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Post by Sah291 on Jan 11, 2018 16:09:38 GMT
I was noticing in my recent playthrough, there is quite a lot of elven art, which appears to be depicting Ghilan'nain, with super long flowing hair. The gods also get depicted in animal forms frequently in art, which I'm assuming is just symbolic most of the time, even if they were actually mages who could shapeshift.
So maybe it's just the art style to depict them bald in the mosaics. Or maybe it was a status thing, like the servants or priesthood would remove their hair, or the elite would grow theirs out to show their nobility, or something like that.
Interesting in the art of Solas removing the vallaslin, the elves shown with hair are ones without the vallaslin on their faces. Either we can assume the ones with hair are freed slaves, or allowing hair to grow was a mark of freedom or status.
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Post by ellehaym on Jan 11, 2018 17:22:13 GMT
I had a similar opinion too about hair. That baldness is another way for the higher ups to control the slaves. Afterall, with hair you can at least have some freedom to shape it however you liked, but if everyone is bald then everyone looks the same at 1st glance and each lose individuality due to that sameness.
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Post by theascendent on Jan 11, 2018 18:08:46 GMT
Sometimes I have wondered if a pre-requisite to be able to do magic at all is to have some elf blood. Wouldn't that be irksome for the Magisters who treat elves like crap but owe their abilities to having an elven ancestor sometime in the distant past? While possible probably unlikely. According to World of Thedas humans of Tevinter were practising magic before they made contact with the Elves.
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Post by theascendent on Jan 11, 2018 18:13:56 GMT
The hair issue reminds me of the Red Wizards of Thay, being the only people in the country allowed to wear red and symbolically shaving their heads to visually and distinctly differentiate themselves from the masses.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 11, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
The hair issue reminds me of the Red Wizards of Thay, being the only people in the country allowed to wear red and symbolically shaving their heads to visually and distinctly differentiate themselves from the masses. Moment of appreciation for Safiya, the loveliest Red Wizard of all.
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Post by Sah291 on Jan 11, 2018 18:37:14 GMT
Sometimes I have wondered if a pre-requisite to be able to do magic at all is to have some elf blood. Wouldn't that be irksome for the Magisters who treat elves like crap but owe their abilities to having an elven ancestor sometime in the distant past? While possible probably unlikely. According to World of Thedas humans of Tevinter were practising magic before they made contact with the Elves. Yes they were supposedly taught by dragons, according to the lore, and I thought it was implied somewhere mages in Tevinter believed having dragon blood or ancestry had something to do with it. They do appear to think blood is important...but I always thought maybe it was a way for the nobility to keep track of royal blood. But since the rulers were traditionally mages anyway, I guess it's kind of the same thing to them.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 11, 2018 21:41:01 GMT
Sometimes I have wondered if a pre-requisite to be able to do magic at all is to have some elf blood. Wouldn't that be irksome for the Magisters who treat elves like crap but owe their abilities to having an elven ancestor sometime in the distant past? While possible probably unlikely. According to World of Thedas humans of Tevinter were practising magic before they made contact with the Elves. I'm looking at WoT Vol. 1 right now, and the timeline suggests otherwise. -3100 Ancient, this is supposedly when humans arrived in Thedas. -2850 Ancient, elves are said to have first noticed the quickening, which leads them to withdraw from human contact -2800 Ancient, the Old Gods begin whispering to Neromenian tribesmen, teaching them magic -1700 Ancient, the Neromenian tribes split to form four kingdoms: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, and Qarinus -981 Ancient, tensions between Tevinter and the elves turn to open war, the Imperium besieges Arlathan -975 Ancient, siege of Arlathan ends when it sinks into the ground So to me it looks like humans arrived, there was some interaction between humans and elves, Old Gods taught precursors of Tevinter magisters magic, Arlathan is lost. There were 250-300 years of potential interbreeding between elves and humans before humans learned magic.
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Post by theascendent on Jan 11, 2018 22:07:50 GMT
I didn't realize that the Elves met the humans prior to the Imperium. The timeline was always a little tricky for me. I wonder when the civil war that shattered the Elves post Veil occurred, which allowed the Imperium to scoop up the remaining Elves.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 11, 2018 22:58:25 GMT
Sometimes I have wondered if a pre-requisite to be able to do magic at all is to have some elf blood. Wouldn't that be irksome for the Magisters who treat elves like crap but owe their abilities to having an elven ancestor sometime in the distant past? While possible probably unlikely. According to World of Thedas humans of Tevinter were practising magic before they made contact with the Elves. My theory is that the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones and that they taught the people of the Tevinter Imperium magic through dreams for their own ends. Altus mages are after all believed to be descendents of somniaris or other people who were able to speak to the Old Gods in the Fade.
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Post by kitcat1228 on Jan 11, 2018 23:34:50 GMT
Sometimes I have wondered if a pre-requisite to be able to do magic at all is to have some elf blood. Wouldn't that be irksome for the Magisters who treat elves like crap but owe their abilities to having an elven ancestor sometime in the distant past? While possible probably unlikely. According to World of Thedas humans of Tevinter were practising magic before they made contact with the Elves. Of course World of Thedas is written as by Thedas scholars, and we know from Dorian (and Solas) that many of the magical spells and inventions the Magisters think there ancestors created were actually created by the ancient elves. So it could be that all mages have some elf blood.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 11, 2018 23:38:42 GMT
I didn't realize that the Elves met the humans prior to the Imperium. The timeline was always a little tricky for me. I wonder when the civil war that shattered the Elves post Veil occurred, which allowed the Imperium to scoop up the remaining Elves. It's hard to say with any certainty, for sure. We can figure out some very rough dates for Elvhen war history based on the WoT timeline and what we learned about the ancient elves from Abelas and in the Trespasser DLC. And I don't think it's impossible that the civil war started long before the Veil was raised, or that there were a chain of civil wars that broke the back of Elvhenan, leading to its complete downfall in that last skirmish with the Tevinter Imperium. -4600 Ancient is supposedly when the elves made first contact with the dwarves. Presumably not long after that is when Mythal and Solas did whatever they did to the Titans and dwarves. Did that start a/the civil war? Maybe, if the other Evanuris thought that access to lyrium would give Mythal and Solas an edge over them. -3100 Ancient is supposedly when humans arrived in Thedas, but scholars rightly ask where they came from and why they left that place. A largely unfounded speculation I have about this is... Ghilan'nain apparently was a bit of a mad scientist, and enjoyed creating new lifeforms. Were humans a lifeform she made as soldiers to fight for the Evanuris during a/the civil war? -2850 Ancient is supposedly when the elves noticed the quickening, which Solas told us was due to the Veil being raised, not to the arrival of humans. So presumably Mythal had been murdered by this point, prompting Solas to raise the Veil. But what we don't know is whether previously immortal Elvhen would have noticed that they were aging and dying immediately, or if there would have been a lag of decades or centuries between the Veil being raised and their immortality being lost. At any rate, Mythal's death and locking away the other Evanuris, not to mention the Fade, behind the Veil created chaos in Elvhenan, according to the Archivists and books in the Vir Dirthara, and Solas himself - it's not unrealistic to think that the different factions, now leaderless thanks to Solas, began fighting amongst themselves for primacy as remaining Elvhen tried to replace the lost Evanuris. -981 Ancient is when open war broke out between the Tevinter Imperium and Arlathan, and 6 years later is when Arlathan fell, sinking into the earth (because of Titans?). But Abelas tells us that the Elvhen were already weakened by infighting, that the Tevinters were only preying on what was already for all intents and purposes, a dead empire. So... there could have been one long war that never really got put to rest over the course of more than 3600 years, or there could have been a sequence of conflicts that wore the Empire down over time.
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