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Post by cmdrshep2183 on May 7, 2018 16:45:14 GMT
Would the spaceship crew be younger or older? Would the Reapers still be the threat or be replaced by something else? Would it be darker or more optimistic?
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Post by natetrace on May 7, 2018 16:53:29 GMT
Well, this is kind of what Andromeda is. Young crew, new threat, more optimistic. Other than maybe a game set prior to the reaper war or a game set during the war I don't see a reason to reboot the original trilogy.
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Post by guanxi on May 7, 2018 17:32:50 GMT
All of these things need to be in balance that was the problem with MEA - it skewed too heavily on the lighter side catering towards a younger demographic and alienated people with taste. It repackaged far too many elements from the old games crudely and without much nuance or wit in place of the original ideas & characters it didn't have. Any reboot that attempts to re-tread the past in the same vein will fail in exactly the same way.
No matter what direction they go the only way it will succeed is if it's characters and the scenarios, & environments they find themselves in are memorable, and relatable without being mundane. The series lives and dies on the strength of it's characterization and was at it's best when there was a genuine fear of death for loved ones which gave meaning and consequence to our choices. They'll never top Shepard, & the Normandy or the Reapers so if I was going to reboot the series I'd go with a story you could have never done with the old cast, something along the lines of an Anti-hero story involving a merc gang in the traverse centered around piracy where the "good guys" are the bad guys and really set out to really test the player's notions of morality in a way in which the old games could never have done. Move away from the notion of an established BioWare character where the player can only influence tonally and give the player genuine freedom to role play themselves outside of the constraints of the trilogy.
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Post by helios969 on May 7, 2018 17:56:29 GMT
If I can get a Sharon Valerie romance option I’m good:)
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Post by alanc9 on May 7, 2018 18:06:36 GMT
Alienated people with taste?
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Post by guanxi on May 7, 2018 18:23:28 GMT
Alienated people with taste? Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 7, 2018 18:31:03 GMT
The games are kinda old now, but not that old, and not so dated that they'd be the equivalent of an early years Zelda game by today's standards. I'd rather their efforts go toward something entirely new, not just spiffying up bits of the past and calling it such.
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Post by natetrace on May 7, 2018 18:44:27 GMT
Alienated people with taste? Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Lol with taste. I think I have the answer: I think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Last of Us, Logan, God if War. Mass Effect 4: Shepdad. Female Shepard too just give her a beard and a kid.
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Post by guanxi on May 7, 2018 18:53:25 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Lol with taste. I think I have the answer: I think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Last of Us, Logan, God if War. Mass Effect 4: Shepdad. Female Shepard too just give her a beard and a kid. I'd probably dig some Dad Effect if the kid was an Asari, of course.
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Post by griffith82 on May 7, 2018 18:54:18 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Lol with taste. I think I have the answer: I think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Last of Us, Logan, God if War. Mass Effect 4: Shepdad. Female Shepard too just give her a beard and a kid.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 7, 2018 20:09:25 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Lol with taste. I think I have the answer: I think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Last of Us, Logan, God if War. Mass Effect 4: Shepdad. Female Shepard too just give her a beard and a kid.
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Post by alanc9 on May 7, 2018 20:14:24 GMT
Alienated people with taste? Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. I don't quite see how the "neutered young adult" thing works. You mean you need a darker tone? This doesn't have anything to do with the age of the protagonist, right?
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Post by guanxi on May 7, 2018 20:48:34 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. I don't quite see how the "neutered young adult" thing works. You mean you need a darker tone? This doesn't have anything to do with the age of the protagonist, right? The heavy-handed cheesy coming of age writing, replete with youthful kooky characters, and Saturday morning cartoon villain felt decidedly like self conscious decision to target a younger demo in the midst of an identity crisis. I've never seen a more clear example of a this is what 30-somethings think the kids are like these days game and clearly most gamers were turned off by what they saw.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 7, 2018 21:29:07 GMT
I wish more Saturday morning cartoon villains had their victims eviscerated.
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Post by guanxi on May 7, 2018 22:17:13 GMT
I wish more Saturday morning cartoon villains had their victims eviscerated. Just about every shit kids villain wants some form of world domination for ill defined ridiculous reasons.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2018 3:31:52 GMT
think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Not interested. If I chose Synthesis (which I wouldn't) Shepard is as dead as they come. Control makes Shepard a giant killer robot. Refuse would just have the Reapers rolling in to destroy the Crucible with Shepard on board. Destroy has some possibilities but even then there are no guarantees that Shepard survives. Besides, what if I love playing FemShep? Should she also get a beard?
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Post by natetrace on May 8, 2018 4:16:34 GMT
think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Not interested. If I chose Synthesis (which I wouldn't) Shepard is as dead as they come. Control makes Shepard a giant killer robot. Refuse would just have the Reapers rolling in to destroy the Crucible with Shepard on board. Destroy has some possibilities but even then there are no guarantees that Shepard survives. Besides, what if I love playing FemShep? Should she also get a beard? Sure! Give her some scruff. I am being a bit facetious of course... I support a sequel set in Andromeda before fleshing out the Milky way. Hell at this point they can do what they want. So much doom and gloom! I don't think a retelling of Shepard is necessary, but there are still reboots and more stories everywhere. We could unlock tech from a new Andromeda race that lets us travel faster. In the Milky Way, perhaps the Oravores never died out and are hidden away in a pocket solar system, hidden from everyone. We could infiltrate a reaper conversion camp. They could set a post ME3 game 100 years later, and explain away the endings easily. Anything can be written. So while I don't think the OT needs touched, I do see ways of telling other stories.
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Post by Sanunes on May 8, 2018 10:55:19 GMT
I think it would be a mistake to reboot. If they do go back and redo the Shepard timeline I would like it to have nothing to do with the first three games aside from meta knowledge to talk about what happened with Shepard. I just cannot see Mass Effect going back for a reboot to work in any fashion in the ways that I am getting from the posts around here. There is too many places where it can go horribly wrong if they try and stick too close to the first trilogy.
I remember the backlash with the changes they made to Battlestar to update it for a modern audience, I really think it would make any BioWare backlash we have seen so far be minor if they aren't able to do a 100% recreation of the first games and I don't see how that would be possible with how games never really get released as they were designed for things always seem to be changed or removed.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2018 12:51:24 GMT
I think it would be a mistake to reboot. If they do go back and redo the Shepard timeline I would like it to have nothing to do with the first three games aside from meta knowledge to talk about what happened with Shepard. I just cannot see Mass Effect going back for a reboot to work in any fashion in the ways that I am getting from the posts around here. There is too many places where it can go horribly wrong if they try and stick too close to the first trilogy. I remember the backlash with the changes they made to Battlestar to update it for a modern audience, I really think it would make any BioWare backlash we have seen so far be minor if they aren't able to do a 100% recreation of the first games and I don't see how that would be possible with how games never really get released as they were designed for things always seem to be changed or removed. I'm not keen on the parallel storyline, mainly because it really limits what the story could even be about, and then always leaves the trilogy ending hanging over it. I think Shepard's story made the galaxy ridiculously smaller in the end, despite how little of the galaxy we've actually seen. I'd much rather just move on. Bad enough that the Star Trek franchise is stuck in a horrible time loop with no hope of escape.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 8, 2018 13:21:53 GMT
Already "Rebooted" in Andromeda, and lets continue from there. We can then later on have milkyway stories and such. "taste" ... come on! thats.. oh man, okay, I'll leave it be.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 14:54:59 GMT
These ideas could work for ME-4 or MEA II.
Perhaps ME-4 would take Shepard (or a new Alliance protagonist) into the galaxy beyond the Omega 4 Relay, after the Reaper War. The crew needs to rescue a race that had been trapped there, or intercede to stop a war - interacting with both sides. For the Paragon he/she would find a peaceful resolution, while the Renegade would deceive one faction and become the supreme dictator in this galaxy quadrant. Just speculating.
For the child's personality, for example, I really enjoy the precocious character of Cassie, the 12 y.o. daughter of Nathan Drake and Elena at the end of Uncharted 4. Cassie's inquisitive nature is so much fun and cleverly written (represents a true 12 y.o.). See the video clip below.
What I really want to see is substantive character development dialog included during the missions and several assignments, and not just onboard a ship/station. I'd also like to see squad mates who search out the protagonist at various locations to have a conversation, and not simply wait for the protagonist to find them. For example, a scene where Shepard steps into the ship's elevator and a squad mate enters the elevator to share the ride, to have a private conversation with them.
Cassie in Uncharted 4, Epilogue scene. Notice Cassie's hair movement:
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Post by alanc9 on May 8, 2018 16:02:10 GMT
I remember the backlash with the changes they made to Battlestar to update it for a modern audience, I really think it would make any BioWare backlash we have seen so far be minor if they aren't able to do a 100% recreation of the first games and I don't see how that would be possible with how games never really get released as they were designed for things always seem to be changed or removed. But the BSG reboot worked, didn't it? Sure, there were some whiny fans of the old series around, but whiny fans are always with us.
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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2018 16:34:23 GMT
These ideas could work for ME-4 or MEA II. Perhaps ME-4 would take Shepard into the galaxy beyond the Omega 4 Relay, after the Reaper War. The crew needs to rescue a race that had been trapped there, or intercede to stop a war - interacting with both sides. For the Paragon he/she would find a peaceful resolution, while the Renegade would deceive one faction and become the supreme dictator in this galaxy quadrant. Just speculating. Not bad. I would be curious how they learned about a species that is trapped beyond the relay. Here's something I posted that could work.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2018 16:48:21 GMT
I remember the backlash with the changes they made to Battlestar to update it for a modern audience, I really think it would make any BioWare backlash we have seen so far be minor if they aren't able to do a 100% recreation of the first games and I don't see how that would be possible with how games never really get released as they were designed for things always seem to be changed or removed. But the BSG reboot worked, didn't it? Sure, there were some whiny fans of the old series around, but whiny fans are always with us. Yeah I dunno if "backlash" is even the right word to use here, unless there really were that many people clamoring to relive the grand cheesefest of the original.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 8, 2018 17:41:06 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Lol with taste. I think I have the answer: I think we should all admit if they made ME4, it stars Shepard, they give him a beard and a son or daughter, then it'd just win everything. Last of Us, Logan, God if War. Mass Effect 4: Shepdad. Female Shepard too just give her a beard and a kid. Then call it Boi! Effect: Shepard's Boi! In it Shepard only says 3 lines of dialogue: Boi! Come here, boi! Read that, Boi! As we find out later in game though the boy, that Space Magic Battery that Shepard used in ME3 fried Shepard's brain.
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