happen, will.
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 19:43:10 GMT
Hey, we got sold out and ended up with exiles all over. They did their job alright. Just sad how the ones who ran west ended up after '48. What happened, happened, and what will happen, will. Yeah. Sad, though.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 19:53:57 GMT
Worth pointing out that the Witcher franchise has sold a combined 25 million copies, according to Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find hard numbers on the Dragon Age franchise but apparently the Mass Effect franchise has sold a combined 14 million copies; given the high overlap between the two franchise's player base, I think it's safe to assume that Dragon Age is in a similar ball park but like I said, I can't back that up with hard numbers right now.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 27, 2017 20:32:03 GMT
COULD CYBERPUNK 2077 HURT DA4? No,DAI already did that.
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 21:22:24 GMT
Worth pointing out that the Witcher franchise has sold a combined 25 million copies, according to Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find hard numbers on the Dragon Age franchise but apparently the Mass Effect franchise has sold a combined 14 million copies; given the high overlap between the two franchise's player base, I think it's safe to assume that Dragon Age is in a similar ball park but like I said, I can't back that up with hard numbers right now. Problem is that everyone and their mother bought it. Even people who never heard of RPGs before. My wild guess is, that's precisely the reason it redefined the genre. Easy for somthing to redefine a genre for you if you have no clue about the genre in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 21:54:26 GMT
I am a not-owner, and neither is my mother. I intend to purchase Cyberpunk however, if I am still gaming when it's released. My mom, again, won't.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Sept 27, 2017 22:20:10 GMT
Will posters stop asking stupid questions?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 27, 2017 22:54:17 GMT
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 28, 2017 0:59:47 GMT
Worth pointing out that the Witcher franchise has sold a combined 25 million copies, according to Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find hard numbers on the Dragon Age franchise but apparently the Mass Effect franchise has sold a combined 14 million copies; given the high overlap between the two franchise's player base, I think it's safe to assume that Dragon Age is in a similar ball park but like I said, I can't back that up with hard numbers right now. Problem is that everyone and their mother bought it. Even people who never heard of RPGs before. My wild guess is, that's precisely the reason it redefined the genre. Easy for somthing to redefine a genre for you if you have no clue about the genre in the first place. I don't see that as a problem. In general one want's to attract new audiences and grow the genre's popularity. Anyway the point being that while this is a Dragon Age forum and the people here in all likelyhood have a pro-dragon age bias, it would be a mistake for anyone to suggest that Dragon Age is the bigger, more successful franchise when evidence seems to be pointing towards the contrary. Now, if one wants to argue that the real franchise dispute here is Bioware vs CDPR, given that we aren't talking about Dragon Age 4 vs Witcher 4(which I'm given to understand is a thing that is happening), then Bioware is almost undoubtedly the more successful in the long term.
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Post by kino on Sept 28, 2017 1:32:18 GMT
No. Two different genres not even remotely related to each other.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 28, 2017 2:43:51 GMT
Short answer, no.
Long answer, both will be put after 2020 anyway so well see how it goes. Cyberpunk being based on the tabletop can be a good idea...but the Cyberpunk 2020 tabletop was kind of messy, a very unrefined version of other skill based games I've played, and it mostly stems to the lethal combat kind of throwing things out the window.
I doubt they will take that wholesale, but 2077 right now all we know from the poor marketing is unusual cybernetics and the ability to be different classes. Hopefully it pans out.
Dragon Age is basically set in stone where we are going next, and as a narrative experience we will see continued changes to the world and possibly full scale war between groups and countries...or a shadow game of politics and intrigue setting that up. Id figure the combat in inquisition will be similar to what we see in 4, and the in engine designs are not going to change, but whay needs an overhaul is more artistry in the cinematics...funny how adding cin emails made witcher 3 so damn popular for some reason...
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Post by alihou on Sept 28, 2017 3:17:57 GMT
The answer is a resounding YES! Let's face it, CDPR is going to release a gem with so much content, people are going to freak out about it. I'm not saying DA4 is gonna be bad, I think it has the makings to be a great game. Bioware doesn't have the kind of backing when it comes to budget, time, and resources. They'll also cut a lot of corners as per usual... Just being real. Realistically I'll be buying both games. However, many consumers will spend big money on a single RPG, and they'll probably purchase Cyberpunk because it'll have the great reviews and fan support on the internet.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 28, 2017 3:43:41 GMT
Problem is that everyone and their mother bought it. The Witcher 3 sold very well, but not quite THAT well. Skyrim could probably make that claim, though. Its sales top 30 million alone. I know people who normally wouldn't touch an RPG with a proverbial 10-foot pole that own Skyrim.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 28, 2017 4:22:50 GMT
Skyrim is partly inflated because it's not so much that everyone and their mother bought it, but that everyone bought it and then half of everyone bought it a second time. I recall it's sales being somewhere closer to twenty million before the HD special edition release.
Granted that is one game where the sales are greater than the entire Witcher franchise combined. While we don't have hard numbers I wouldn't be surprised if it's sales were higher than both the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series put together. Hell, it has nearly half-again as much sales as all the other entries in it's own series put together(the whole TES series stands at 52 million units sold).
So maybe the real question we should be asking isn't whether or not Cyberpunk is a threat to DA4, but whether whatever it is Bethesda has coming down the pipeline is a threat.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 28, 2017 4:24:34 GMT
I should note that, impressive though they may be, even the accumulated sales of the entire Elder Scrolls series are still nothing compared to the units pushed by the Pokemon franchise. We all live in Pikachu's shadow, and almost none of us know it.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 28, 2017 4:36:31 GMT
Mario's the best selling franchise of all time. Followed by Pokemon, followed by Grand Theft Auto & Call of Duty.
What marks Elder Scrolls out as special is that it's the best selling Western RPG of all time - Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest both outshine it by significant margins in sales.
Skyrim is the eleventh best selling single video game of all time; Tetris is the top seller, followed by Minecraft followed by Wii Sports followed by GTA V. But again, Skyrim's notable for being the only Western RPG in the top 50.
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Post by river82 on Sept 28, 2017 6:02:37 GMT
Er, comparing the cumulative sales of game franchises with 20+ entries to franchises with 6 entries is quite the pointless exercise. Take Final Fantasy for example, the franchise may have sold more than Elder Scrolls and yet it's highest selling entry barely tops 10 million, and is steadily declining. It's popularity is not in the same ballpark as Bethesda if Skyrim did manage to sell 30 million. Dragon Quest is even worse - popular in Japan but struggles to move respectable units outside Japan making its worldwide sales of each game (comparatively speaking) quite lackluster. I doubt the Dragon Quest franchise tops the Elder Scrolls franchis despite having about 30 entries in the series.
Pokemon's a different thing entirely, holy cripes can those games move a bunch of units 0.0
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 28, 2017 6:41:47 GMT
That is true. Pokemon has something like seven titles in the top fifty best selling games of all time.
Somehow I've never bought a single one but then I was a Digimon fan.
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