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Post by hulluliini on Mar 1, 2019 12:24:05 GMT
How is that? You can headcanon anything you want - I sure do - (...) As far as I am concerned only the very first play-through counts, when I was unbiased. I also generally try to avoid meta-game thinking (which is why I did not save the Destiny Ascension in spite of generally playing Paragon, for example). The fun thing about Mass Effect is the choices you can make. However, the ability to choose is irrelevant if you don't have to suffer the consequences. My policy was always: Make your choice, stick with it, suffer the consequences. My very first playthrough's ending was not my conscious choice. I didn't realise there are three walkways which lead to different choices - I only saw the one going forward and expected to get a prompt for a choice when I reach the beam, but ended up "choosing" synthesis instead. I guess it's a good thing I'm not actually Shepard lol, I'm obviously not intelligent enough.
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Post by dstenning on Mar 1, 2019 16:12:53 GMT
Be interesting to know how much the success of anthem has a say on the future of ME.
I mean, if Anthem bombs (looking likely) will they be good for ME? will Bioware realise they need to go back to what they know best or will funding for bioware be pulled as a result? will they try and fail to re-invent different versions of a failed anthem?
equally, should Anthem be a huge success, will that spur Bioware to forget about ME and press forward with the mind-numbingly boring, aimed at kids and halfwhits online model of gaming?
I think the best thing for ME is for Anthem to neither succeed or fail but to simply be just an alright game that just about hit the figures intended financially but not enough to press on with any further
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 1, 2019 18:00:22 GMT
I don't think they'll simply give up on Mass Effect or Dragon Age, because it's still a brand that has a value. Release a new product with a "Mass Effect" stamp on it and is certain to get a lot of attention, albeit a lot of very sceptical attention. One doesn't simply ignore an asset like that, regardless of the success of Anthem. The worst that can happen is that the do the Lucas, sell it to Disney, and Disney turns Mass Effect into an animated series, with occasional jump and run games for kids on smartphones.
I don't really expect this to happen though. More likely: They will do nothing for a couple to let the anger and frustration settle down, so that Mass Effect is rather seen with nostalgia, and then develop a new game. Likely not a successor of Andromeda. I don't expect a new Mass Effect in the next eight years or so.
What I would like most is Andromeda 2, of course, but that appears less likely at the moment.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 1, 2019 18:46:49 GMT
what type of player character do we want?
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Post by yan on Mar 1, 2019 22:48:11 GMT
what type of player character do we want? an adult, is a good start.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 1, 2019 23:10:21 GMT
what type of player character do we want? an adult, is a good start. True, an adult is always a good thing and it should be a given that we should roleplay as an adult for Mass Effect game. Keep in mind that there are many possible Player characters that could be developed within Mass Effect. True I have a few in mind but even then, poorly written they can become unlikable and even a bigger flop than Ryder. Cerberus Phantom Commander, A Volus Infilitrator, Turian Blue Sun Platoon Commander, Turian Havoc Commander, and C-Sec Officer are my ideas for Player Characters that have any development in my head. Asari Duelist would be a possible Player Character as well. Keep mind that these characters are what I would love to see in a future Mass Effect games.
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 1, 2019 23:48:36 GMT
I think that Ryder was actually a good choice for a character. The point of a trilogy Bioware they clearly intended to create is not just to kill some mobs, save the day couple of times, but to grow in the process. Ryder is inexperienced, his crew does not take him or her all that serious, and the leadership of the Initiative, in spite having seriously messed up themselves, shows no respect whatsoever. Ryder often acts insecure and is not all that sure of him- or herself. But things change throughout the story. That's pretty similar to Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Star Wars. The story of an ordinary person rising to greatness. The idea behind it is to earn the respect, one doesn't just get it handed to them. If you compare the reactions of other characters, and even the way Ryder expresses, I believe you can see how Ryder develops even throughout the game. The most obvious example would be Addison, who refers to Ryder by name rather than title, but uses the title in a completely natural and even respectful fashion towards the end. Ryder is not just a pathfinder, he is the first and foremost pathfinder of the Initiative. If Andromeda were to continue, Ryder's tone and the way Ryder is perceived by others is likely to have greatly changed. Shepard was different in so far as he or she was already N7, amongst the best young agents that humanity had to offer (but about 8 to 10 years older than Ryder, not counting the time in cryostasis). Still, the theme remained the same, because the stage was different. Shepard was completely ordinary in so far as he was human. Shepard was the upstart and newcomer in so far as he represented humanity on that stage, humans were generally disrespected by the council races and had yet to prove themselves, in the person of Shepard.
In contrast, I'd find the story of a rather static character, who is king of the hill already, rather dull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2019 1:15:54 GMT
Shepard was different in so far as he or she was already N7, amongst the best young agents that humanity had to offer (but about 8 to 10 years older than Ryder, not counting the time in cryostasis). 7 years. Shepard is 29 in ME1 and Ryder is 22 in MEA.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 2, 2019 15:35:20 GMT
I think that Ryder was actually a good choice for a character. The point of a trilogy Bioware they clearly intended to create is not just to kill some mobs, save the day couple of times, but to grow in the process. Ryder is inexperienced, his crew does not take him or her all that serious, and the leadership of the Initiative, in spite having seriously messed up themselves, shows no respect whatsoever. Ryder often acts insecure and is not all that sure of him- or herself. But things change throughout the story. That's pretty similar to Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Star Wars. The story of an ordinary person rising to greatness. The idea behind it is to earn the respect, one doesn't just get it handed to them. If you compare the reactions of other characters, and even the way Ryder expresses, I believe you can see how Ryder develops even throughout the game. The most obvious example would be Addison, who refers to Ryder by name rather than title, but uses the title in a completely natural and even respectful fashion towards the end. Ryder is not just a pathfinder, he is the first and foremost pathfinder of the Initiative. If Andromeda were to continue, Ryder's tone and the way Ryder is perceived by others is likely to have greatly changed. Shepard was different in so far as he or she was already N7, amongst the best young agents that humanity had to offer (but about 8 to 10 years older than Ryder, not counting the time in cryostasis). Still, the theme remained the same, because the stage was different. Shepard was completely ordinary in so far as he was human. Shepard was the upstart and newcomer in so far as he represented humanity on that stage, humans were generally disrespected by the council races and had yet to prove themselves, in the person of Shepard.
In contrast, I'd find the story of a rather static character, who is king of the hill already, rather dull.
The only thing i didn't like is when bioware said that they were thinking on having different protagonist in andromeda, similar to da(someone has mentioned that here long ago).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:26:14 GMT
I hope they don't. Some might wish for a continued protagonist in DA … again, I hope they don't.
I like the idea of a character that continues through a multiple game story arc, such as ME … but I also value the new character that emerges from each DA. Both approaches bring something to the mix.
In DA2, there was only an option for a human protagonist … it fit the story … but I appreciate the multi-race approach of DAO and DAI. I hope DA4 continues with that approach.
In ME, it's a story about humanity's interrelationships with other sapient beings … first in the MW, now in Andromeda. I hope MEA2 or whatever ME5 becomes, continues with that approach.
It makes the story telling different for the two IPs … vastly prefer that, rather than story telling that is differentiated mostly by whether it is sci-fi themed or fantasy.
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Post by sil on Mar 2, 2019 20:04:31 GMT
I'd be happy for Mass Effect to go through 3-game cycles for each character. That way we get enough time with each to grow attached, before refreshening the story and series through new eyes. I just wish they would put asari, turians, and krogan on the backburner for the next game and focus on all the more alien and underdeveloped races instead.
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 2, 2019 21:28:38 GMT
The only thing i didn't like is when bioware said that they were thinking on having different protagonist in andromeda, similar to da(someone has mentioned that here long ago). That would not make any sense at all. Apart from not being fully developed, the story line about the Ryder siblings' mother is not yet concluded and other mysteries do seem to tie in to the family. I believe of all the options, to continue Andromeda and then not expand on Ryder is the worst Bioware could do.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 2, 2019 22:31:26 GMT
I would like to hear what little Ryder has to tell his/her mother when asked if there was a funeral for her.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 2, 2019 23:09:24 GMT
I would like to hear what little Ryder has to tell his/her mother when asked if there was a funeral for her. I presume Scott and Sara would have to say that, yes, there was a funeral because they thought she was dead. The real question would be about how Alec was able to fake it.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 2, 2019 23:29:43 GMT
I would like to hear what little Ryder has to tell his/her mother when asked if there was a funeral for her. I presume Scott and Sara would have to say that, yes, there was a funeral because they thought she was dead. The real question would be about how Alec was able to fake it. I guess that means the kids weren't at mom's side when she supposedly died. And never saw her in the casket.
I would say Alec is fortunate he's dead otherwise Ellen might kill him herself for doing what he did.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 3, 2019 0:14:44 GMT
When it comes to characters returning or getting a new protagonist, for me it depends if their story was concluded. So for example I don't think Shepard should come back since their story is finished, while I think Ryder and the Inquisitor should because their story still has some to tell.
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Post by darja on Mar 3, 2019 0:27:40 GMT
I think the next character cycle they should do is in Andromeda (or for MEA2). Have something like a Shepard clone (that they created from Shepard's DNA in ME2) that is in cryostasis aboard one of the arcs. A top secret weapon for when things in this Galaxy go to shit. Could do it sometime after MEA or a few hundred years later. They could also play in something to do with the founder of the Andromeda Initiative and the secret benefactor of the project. Maybe even have that the benefactor is actually a collective of Geth that separated like the heretics and had their own arc created to follow with the Shepard clone.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 3, 2019 18:48:01 GMT
I presume Scott and Sara would have to say that, yes, there was a funeral because they thought she was dead. The real question would be about how Alec was able to fake it. I guess that means the kids weren't at mom's side when she supposedly died. And never saw her in the casket.
I would say Alec is fortunate he's dead otherwise Ellen might kill him herself for doing what he did.
Well, of course they weren't at her side. If you're planning to fake your wife's death, smuggle her onto an Ark in cryostasis, and not tell the kids about it, you don't tell the kids that her condition's getting critical. Otherwise they might come home and complicate things. As for how he faked it, it's not like Alec and SAM would have too much trouble faking medical records. Particularly since they're leaving the MW anyway, so if he doesn't get caught right away, he never will.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 3, 2019 19:16:53 GMT
I think that Ryder was actually a good choice for a character. The point of a trilogy Bioware they clearly intended to create is not just to kill some mobs, save the day couple of times, but to grow in the process. Ryder is inexperienced, his crew does not take him or her all that serious, and the leadership of the Initiative, in spite having seriously messed up themselves, shows no respect whatsoever. Ryder often acts insecure and is not all that sure of him- or herself. But things change throughout the story. That's pretty similar to Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Star Wars. The story of an ordinary person rising to greatness. The idea behind it is to earn the respect, one doesn't just get it handed to them. If you compare the reactions of other characters, and even the way Ryder expresses, I believe you can see how Ryder develops even throughout the game. The most obvious example would be Addison, who refers to Ryder by name rather than title, but uses the title in a completely natural and even respectful fashion towards the end. Ryder is not just a pathfinder, he is the first and foremost pathfinder of the Initiative. If Andromeda were to continue, Ryder's tone and the way Ryder is perceived by others is likely to have greatly changed. Shepard was different in so far as he or she was already N7, amongst the best young agents that humanity had to offer (but about 8 to 10 years older than Ryder, not counting the time in cryostasis). Still, the theme remained the same, because the stage was different. Shepard was completely ordinary in so far as he was human. Shepard was the upstart and newcomer in so far as he represented humanity on that stage, humans were generally disrespected by the council races and had yet to prove themselves, in the person of Shepard.
In contrast, I'd find the story of a rather static character, who is king of the hill already, rather dull.
I liked Ryder I thought he/she was done well. I hope we get an Andromeda sequel with them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 3, 2019 19:41:48 GMT
I guess that means the kids weren't at mom's side when she supposedly died. And never saw her in the casket.
I would say Alec is fortunate he's dead otherwise Ellen might kill him herself for doing what he did.
Well, of course they weren't at her side. If you're planning to fake your wife's death, smuggle her onto an Ark in cryostasis, and not tell the kids about it, you don't tell the kids that her condition's getting critical. Otherwise they might come home and complicate things. As for how he faked it, it's not like Alec and SAM would have too much trouble faking medical records. Particularly since they're leaving the MW anyway, so if he doesn't get caught right away, he never will. He also could have used some sort of medication that made it look like she died when really she didn’t, like Fury in The Winter Soldier. As for the funeral that’s easy just bury/burn/etc an empty casket.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 3, 2019 20:42:02 GMT
Oj, yeah, he could have pulled it off face-to-face. But getting himself into that situation in the first place is an own-goal. With the kids, anyway; it might have been a good approach depending on how things were working in Ellen's final days, and we don't have much data on that.
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Post by dazk on Mar 10, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
I presume Scott and Sara would have to say that, yes, there was a funeral because they thought she was dead. The real question would be about how Alec was able to fake it. I guess that means the kids weren't at mom's side when she supposedly died. And never saw her in the casket.
I would say Alec is fortunate he's dead otherwise Ellen might kill him herself for doing what he did.
I just assumed she was sedated, I doubt the twins were there with stethoscopes checking etc...
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 11, 2019 22:45:43 GMT
I had to look up what you meant by a character that came out as a trans... I played through that scene, but I did not really pay attention to the detail of said character's sexuality, as it was inconsequential to me, anyway.
The last time I noted an NPC romance option try take the first step themselves in a Bioware game it was Doc towards the female Jedi Knight in Star Wars: The Old Republic. And he was pretty aggressive at it. That was strictly straight however, he only does that on a female player character.
Anyway, I agree with you that the road Mass Effect has taken is good the way it is. In the original series romance options were a little bland and predictable; in Andromeda it appears they added a bit more diversity, even though I have seen only the fewest of them. I played through it only and in that game had Sara romance Reyes. That may become very interesting, for she might meet him again. Down the barrel of a gun. I am playing a second game, though I am not in haste with it. This time I am seeing how things with Suvi goes. The initial flirt attempt was about the most embarressing approaches I've seen in a video game; but that was cool in so far as, well, embarressing things happen to young people and it's deviation from the streamlined approached. I just wish Suvi wasn't always in the bloody co-pilot seat and could have been chatted up in a more informal situation. Not so much because it only made the scene more embarrassing, but because a captain should never approach her subordinates like this. I have seen the second part of it by now and am curious how this goes on.
I realise that this is one of the scenes that is often picked when illustrating the flaws of the game, but I find that better than the previous one-size-fits-all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 11, 2019 23:41:00 GMT
This time I am seeing how things with Suvi goes. The initial flirt attempt was about the most embarressing approaches I've seen in a video game; but that was cool in so far as, well, embarressing things happen to young people and it's deviation from the streamlined approached. I just wish Suvi wasn't always in the bloody co-pilot seat and could have been chatted up in a more informal situation. Not so much because it only made the scene more embarrassing, but because a captain should never approach her subordinates like this. I have seen the second part of it by now and am curious how this goes on. My favorite romance in all the Mass Effect games and a close third in romances overall. As for more informal scenes, there are a couple later in the romance.
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 12, 2019 8:25:57 GMT
One thing that I wonder, now that I think about it. Assuming that Kallo, as the pilot, has the pilot seat and Suvi, as the science officer and only other person in the cockpit, the co-pilot seat... is the Tempest a British star ship? Do you have to fly on the left site when there is traffic at the Nexus' main hangar?
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