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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 2:57:34 GMT
BG II, Anomen Delryn, Jaheira, Viconia Devir and Aerie NWN OC: Airbeth, Aarin Gend, HotU: Aribeth, Nathyrra, Valen Shadowbreath KotOR, Bastila Shan, Carth Onasi, also remnants of the Juhani romance Jade Empire, Skye, Dawn Star and Silk Fox ME1 Ashley Williams, Kaden Alenko and Liara ME2 Tail, Garrus, Thane, Jacob, Maraindia ME3 Tail, Garrus, Kaden, Ashley, Liara DA:O Alistair. Leliana, Zeveran and Morrgain DA2 Anders, Isabela, Fenris, Merrill and Sebastian Vael DA:I Iron Bull, Blackwall, Cullen, Cassandra Pentaghast, Josephine Montilyet, Sera and Dorian ME:A Avela Kjar, Cora Harper, Gil Brodie, Liam Kosta, Suvi Anwar, Pelessaria B'Sayle(PeeBee), Jaal Ama Darav, Vetra Nyx, Reyes Vidal and Keri T'Vessa Phew! Whoa, your memory is impressive.
One tiny omission: Jack in ME2-3
Valen Shadowbreath was my first "requited" pixel crush, but Alistair was the first video game character I had a pathologic attachment to. Not the last, though. Thanks I also forgot Steve Cortez from ME3 and I didn't list the SWTOR romances either
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 11, 2018 3:32:14 GMT
I'm trying to figure out at what point romances became a big thing in Bioware games. Sure it was a part of BG2 but nobody paid that much attention to it, it was just an unexpected piece of content in a content rich game. I'm pretty sure people weren't too fussed about it in KOTOR, so ... Origins? ME? Started (as 'big thing' imo) KOTOR/JE, important by ME/DAO, fandoms around it by ME2/DA2, expanded ME3/DAI.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 11, 2018 3:34:05 GMT
I'm trying to figure out at what point romances became a big thing in Bioware games. Sure it was a part of BG2 but nobody paid that much attention to it, it was just an unexpected piece of content in a content rich game. I'm pretty sure people weren't too fussed about it in KOTOR, so ... Origins? ME? BG II, Anomen Delryn, Jaheira, Viconia Devir and Aerie NWN OC: Airbeth, Aarin Gend, HotU: Aribeth, Nathyrra, Valen Shadowbreath KotOR, Bastila Shan, Carth Onasi, also remnants of the Juhani romance Jade Empire, Skye, Dawn Star and Silk Fox ME1 Ashley Williams, Kaden Alenko and Liara ME2 Tail, Garrus, Thane, Jacob, Maraindia ME3 Tail, Garrus, Kaden, Ashley, Liara DA:O Alistair. Leliana, Zeveran and Morrgain DA2 Anders, Isabela, Fenris, Merrill and Sebastian Vael DA:I Iron Bull, Blackwall, Cullen, Cassandra Pentaghast, Josephine Montilyet, Sera and Dorian ME:A Avela Kjar, Cora Harper, Gil Brodie, Liam Kosta, Suvi Anwar, Pelessaria B'Sayle(PeeBee), Jaal Ama Darav, Vetra Nyx, Reyes Vidal and Keri T'Vessa Phew! You're missing many there. Example: ME3: (Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Thane, Tali, Garrus), Steve, Samantha, others smaller
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Post by biggydx on Jun 11, 2018 3:42:41 GMT
I never expected this to be the typical Bioware game, and the sooner people come to grips with that the better off everyone will be. Romances were never going to draw me into the game, nor were companions. If Bioware can deliver a good story with solid characters, cool. But this game marks a departure for them, and will likely have most of its merits based off how fun the gameplay is; rather than the strength of its story.
People still have the next Dragon Age to look forward to, and it's probably best they take all the time they need for that game, as it'll have a lot to live up to.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 11, 2018 4:56:55 GMT
I’ve played a lot of RPGs over the years that lacked romances and loved them. This was never going to be a dealbreaker for me. I more interested in hearing more about how the story will be handled. This. When the hell did a romance in these games become integral to Bioware's identity I got to ask? It's been around since baldurs gate 2 but now it's always expected? Because it's in all of their games I liked it better when it's a back of the box feature. At least then, the romances can be justified as to what they were, an extra.
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Post by smoolio on Jun 11, 2018 5:06:28 GMT
As long as they don't have the story invalidate ones own sexuality, should be all good. Like if the player character unavoidably flirts with someone that would take some personal agency away.
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Post by ivymorosa on Jun 11, 2018 5:17:41 GMT
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 11, 2018 5:42:16 GMT
I’ve played a lot of RPGs over the years that lacked romances and loved them. This was never going to be a dealbreaker for me. I more interested in hearing more about how the story will be handled. This. When the hell did a romance in these games become integral to Bioware's identity I got to ask? It's been around since baldurs gate 2 but now it's always expected? Because it's in all of their games I liked it better when it's a back of the box feature. At least then, the romances can be justified as to what they were, an extra. I agree and from some comments I read over the years it sounds like it was only done to give the fans what they want, so in some regards we are not any better then EA because the fans are driving what BioWare was putting into their games because people keep saying how important the money they give them is. My opinion on romances has been pretty much the same for years, do it for the associated achievement and then never again. I was a steady follower of David Gaider's blog and when he talked about romances I think he was done with them after the "Playersexual" player comments after Dragon Age 2, for he stated that he felt obligated to include them.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 11, 2018 8:22:21 GMT
This. When the hell did a romance in these games become integral to Bioware's identity I got to ask? It's been around since baldurs gate 2 but now it's always expected? Because it's in all of their games I liked it better when it's a back of the box feature. At least then, the romances can be justified as to what they were, an extra. I agree and from some comments I read over the years it sounds like it was only done to give the fans what they want, so in some regards we are not any better then EA because the fans are driving what BioWare was putting into their games because people keep saying how important the money they give them is. My opinion on romances has been pretty much the same for years, do it for the associated achievement and then never again. I was a steady follower of David Gaider's blog and when he talked about romances I think he was done with them after the "Playersexual" player comments after Dragon Age 2, for he stated that he felt obligated to include them. I'm not familiar with that, but I've long been an advocate of doing it as a way to minimize the resource drain. I'm kind of glad they made the decision to not include them...might serve as a wake up call to that (obsessive) segment of the fanbase. I think they're great for added replay value but I'd guess I do them maybe a third of the time...and I certainly don't want them if it means diminishing the overall story and the depth of the world.
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Post by christsuperstar on Jun 11, 2018 8:55:51 GMT
Romances should only be there, if they want it to be - I like romances in games, but they should be well made and not just feel like everyone wants to get in my pants and a checklist. I kinda liked the BG2 approach, where some felt more meaningful and deeper - for the male hero at least - the 18 yo me never tried the female options. Also had a soft spot for the Bastila one in KOTOR, and when she was napped I was like "nooo", and "im'a gon save ya". Nowadays, gaming has "gone too far" on the clarity/availability on romances, and even the "difficulty" of the game. I mean, there's no excitement at all when all you gotta do is pick the "heart shape" in dialogues to get steamy sexy time, and coupled with the fact, that you can no longer "lose" these games, makes it a pretty "meh" experience. I'd love it, if success in a game depended on your actions, and if sidequests have to be involved, have them be a chain, that ends up tying into/impacting the main story (and not the crap filler we got in DA2, DA:I and ME:A), and if you chose to do a bare minimum, you can actually die and lose as the ending - kinda like ME2.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 11, 2018 12:25:36 GMT
I agree and from some comments I read over the years it sounds like it was only done to give the fans what they want, so in some regards we are not any better then EA because the fans are driving what BioWare was putting into their games because people keep saying how important the money they give them is. My opinion on romances has been pretty much the same for years, do it for the associated achievement and then never again. I was a steady follower of David Gaider's blog and when he talked about romances I think he was done with them after the "Playersexual" player comments after Dragon Age 2, for he stated that he felt obligated to include them. I'm not familiar with that, but I've long been an advocate of doing it as a way to minimize the resource drain. I'm kind of glad they made the decision to not include them...might serve as a wake up call to that (obsessive) segment of the fanbase. I think they're great for added replay value but I'd guess I do them maybe a third of the time...and I certainly don't want them if it means diminishing the overall story and the depth of the world. Reminds me of an exchange with a friend just after the E3 announcement where the question among my friends was wondering if this might have been impacted by the facial animation fiasco around Mass Effect: Andromeda. There would be a lot of custom animation work for a romance to prevent clipping and other problems while being mostly a one time only event. I just looked it up and there are ten different characters that can be romances in Mass Effect: Andromeda and some of those can be romanced by both male and female versions of Ryder. While there were comments about the romance segments being the best animations in the game.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 11, 2018 12:50:17 GMT
I'm not that invested in romances that it's gonna be a deciding factor in whether or not I get games. I don't wanna give devs the idea that any degree of virtual smooching is gonna = a buy. That kinda mentality leads to Obsidian's recent addition to the gaming romance canon.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 12:59:40 GMT
I’ve never had any intention of buying it and unless they come up and say that they’ve been lying this whole time to prank us and that the real Anthem is an amazing single player story based game with deep characters and romance and etc, then I still have no intention of buying it lol.
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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 11, 2018 14:23:23 GMT
I’ve never had any intention of buying it and unless they come up and say that they’ve been lying this whole time to prank us and that the real Anthem is an amazing single player story based game with deep characters and romance and etc, then I still have no intention of buying it lol. And I suspect that Bioware is just fine with that. You're not the target audience. I am. I've played the hell out of every Bioware RPG since Baldur's Gate, except for the DA games (I lost my taste for fantasy). I also have about 2400 hours in The Division, and Destiny 2 is at 500 hours and rising. Anthem is pretty much tailor made for people like me. I get a story, I get characters, I can run missions with my friends and I get to blow a ton of shit up. As long as they have a decent end-game loop, I see a winner.
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Post by turianlannister on Jun 11, 2018 21:03:15 GMT
Whoa, your memory is impressive.
One tiny omission: Jack in ME2-3
Valen Shadowbreath was my first "requited" pixel crush, but Alistair was the first video game character I had a pathologic attachment to. Not the last, though. Thanks I also forgot Steve Cortez from ME3 and I didn't list the SWTOR romances either Miranda and Thane were also romances in ME3, you didn't get an achievement for Thane since he croaks, not sure about Miranda and Jack.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 11, 2018 21:28:26 GMT
I'm not familiar with that, but I've long been an advocate of doing it as a way to minimize the resource drain. I'm kind of glad they made the decision to not include them...might serve as a wake up call to that (obsessive) segment of the fanbase. I think they're great for added replay value but I'd guess I do them maybe a third of the time...and I certainly don't want them if it means diminishing the overall story and the depth of the world. Reminds me of an exchange with a friend just after the E3 announcement where the question among my friends was wondering if this might have been impacted by the facial animation fiasco around Mass Effect: Andromeda. There would be a lot of custom animation work for a romance to prevent clipping and other problems while being mostly a one time only event. I just looked it up and there are ten different characters that can be romances in Mass Effect: Andromeda and some of those can be romanced by both male and female versions of Ryder. While there were comments about the romance segments being the best animations in the game. Yeah, if it were me in charge I'd mandate 90% of the game be done and in working order before romance stuff got worked on. Then probably limit it to 2 of each gender and make them playersexual (it's a RPG for crying out loud, so go ahead and RP that).
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 21:42:28 GMT
I’ve played a lot of RPGs over the years that lacked romances and loved them. This was never going to be a dealbreaker for me. I more interested in hearing more about how the story will be handled. This. When the hell did a romance in these games become integral to Bioware's identity I got to ask? It's been around since baldurs gate 2 but now it's always expected? Because it's in all of their games I liked it better when it's a back of the box feature. At least then, the romances can be justified as to what they were, an extra. It's not. But I consider it a "canary in a coal mine"
If Bioware's willing to cast aside one of its most famous features, what else have they cut away that they haven't told us about yet?
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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 11, 2018 21:51:18 GMT
This. When the hell did a romance in these games become integral to Bioware's identity I got to ask? It's been around since baldurs gate 2 but now it's always expected? Because it's in all of their games I liked it better when it's a back of the box feature. At least then, the romances can be justified as to what they were, an extra. It's not. But I consider it a "canary in a coal mine"
If Bioware's willing to cast aside one of its most famous features, what else have they cut away that they haven't told us about yet?
According to Bioware, Anthem has a fairly deep story with meaningful (but not romantic) relationships with NPCs. It's also not single-player-focused. So, given that, what do you think they've cut out without telling anyone?
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Post by helios969 on Jun 11, 2018 21:55:13 GMT
I'm trying to figure out at what point romances became a big thing in Bioware games. Sure it was a part of BG2 but nobody paid that much attention to it, it was just an unexpected piece of content in a content rich game. I'm pretty sure people weren't too fussed about it in KOTOR, so ... Origins? ME? Started (as 'big thing' imo) KOTOR/JE, important by ME/DAO, fandoms around it by ME2/DA2, expanded ME3/DAI. And no matter how much additional said content they add people still whine incessantly. Maybe Bioware should just create a romance sim game that includes a brief cutscene showing your character going out for a mission immediately followed by one of them returning so they can get back to sexy time. Ugh! Forget I said anything.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 22:09:51 GMT
I’ve never had any intention of buying it and unless they come up and say that they’ve been lying this whole time to prank us and that the real Anthem is an amazing single player story based game with deep characters and romance and etc, then I still have no intention of buying it lol. And I suspect that Bioware is just fine with that. You're not the target audience. I am. I've played the hell out of every Bioware RPG since Baldur's Gate, except for the DA games (I lost my taste for fantasy). I also have about 2400 hours in The Division, and Destiny 2 is at 500 hours and rising. Anthem is pretty much tailor made for people like me. I get a story, I get characters, I can run missions with my friends and I get to blow a ton of shit up. As long as they have a decent end-game loop, I see a winner. You probably mean well but you sound a bit like the MEA fans and look how that turned out... that game was such a big success right...
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 11, 2018 22:12:36 GMT
I find it bit ironic that of all games Assassin's Creed adds choosable romances (and adds dialogue choice for the first time) while BioWare known for it gets rid of it (i'm aware that dialogue choice exists) for Anthem; it's not a deal breaker for Anthem, but it is ironic.
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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 11, 2018 22:13:59 GMT
And I suspect that Bioware is just fine with that. You're not the target audience. I am. I've played the hell out of every Bioware RPG since Baldur's Gate, except for the DA games (I lost my taste for fantasy). I also have about 2400 hours in The Division, and Destiny 2 is at 500 hours and rising. Anthem is pretty much tailor made for people like me. I get a story, I get characters, I can run missions with my friends and I get to blow a ton of shit up. As long as they have a decent end-game loop, I see a winner. You probably mean well but you sound a bit like the MEA fans and look how that turned out... that game was such a big success right... I'm a little confused on how I sound like a MEA fan. Are MEA fans big on co-op multiplayer? Would you care to elaborate? As far as "meaning well", I congratulate you on your ability to sound as condescending as hell, though you probably mean well.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 11, 2018 22:21:46 GMT
And I suspect that Bioware is just fine with that. You're not the target audience. I am. I've played the hell out of every Bioware RPG since Baldur's Gate, except for the DA games (I lost my taste for fantasy). I also have about 2400 hours in The Division, and Destiny 2 is at 500 hours and rising. Anthem is pretty much tailor made for people like me. I get a story, I get characters, I can run missions with my friends and I get to blow a ton of shit up. As long as they have a decent end-game loop, I see a winner. You probably mean well but you sound a bit like the MEA fans and look how that turned out... that game was such a big success right... What is it with fandoms now that liking things is a bad thing?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 11, 2018 22:23:24 GMT
You probably mean well but you sound a bit like the MEA fans and look how that turned out... that game was such a big success right... Which is not really addressing tjmitchem 's point, it's trying to divert the conversation into a misinformed consensus that MEA was shit and the people who disagree are naive fools. tjmitchem is exactly the sort of BioWare customer distanced from those who wail (and granted they have a right to do so) about everything being better when there were hardercore RPGs like KOTOR and Mass Effect (1).
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 11, 2018 22:29:42 GMT
You probably mean well but you sound a bit like the MEA fans and look how that turned out... that game was such a big success right... I'm a little confused on how I sound like a MEA fan. Are MEA fans big on co-op multiplayer? Would you care to elaborate? As far as "meaning well", I congratulate you on your ability to sound as condescending as hell, though you probably mean well. Mea fans loved mea and defended it to death but mea flopped, there: Elaborated. Easy there pal, noones looking down at ya. Feeling a little macho are we?
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