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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 9, 2017 19:12:35 GMT
#SavePlayer1 twitter campaign is getting some traction too.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 9, 2017 19:30:05 GMT
You do release their single player releases have bombed this year right?
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Post by phoray on Dec 9, 2017 19:34:09 GMT
what do you mean by traction, PapaCharlie9 ? I don't reddit, twitter, or facebook. So other than that cute trailer, I got no clue.
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
what do you mean by traction, PapaCharlie9 ? I don't reddit, twitter, or facebook. So other than that cute trailer, I got no clue. Bethesda are using the current angst against EA and their perceived intention to drift away from single player to advertise their wares. "So whether you pick up Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, The Evil Within 2, Prey, Dishonored 2, DOOM, Fallout 4: Game of the Year, Skyrim Special Edition – or all of the above – rest assured that Bethesda has you covered with a critically acclaimed, award-winning single-player game that’s just what you need." Yeah, piss off Bethesda.
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Post by phoray on Dec 9, 2017 19:58:23 GMT
I like Bethesda as a company, I suppose, but I have not liked Skyrim or Fallout nor have interest in their other games... They focus in sandbox and that's too free and meaningless to me.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 9, 2017 20:07:10 GMT
I like Bethesda as a company, I suppose, but I have not liked Skyrim or Fallout nor have interest in their other games... They focus in sandbox and that's too free and meaningless to me. I don't think they're bad, it's just this is a marketing ploy, and all of those single player games that don't include Skyrim or Fallout have flopped.. which actually proves EA right about linear single player games having decreased in popularity (linear means games that are like Uncharted, scripted 10-20 hr campaigns with limited replayability, not the big open world single player games which do well now like DAI or Horizon Zero Dawn). It feels very unprofessional to me to have a jab like that at another publisher, specially when they are deliberately mischaracterising what they actually said. But I guess they are quite desperate for sales?
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Post by phoray on Dec 9, 2017 20:10:45 GMT
I like Bethesda as a company, I suppose, but I have not liked Skyrim or Fallout nor have interest in their other games... They focus in sandbox and that's too free and meaningless to me. I don't think they're bad, it's just this is a marketing ploy, and all of those single player games that don't include Skyrim or Fallout have flopped.. which actually proves EA right about linear single player games having decreased in popularity (linear means games that are like Uncharted, scripted 10-20 hr campaigns with limited replayability, not the big open world single player games which do well now like DAI or Horizon Zero Dawn). It feels very unprofessional to me to have a jab like that at another publisher, specially when they are deliberately mischaracterising what they actually said. But I guess they are quite desperate for sales? Oh, so what you're saying you have a problem with is CDPR and Bethesda trying to profit off of EA's headache. I see what you're saying... I'm personally okay with it, it's an amusing jab, but it could backfire for them.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 9, 2017 20:15:14 GMT
I don't think they're bad, it's just this is a marketing ploy, and all of those single player games that don't include Skyrim or Fallout have flopped.. which actually proves EA right about linear single player games having decreased in popularity (linear means games that are like Uncharted, scripted 10-20 hr campaigns with limited replayability, not the big open world single player games which do well now like DAI or Horizon Zero Dawn). It feels very unprofessional to me to have a jab like that at another publisher, specially when they are deliberately mischaracterising what they actually said. But I guess they are quite desperate for sales? Oh, so what you're saying you have a problem with is CDPR and Bethesda trying to profit off of EA's headache. I see what you're saying... I'm personally okay with it, it's an amusing jab, but it could backfire for them. I actually found it funny at first, it's an amusing ad, but I am so over people finding every little thing to demonise EA over and using this, specially as it keeps spreading round that EA don't think single palyer games are popular, which isn't true at all. I'm annoyed at CDPR mainly over them mistreating their workers with permanent crunch, which I suppose is a separate issue though.
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Post by phoray on Dec 9, 2017 20:18:15 GMT
CDPR mainly over them mistreating their workers with permanent crunch, which I suppose is a separate issue though. I was watching a CDPR video series, and I'm not so certain that it's abuse from their perspective, but culturally expected. When the founder was told they'd need more people to make TW1, the founder replied, "What do you mean, we're polish. We'll just work more." In the end, even their polish working ethic was not enough so they got more people. But why would he think that if it weren't a cuturally pervasive idea?
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 9, 2017 20:24:26 GMT
CDPR mainly over them mistreating their workers with permanent crunch, which I suppose is a separate issue though. I was watching a CDPR video series, and I'm not so certain that it's abuse from their perspective, but culturally expected. When the founder was told they'd need more people to make TW1, the founder replied, "What do you mean, we're polish. We'll just work more." In the end, even their polish working ethic was not enough so they got more people. But why would he think that if it weren't a cuturally pervasive idea? There were complaints though, that's why it become news through the Glassdoor reviews. And they apparently have quite high turnover, so it could just be the culture with the leadership. I'm not sure culture perspective makes it right though, there are documented serious health and social issues with crunch, if other developers are able to work without permanent crunch so should they. I don't know, it was more their PR statements after the Glassdoor reviews came out, where they didn't deny the crunch but were basically "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" which to me is such a shitty attitude to take.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 9, 2017 21:36:17 GMT
what do you mean by traction, PapaCharlie9 ? I don't reddit, twitter, or facebook. So other than that cute trailer, I got no clue. Bethesda are using the current angst against EA and their perceived intention to drift away from single player to advertise their wares. "So whether you pick up Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, The Evil Within 2, Prey, Dishonored 2, DOOM, Fallout 4: Game of the Year, Skyrim Special Edition – or all of the above – rest assured that Bethesda has you covered with a critically acclaimed, award-winning single-player game that’s just what you need." Yeah, piss off Bethesda. Yeah, there not perfectly clean in all this, either. Especially with there paid mods system. Also, this should be in the Other Games thread.
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Post by Frost on Dec 9, 2017 21:37:46 GMT
Bethesda are using the current angst against EA and their perceived intention to drift away from single player to advertise their wares. It is not only perceived. It is what EA is and has been doing. All EA cares about is microtransactions/loot boxes. A while back there was Frank Gibeau saying he wouldn't green light any single player only games. Now, they closed Visceral Games. They moved development of Mass Effect Andromeda from Bioware's main office so that the main office could work on a Destiny clone. The only thing left of the old Bioware is Dragon Age. So, I am glad that Bethesda put out that video.
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Post by Serza on Dec 10, 2017 0:24:27 GMT
Beyond that jacket crying because of the monstrous warcrime they did to it...
This is the company that's literally trying to lock MODS behind a paywall, guys. WHILE making some dough off to the side that will never make it to the mod developer. Pretty sure we got Patreon and Donate buttons on the Nexus mods for that precise reason.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 10, 2017 2:34:30 GMT
You do release their single player releases have bombed this year right? Wolfenstein 2 went up against Super Mario Ofyssey and Assassin’s Creed: Origins, so no shocker there.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 10, 2017 2:50:55 GMT
Ah well, that's business. Take advantage quick. I've played, three I guess, Bethesda games. ES IV Oblivion, FO 3 and Dishonored I & II. Disliked the first two and liked the last. For me, it's the only worthy horse in Bethesda's stable. Why is this topic in DAI? Shouldn't it be in Games section?
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Post by phoray on Dec 10, 2017 5:51:34 GMT
Well, EA owns Bioware which is Dragon Age
And Dragon Age is Linear Single Player
So OP is loosely related to future of DA Franchise?
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 10, 2017 10:26:04 GMT
Well, EA owns Bioware which is Dragon Age And Dragon Age is Linear Single Player So OP is loosely related to future of DA Franchise? Actually Dragon Age is not a linear game. None of BioWares IPs are. Linear games are games with short 10-20 hr campaigns with very limited replayability i.e no large world to explore , no choices like in RPGs. Think games like Uncharted or Wolfenstein II - not big RPGs.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 10, 2017 10:43:01 GMT
Well, EA owns Bioware which is Dragon Age And Dragon Age is Linear Single Player So OP is loosely related to future of DA Franchise? Actually Dragon Age is not a linear game. None of BioWares IPs are. Linear games are games with short 10-20 hr campaigns with very limited replayability i.e no large world to explore , no choices like in RPGs. Think games like Uncharted or Wolfenstein II - not big RPGs. And what change in the world, if Hawke –for example– supported the mages (not including s/he felt better)? Or dalish Warden asked King Alistair for a land to his/her people? Only a little side-note, or nothing. These decisions only fake decisions, this is a series, they can't writing so many different worlds.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 10, 2017 10:50:10 GMT
Actually Dragon Age is not a linear game. None of BioWares IPs are. Linear games are games with short 10-20 hr campaigns with very limited replayability i.e no large world to explore , no choices like in RPGs. Think games like Uncharted or Wolfenstein II - not big RPGs. And what change in the world, if Hawke –for example– supported the mages (not including s/he felt better)? Or dalish Warden asked King Alistair for a land to his/her people? Only a little side-note, or nothing. These decisions only fake decisions, this is a series, they can't writing so many different worlds. It's a lot longer than a 10 hr game though. And yes, those choices make you more likely to replay - like the different LIs for example. In DAI, there's the templer quest or you chose the mage quest. And again, they aren't asking for $60 for a 10 hr game - which is what the linear games are.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 10, 2017 11:09:24 GMT
And what change in the world, if Hawke –for example– supported the mages (not including s/he felt better)? Or dalish Warden asked King Alistair for a land to his/her people? Only a little side-note, or nothing. These decisions only fake decisions, this is a series, they can't writing so many different worlds. It's a lot longer than a 10 hr game though. And yes, those choices make you more likely to replay - like the different LIs for example. In DAI, there's the templer quest or you chose the mage quest. And again, they aren't asking for $60 for a 10 hr game - which is what the linear games are. A linear game can also be valuable, with a pretty good battle-system, rich story, good characters etc... DA not fully linear, yes, but but your character's decisions not really matter in the end results. Who's the Divine? I don't think this will count in the next part of the story. This will be only a side note. But okay, the replay factor is high, and the different viewpoints are very interesting.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 10, 2017 11:14:39 GMT
It's a lot longer than a 10 hr game though. And yes, those choices make you more likely to replay - like the different LIs for example. In DAI, there's the templer quest or you chose the mage quest. And again, they aren't asking for $60 for a 10 hr game - which is what the linear games are. A linear game can also be valuable, with a pretty good battle-system, rich story, good characters etc... DA not fully linear, yes, but but your character's decisions not really matter in the end results. Who's the Divine? I don't think this will count in the next part of the story. This will be only a side note. But okay, the replay factor is high, and the different viewpoints are very interesting. A linear game can be valuable, it's just that it's a lot harder for publishers to sell now - they have to be pretty much the best with no flaws which is really hard to achieve. If you're interested in the current market around single players game this post explains it far better than I can: link
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Post by Fredward on Dec 10, 2017 13:04:51 GMT
Hey it's Magnolia. Anyway, I'm not gonna shake a fist at anyone shaking a fist at multiplayer, while still recognizing the shadiness of so transparently attempting to capitalize on another company's woes.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 10, 2017 19:34:41 GMT
Also, this should be in the Other Games thread. Why is this topic in DAI? Shouldn't it be in Games section? Sorry, I assumed the justification for putting this in the DAI thread was self-evident, but I was mistaken. I'll correct that now. Over the last few months or so, I've seen several posts here expressing anxiety for the future of the DA franchise with respect to single-player games, and over the pressure/influence EA may have on Bioware to twist DA into some kind of game as a service, with the SP mode being an afterthought. The point of posting this vid here is that -- while, yes, it's an exploitative marketing play -- it does highlight the fact that there is still a market for SP-first games. The traction it's getting on social networks is further support. The fact that it's Bethesda and about their games was, to mind, irrelevant. Arguably, there has been even more angst about SP for Anthem, but someone had already posted the video there before me. Frost said it best: Bethesda are using the current angst against EA and their perceived intention to drift away from single player to advertise their wares. It is not only perceived. It is what EA is and has been doing. All EA cares about is microtransactions/loot boxes. A while back there was Frank Gibeau saying he wouldn't green light any single player only games. Now, they closed Visceral Games. They moved development of Mass Effect Andromeda from Bioware's main office so that the main office could work on a Destiny clone. The only thing left of the old Bioware is Dragon Age. So, I am glad that Bethesda put out that video.
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Post by rahavan on Dec 12, 2017 2:32:19 GMT
I still don't trust bethesda, barely better than EA. After porting skyrim to the switch and not fixing any bugs they have clearly shown they don't give a shit about consumers.
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